Is offering Shawn Porter $1 million an insult ?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Duplicate thread.

"Shawn Porter Wants Terence Crawford Fight, But Arum Won’t Budge On His $1 Million Offer"

Shawn Porter received $1.2m for the Sebastian Formella fight. More people usually tune in to see Showtime's bouts than those that watch Bud compete on ESPN.

And let's not forget that Kell Brook (a weight-drained opponent that hadn't defeated a universally recognised top-ten world-rated fighter for more than 6½ years & hadn't won single a bout at 147lbs for 4½ years) was rewarded with a $2m payday for his willingness to engage in last November's mismatch against Terence Crawford.

End of thread.

ESPM figures are much better than Showtime actually..

You can't say 'more people usually'.. No facts to back it up this time?

[Enlightened-One]

Duplicate thread.

"Shawn Porter Wants Terence Crawford Fight, But Arum Won’t Budge On His $1 Million Offer"

Shawn Porter received $1.2m for the Sebastian Formella fight. More people USUALLY tune in to see Showtime's bouts than those that watch Bud compete on ESPN.

And let's not forget that Kell Brook (a weight-drained opponent that hadn't defeated a universally recognised top-ten world-rated fighter for more than 6½ years & hadn't won single a bout at 147lbs for 4½ years) was rewarded with a $2m payday for his willingness to engage in last November's mismatch against Terence Crawford.

End of thread.

ESPM figures are much better than Showtime actually..

You can't say 'more people usually'.. No facts to back it up this time?

I was clearly talking about "Showtime" Shawn Porter, not the Showtime network, because the topic of this thread is... "Is offering Shawn Porter $1 million an insult?"

You just quoted a link to thread that listed Shawn Porter's viewing figures on the same landing page.

Why didn't you bother to read them? And why pretend I didn't backup my claims with facts, when all you needed to do was left mouse-click?

The audience figures for several Shawn Porter bouts at welterweight:

• Porter-Formella peaked at 1.225m and averaged 1.077m viewers.

• Porter-Ugas peaked at 2.197m and averaged 2.142m viewers.

• Porter-Spence Jr. generated 300K PPV buys.

• Porter-Thurman peaked at 3.94m and averaged 2.4m viewers.

• Porter-Broner peaked at 3m and averaged 2.33m viewers.

The audience figures and Bud’s purses for several Terence Crawford bouts at welterweight:

• Crawford-Brook peaked at 2.078m and averaged 2.029m viewers (Bud’s purse was $4m).

• Crawford-Kavaliasuskas fight peaked 1.512m viewers and averaged 1.481m viewers (Bud’s purse was $4m).

• Crawford-Khan generated 150K PPV buys (Bud’s purse was $5.5m).

• Crawford-Benavidez peaked at 2.708m and averaged 2.245m viewers (Bud’s purse was $3.625m).

You need to refrain from having a knee-jerk compulsion to criticise every word I say, because some of the facts I cite were sourced by articles you regularly post to the forum.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Since Porter-Thurman, which was 5 years ago.. The figures haven't been that fight.. He's been on par or slightly lower than Crawford.

Duplicate thread.

"Shawn Porter Wants Terence Crawford Fight, But Arum Won’t Budge On His $1 Million Offer"

Shawn Porter received $1.2m for the Sebastian Formella fight. More people usually tune in to see Showtime's bouts than those that watch Bud compete on ESPN.

And let's not forget that Kell Brook (a weight-drained opponent that hadn't defeated a universally recognised top-ten world-rated fighter for more than 6½ years & hadn't won single a bout at 147lbs for 4½ years) was rewarded with a $2m payday for his willingness to engage in last November's mismatch against Terence Crawford.

End of thread.

ESPM figures are much better than Showtime actually..

You can't say 'more people usually'.. No facts to back it up this time?

I was clearly talking about "Showtime" Shawn Porter, not the Showtime network, because the topic of this thread is... "Is offering Shawn Porter $1 million an insult?"

Don't see why you're always using alias'..

[Enlightened-One]

Since Porter-Thurman, which was 5 years ago. The figures haven't been that fight.. He's been on par or slightly lower than Crawford.

In 2019, Shawn Porter generated more PPV buys than Crawford did (i.e. 300K vs. 150K). And he also generated more non-PPV views during the same calendar year (i.e. peaks: 2.197m vs. 1.512m).

Shawn Porter received $1.2m for the Sebastian Formella fight.

