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mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 04:53

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑14 Feb 2021, 15:59 froch's chin was obviously very good, but he was down a couple times and hurt a couple more at 168. he wasnt a total undentable iron man and part of what he had that made him so tough was recovery and the will to fight through adversities

eubank was that slight bit tougher to hurt in the first place though


the highest level is the one where the guys arent even going down and dont even need to show much recovery, like provodnikov, wach, chuvalo, mccall, ggg etc

The Groves knockdown was a fight ending shot. Everyone who’s been in with George says his power is frightening. Murray said much harder than GGG. Callum Smith said them just whistling past his ears was enough. The Froch knockdown was full power with Carl walking on to it.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 05:39 Actually, looking at Groves record, i'd say he never scored a notably big ko over anyone euro level or above. Never visibly bothered Jack or Degale or Eubank with his power, absolutely pounded on Murray and Gutenecht and Chudinov round after round but couldnt put any of them down, couldnt put Callum down or discourage him

In fact, a fighter of Froch's level and durability going down is rather anomalous considering none of these guys did, but hey it happens in boxing

Aside from Froch, who is the best fighter George has had down? You'd really expect something more from a 'massive' puncher who lands a lot of clean shots. tbh i wonder now if the froch fight flatters gg's power a bit. maybe just got cold and overconfident walking into a shot

dookus wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 05:55

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 05:39 Actually, looking at Groves record, i'd say he never scored a notably big ko over anyone euro level or above. Never visibly bothered Jack or Degale or Eubank with his power, absolutely pounded on Murray and Gutenecht and Chudinov round after round but couldnt put any of them down, couldnt put Callum down or discourage him

In fact, a fighter of Froch's level and durability going down is rather anomalous considering none of these guys did, but hey it happens in boxing

Aside from Froch, who is the best fighter George has had down? You'd really expect something more from a 'massive' puncher who lands a lot of clean shots. tbh i wonder now if the froch fight flatters gg's power a bit. maybe just got cold and overconfident walking into a shot

Groves should have had two knockdowns counted against Eubank Jr. Chidunov was clearly well out on his feet at the stoppage (and for the previous 20 seconds) and nobody else has looked like stopping him.

Jack is an odd one - yes, he did have that 1st-round stoppage to an unknown. Has never looked remotely that fragile since. Probably caught cold.

bigjack wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 05:08 Both extremely tough fighters,the one thing that sepertaes them is Eubank was hit by a huge punching cruiserweight and stood up,Froch can't say the same,although it's very likely he could have but we'll never know.

mickey1975 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 05:27 Didn’t Chris go over 3 times at 12st.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 06:02

dookus wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 05:55

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 05:39 Actually, looking at Groves record, i'd say he never scored a notably big ko over anyone euro level or above. Never visibly bothered Jack or Degale or Eubank with his power, absolutely pounded on Murray and Gutenecht and Chudinov round after round but couldnt put any of them down, couldnt put Callum down or discourage him

In fact, a fighter of Froch's level and durability going down is rather anomalous considering none of these guys did, but hey it happens in boxing

Aside from Froch, who is the best fighter George has had down? You'd really expect something more from a 'massive' puncher who lands a lot of clean shots. tbh i wonder now if the froch fight flatters gg's power a bit. maybe just got cold and overconfident walking into a shot

Groves should have had two knockdowns counted against Eubank Jr. Chidunov was clearly well out on his feet at the stoppage (and for the previous 20 seconds) and nobody else has looked like stopping him.

Jack is an odd one - yes, he did have that 1st-round stoppage to an unknown. Has never looked remotely that fragile since. Probably caught cold.

Pascal dropped him and Stevenson and Browne hurt him, so I disagree on that

Groves was absolutely wailing away with clean shots on Chudinov and the guy was still on his feet. Not really showing massive world level power there. what other opponents has chduinov really fought for comparison? his next best are non punching middleweights, not really a big deal that they werent stopping him

dookus wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 06:06

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 06:02

dookus wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 05:55 Groves should have had two knockdowns counted against Eubank Jr. Chidunov was clearly well out on his feet at the stoppage (and for the previous 20 seconds) and nobody else has looked like stopping him.

