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Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 02 Mar 2021, 18:19
by margaret thatcher
ya the oscar, ramirez, and jcc fights all coulda gone his way
the split decision rivera fight and the fight he got overturned for drugs were close on the cards but never seen it, so not sure if those couldve gone another way too
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 01 May 2021, 19:08
by margaret thatcher
another for delly
could easily have a record with wins over whyte, parker, helenius, ....
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 01 May 2021, 19:16
by dookus
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑01 May 2021, 19:08
another for delly
could easily have a record with wins over whyte, parker, helenius, ....
Yep. The Helenius one in particular was a sickener.
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 05 May 2021, 05:24
by skanksta
Martin Murray was never quite world class, but for me he (should surely have) won a decision against the great Sergio Martinez in front of 50,000 Argies in a soccer stadium fight.
What a result that ~"was"
Only one fight tho' so it doesnae really count - I'll pick Glen Johnson.
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 05 May 2021, 11:10
by oogiebe
Sokol has a few that SHOULD have gone the other way.
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 05 May 2021, 11:31
by kevo
Joel Casamayor. First three losses were against Acelino Freitas, Diego Corrales and Jose Luis Castillo, and all three could have gone the other way. Imagine how different his career could have been if he’d got the nod in all three?
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 05 May 2021, 11:32
by kevo
kevo wrote: ↑05 May 2021, 11:31
Joel Casamayor. First three losses were against Acelino Freitas, Diego Corrales and Jose Luis Castillo, and all three could have gone the other way. Imagine how different his career could have been if he’d got the nod in all three?
But of course he isn’t a fighter of today, so you should probably ignore this.
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 05 May 2021, 11:34
by emallini
Manny Pacquiao
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 05 May 2021, 11:37
by emallini
Porter could be unbeaten
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 05 May 2021, 12:57
by margaret thatcher
kevo wrote: ↑05 May 2021, 11:32
kevo wrote: ↑05 May 2021, 11:31
Joel Casamayor. First three losses were against Acelino Freitas, Diego Corrales and Jose Luis Castillo, and all three could have gone the other way. Imagine how different his career could have been if he’d got the nod in all three?
But of course he isn’t a fighter of today, so you should probably ignore this.
f@ck that bruh, count it
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 05 May 2021, 14:41
by kevo
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑05 May 2021, 12:57
kevo wrote: ↑05 May 2021, 11:32
kevo wrote: ↑05 May 2021, 11:31
Joel Casamayor. First three losses were against Acelino Freitas, Diego Corrales and Jose Luis Castillo, and all three could have gone the other way. Imagine how different his career could have been if he’d got the nod in all three?
But of course he isn’t a fighter of today, so you should probably ignore this.
f@ck that bruh, count it
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 05 May 2021, 18:23
by Boxing Prospect
Given he fights this weekend it's worth noting Katsunari Takayama:
Not seen his fight with Kam Motma (aka Songkram Porpaoin) but an MD (W) at home could likely have gone the other way
Very unlucky against Niida (SD - L)
Reportedly VERY unlucky against Mateo Handig on the road (SD - L) - again not seen this one
Lucky against Fahlan Jr (TD - W) - SHOULD have been a TKO loss as the cut came from a punch that the ref got wrong
Unlucky against Jose Argumedo (TD - L) felt he deserved the win here
2 where he's maybe been lucky and 3 where he's been unlucky, karma probably balances out for him though.
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 06 May 2021, 18:51
by gilgamesh
emallini wrote: ↑05 May 2021, 11:37
Porter could be unbeaten
I thought Brook beat him pretty clear
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 06 May 2021, 18:52
by gilgamesh
NoScoutingReports wrote: ↑21 Feb 2021, 04:48
Badou Jack springs to mind in terms of a fighter who has been involved in a lot of close fights which have divided opinion regarding the result including three draws and other MD/SDs which could have left his record looking quite different I guess.
Badou Jack was one of the first that came to mind for me too. He's one of them guys who's seemingly always in a close, tough fight.