And let's not forget that Kell Brook (a weight-drained opponent that hadn't defeated a universally recognised top-ten world-rated fighter for more than 6½ years & hadn't won single a bout at 147lbs for 4½ years) was rewarded with a $2m payday for his willingness to engage in last November's mismatch against Terence Crawford.

Don't see why you're always using alias'..

Because it's poor grammar to persistently repeat the same terminology/names within the same sentence or a short paragraph.

And fighter's have nickname's for a reason, don't they? So why not use them?

Why don't you just admit you had this automatic knee-jerk compulsion to criticise my words, without bothering to read them properly?

You didn't realise I was referring to Shawn Porter when I mentioned viewing figures. Even though he's the topic of this thread.

And you even pretended I didn't have any facts to back up my claims, despite you quoting my post that contained a hyperlink to a separate thread listing factually-accurate viewing figures on the same landing page, based on numbers you had previously supplied the forum with.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Now he rejected $2m.



"I understand the business of boxing at this point, and to even begin negotiations at $2 million is an insult, and everybody in the sport of boxing knows the welterweight division is the hottest division in boxing,” said Shawn Porter.

[Enlightened-One]

Let’s not forget that Kell Brook (a weight-drained opponent that hadn't defeated a universally recognised top-ten world-rated fighter for more than 6½ years & hadn't won single a bout at 147lbs for 4½ years) was rewarded with a $2m payday for his willingness to engage in last November's mismatch against Terence Crawford.

And it’s abundantly clear that Shawn Porter's commercial worth is far greater than the November 2020 iteration of Kell Brook.

In 2019, Shawn Porter helped generate more PPV buys than Crawford did (i.e. 300K vs. 150K). And he also generated more non-PPV views during the same calendar year (i.e. peaks: 2.197m vs. 1.512m).

Terence Crawford's average guaranteed minimum purse per bout for his last five outings equates to slightly more than $4m. The mathematical average payday his opponents received for those bouts equates to $2.05m.

And anyone with a modicum of intellect shouldn’t argue that Shawn Porter deserves to be paid significantly less to fight Terence Crawford than the sum he received for the Errol Spence Jr. fight (when commission from PPV revenue is added to the guaranteed minimum purse).

Shawn Porter deserves more than $2m (in total) for the Crawford fight. And it's good to see Top Rank increase their offer, because the original $1m sum they offered was a complete disgrace! At least Arum is going in the right direction.

[gilgamesh]

Porter was offered 2 Million now, and turned that down as well.

I don't care if he ever gets another big fight.

[Bard of Boxrec]

How do you turn down 2m and then retain credibility in future negotiations . He’s obviously going to have to take a fight for a lot less than that in future when it becomes abundantly clear he’s not worth it.

[bobcatbox]

How do you turn down 2m and then retain credibility in future negotiations . He’s obviously going to have to take a fight for a lot less than that in future when it becomes abundantly clear he’s not worth it.

They don't call him Shawn "Money" [showtime] Porter for nothing.

He is ridiculous for turning down 2m, and the PBC is ridiculous for paying him 1m to fight some Euro kid.

[margaret thatcher]

I mean, I kinda get where he's' coming from. he can basically make 1m or a bit more to fight pretty much anyone. and he's' made like 3m when fighting other top wws like garcia and spence.

so, for a fight he'd probably lose, holding out for something bigger than 2m is fair


i remember dudes blasting kov for not taking 6m vs canelo.....then he held out and got like 12m. ggg held out on a 10m offer and got like 2x-3x that. wilder didnt fight aj for 10-15m and ended up making around that for ort and breazeale, and more for fury

[lazboy]

I'm shocked that Broner got 13 million (if that's true).

[margaret thatcher]

i have a hard time believing him on that one

[lazboy]

AB - About Bullshit

[Onetimeonly]

I'm shocked that Broner got 13 million (if that's true).

No way he's ever made half that for 2 fights.

[lazboy]

I'm shocked that Broner got 13 million (if that's true).

No way he's ever made half that for 2 fights.

Bit silly of me to consider that a legitimate comment from AB...

[Evander]

Broner could have easily made 7-8 during his career clean.
Why are they sweating Shawn Porter for 2.5 ... 3 ?

[Ruthless-RKO]

i have a hard time believing him on that one

He probably meant they gambled on a win or something.

[Bandog]

If Arum/Crawford can afford $5 million to a past it Amir Khan, they can afford that for Porter. To me $1 million is an "I don't want to fight you offer". Khan isn't 5 times the draw as Porter is.