Jack is an odd one - yes, he did have that 1st-round stoppage to an unknown. Has never looked remotely that fragile since. Probably caught cold.

Pascal dropped him and Stevenson and Browne hurt him, so I disagree on that

Groves was absolutely wailing away with clean shots on Chudinov and the guy was still on his feet. Not really showing massive world level power there. what other opponents has chduinov really fought for comparison? his next best are non punching middleweights, not really a big deal that they werent stopping him

Or perhaps Chudinov is just extremely tough and can only be stopped on his feet like Chuvalo. Who knows. I'm going to take the multiple interviews with Groves' opponents talking about his scary one-punch power as pretty good evidence that it exists, even if he couldn't always seem to land it. Shavers is generally regarded as the biggest one-shot hitter in HW history and also hardly stopped anyone decent, so it's not exactly unprecedented.

coghaugen11 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 06:03

bigjack wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 05:08 Both extremely tough fighters,the one thing that sepertaes them is Eubank was hit by a huge punching cruiserweight and stood up,Froch can't say the same,although it's very likely he could have but we'll never know.

He couldn’t have. That’s just sick and sadistic.

coneye wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 00:06 Hard one they both had good chins Eubank stood up to bigger men , but Froch fought the best of his era ,, Benn for me does'nt come into it , i always thought Benn was a great British / European level fighter he would'nt have a bar of the best around at the time , remember in an interview , Toney calling him out and saying Benns not fought anyone good , to which Benn replied yes i have i fought De witt ,, said it all really

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 06:25 They can say whatever, look at what actually happened in the ring: jack, degale, smith, murray, gutnechkt, jr, chudinov---not one of them even counted despite being hit plenty by this world level monster puncher . poor gut's fate is exactly what happens when a guy lacks that finishing power and instead delivers shot after shot for 12

Froch was the only one above british who he levelled, and that's a fact, regardless of what any opponents say. So it's not like we can say Froch got dropped hard by a guy who was doing it to all sorts of good, sturdy fighters


Btw, GGG actually dropped Murray, twice, and stopped him, and did it to a fresher version. Groves landed the kitchen sink and couldnt drop him once or stop him. I'll go with what actually happened in the ring and not some retrospective interview, fighters do it all the time, like when they say their best opponent is someone they beat and not the guy that schooled them. you even have floyd, whos said his toughest opponent was emmanul augustus (who he totally breezed against and stopped) and not the guys who genuinely pushed him

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coghaugen11 wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 06:24 The one sided beating Benn gave DeWitt petrified the Americans. Even Barkey struggled to look him in the eye, their hardest man of all.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 06:25
Btw, GGG actually dropped Murray, twice, and stopped him, and did it to a fresher version. Groves landed the kitchen sink and couldnt drop him once or stop him.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Feb 2021, 06:25 They can say whatever, look at what actually happened in the ring: jack, degale, smith, murray, gutnechkt, jr, chudinov---not one of them even counted despite being hit plenty by this world level monster puncher . poor gut's fate is exactly what happens when a guy lacks that finishing power and instead delivers shot after shot for 12

Froch was the only one above british who he levelled, and that's a fact, regardless of what any opponents say. So it's not like we can say Froch got dropped hard by a guy who was doing it to all sorts of good, sturdy fighters


Btw, GGG actually dropped Murray, twice, and stopped him, and did it to a fresher version. Groves landed the kitchen sink and couldnt drop him once or stop him. I'll go with what actually happened in the ring and not some retrospective interview, fighters do it all the time, like when they say their best opponent is someone they beat and not the guy that schooled them. you even have floyd, whos said his toughest opponent was emmanul augustus (who he totally breezed against and stopped) and not the guys who genuinely pushed him

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