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 06 May 2021, 18:53
by emallini
gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2021, 18:51
emallini wrote: ↑05 May 2021, 11:37
Porter could be unbeaten
I thought Brook beat him pretty clear
Yeah I hear that but loads of the rounds were scrappy as hell and could of gone either way.
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 07 May 2021, 07:12
by kevo
gilgamesh wrote: ↑06 May 2021, 18:51
emallini wrote: ↑05 May 2021, 11:37
Porter could be unbeaten
I thought Brook beat him pretty clear
Yeah, it was a close fight but I don’t remember any controversy over the result.
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 07 May 2021, 09:39
by a force
Brook’s win over Porter was only seen as close in the UK due to Jim Watt’s commentary. Towards the end of his time commentating he had this weird thing where he seemed to think the Brit had to dominate a round abroad for him to score it for him. He did it with Haye - Valuev too.
Scored both fights to Valuev & Porter when for me they were both 8-4, 9-3 type fights in Haye & Brook’s favour.
I’m pretty certain American commentary & pundits had Brook a clear winner & Porter himself has never claimed he won.
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 07 May 2021, 14:49
by gilgamesh
a force wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 09:39
Brook’s win over Porter was only seen as close in the UK due to Jim Watt’s commentary. Towards the end of his time commentating he had this weird thing where he seemed to think the Brit had to dominate a round abroad for him to score it for him. He did it with Haye - Valuev too.
Scored both fights to Valuev & Porter when for me they were both 8-4, 9-3 type fights in Haye & Brook’s favour.
I’m pretty certain American commentary & pundits had Brook a clear winner & Porter himself has never claimed he won.
Yeah I mean I only watched it once when it was Live, but I had Brook winning at least 8 rounds to 4, and never thought it was the least bit in doubt.
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 07 May 2021, 14:51
by margaret thatcher
brook defo won the porter fight, did far cleanier punching and landed more most rounds. porter's usual roughousing didnt work too well and he couldnt overpower brook
8-4 for me as well
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 07 May 2021, 15:01
by TheGman
Liam smith
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 07 May 2021, 15:20
by KiwiRider
Delta Jay wrote: ↑02 Mar 2021, 17:46
I know he’s not even alive, never mind active, but you have to mention Pernell Whitaker. Most of the blemishes on his record have a big fat asterisk next to them
First loss to Ramirez is considered a very bad decision.
Draw to Chavez is considered very bad, the front cover of the ring the next week called it a robbery, IIRC.
De La Hoya loss considered by many to be terrible decision.
Had one win overturned after failing a drug test. It’s his fault for taking cocaine but it’s not a performance enhancer, despite what some may think
Fought Trinidad after a 2 year lay off and came out with a totally different style that was never gonna work. Still did well and won a few rounds...
Gosh that took me back.
Nice post Jay
I've watched the De La Hoya fight a few times over the years, and a draw would have been kind. The loss to Chavez still grinds my gears. Atypical A side victory.
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 19 May 2021, 00:52
by gregregegg
Was just looking through some of Lara’s results, really could of been anywhere from 28-6 to 34-0 (actualy is 28-3-3).
So question, if Lara had put in identical performances but gotten all wins and was 34-0 where would he be ok the p4p list???
kinda shows how fickle boxing fans are letting 3 people we often mock and dispise post fight determine the legacy of a fighter..
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 19 May 2021, 02:05
by margaret thatcher
ya it's like ppl mocking chis for losses when he could easily have wins over whyte and parker (and got robbed vs helly)
yet he's just called loser to the stars, not good enough to win the big one, etc
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 19 May 2021, 10:38
by Oleksandr...Oleksandr...Oleksandr...
John Ryder has had a couple of odd ones. I find the fact he has a defeat to Rocky Fielding absolutely baffling.
Re: which fighters today have the most 'could have gone the other way' results
Posted: 21 May 2021, 19:16
by margaret thatcher
pat mendy has tons of close fights on the road
he stopped an unbeaten guy in serbia today
fought in about 10 countries has patty....a very tough journeyman