Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 24 Feb 2021, 11:53
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Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 24 Feb 2021, 14:19
he and benn are both overrated if you are to compare them with the talent that was around back then. basically they were lucky to have each other and be ticket sellers. Eubank was MORE than happy to be the big fish in the little pond. Let alone on the world scene....you can easily man a case for neither being the premier man in their own country at any stage of their career if you so choose (early..... graham, peak.... Watson, tail end....collins. though that's just me playing devil's advocate).Terminator666 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2021, 08:35 Is Eubank a little over rated then. By some? Based on the fighters he avoided?
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 24 Feb 2021, 14:28
The idea is that if you are world champion making dozens of defences against former/future world champions then you are that for a reason. There was a reason Watson or Graham weren’t ever world champion and that’s because they lost. It’s quite simple stuff. As talented as they undoubtedly were.
Collins was a bit of a fluke.
Collins was a bit of a fluke.
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 24 Feb 2021, 14:34
I don’t think Michael Nunn ever really fancied the Eubank fight until Nunn had already lost his 0 and then had accumulated money under King. He referred to Eubank as “poison” both in May 1990 and again in Jan 93.
Chris certainly didn’t fancy Nunn though between the Benn win and pre-93.
Chris certainly didn’t fancy Nunn though between the Benn win and pre-93.
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 24 Feb 2021, 16:54
Benn and Eubank I think by their own admission weren’t in the class of Jones or Toney. But to be fair the Americans were very strong at the time at that weight. Having a quick glance at the top ten super-middles in the world today, Canelo aside, they look shockingly poor in comparison to the Benn/Eubank era.
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 24 Feb 2021, 20:13
Benn didn’t seem to rate Toney
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 24 Feb 2021, 20:31
How? Collins was a brilliant fighter. He coukd box and he coukd brawl...
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 24 Feb 2021, 20:38
The first fight was luck on the night - KD unscored for CE in 2nd round clearer than KD scored for SC in 8th. Eubank won the 8th when taking away the KD, but was 10-8 to SC on all three. 2nd was 10-9 to SC on all three when should’ve been 10-8 CE. That’s a six-point swing on all cards.
Benn was shot to smithereens post-GMan
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 25 Feb 2021, 03:23
Imagine calling boxers from a snowflake generation. What are you sniffing?coghaugen11 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2021, 07:44Doesn’t realise that times change, it’s now a snowflake generation where fighters prefer to quit or stay out of the gym sniffing coke and eating pizza while pretending they had mental health issues.
And to watch a fight you have to pay £100 a month and £30-40 on top, instead of just own a TV. The fighters just want the one or two big paydays because they can get them. Who’s to say Sugar Ray Robinson wouldn’t have done the same today
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 25 Feb 2021, 05:37
for once i actually agree with him. they haven't the fortitude that the fighters of old had (in the majority). obv there are still examples of immense bravery, but they aren't prepared to go as far nowadays.danconnollyeire wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021, 03:23Imagine calling boxers from a snowflake generation. What are you sniffing?coghaugen11 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2021, 07:44Doesn’t realise that times change, it’s now a snowflake generation where fighters prefer to quit or stay out of the gym sniffing coke and eating pizza while pretending they had mental health issues.
And to watch a fight you have to pay £100 a month and £30-40 on top, instead of just own a TV. The fighters just want the one or two big paydays because they can get them. Who’s to say Sugar Ray Robinson wouldn’t have done the same today
lets not make a habit of this coghaugen11
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 25 Feb 2021, 05:55
You grew up. Well done. Keep it up little ladSteveh583 wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021, 05:37for once i actually agree with him. they haven't the fortitude that the fighters of old had (in the majority). obv there are still examples of immense bravery, but they aren't prepared to go as far nowadays.danconnollyeire wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021, 03:23Imagine calling boxers from a snowflake generation. What are you sniffing?coghaugen11 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2021, 07:44
Doesn’t realise that times change, it’s now a snowflake generation where fighters prefer to quit or stay out of the gym sniffing coke and eating pizza while pretending they had mental health issues.
And to watch a fight you have to pay £100 a month and £30-40 on top, instead of just own a TV. The fighters just want the one or two big paydays because they can get them. Who’s to say Sugar Ray Robinson wouldn’t have done the same today
lets not make a habit of this coghaugen11
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 25 Feb 2021, 06:36
danconnollyeire wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021, 03:23Imagine calling boxers from a snowflake generation. What are you sniffing?coghaugen11 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2021, 07:44Doesn’t realise that times change, it’s now a snowflake generation where fighters prefer to quit or stay out of the gym sniffing coke and eating pizza while pretending they had mental health issues.
And to watch a fight you have to pay £100 a month and £30-40 on top, instead of just own a TV. The fighters just want the one or two big paydays because they can get them. Who’s to say Sugar Ray Robinson wouldn’t have done the same today
Eubanks old pants from his posts. Guys obsessed.
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 25 Feb 2021, 06:42
Wee Tommy wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021, 06:36danconnollyeire wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021, 03:23Imagine calling boxers from a snowflake generation. What are you sniffing?coghaugen11 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2021, 07:44
Doesn’t realise that times change, it’s now a snowflake generation where fighters prefer to quit or stay out of the gym sniffing coke and eating pizza while pretending they had mental health issues.
And to watch a fight you have to pay £100 a month and £30-40 on top, instead of just own a TV. The fighters just want the one or two big paydays because they can get them. Who’s to say Sugar Ray Robinson wouldn’t have done the same today
Eubanks old pants from his posts. Guys obsessed.
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 26 Feb 2021, 07:25
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 26 Feb 2021, 07:26
Wee Tommy wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021, 06:36danconnollyeire wrote: ↑25 Feb 2021, 03:23Imagine calling boxers from a snowflake generation. What are you sniffing?coghaugen11 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2021, 07:44
Doesn’t realise that times change, it’s now a snowflake generation where fighters prefer to quit or stay out of the gym sniffing coke and eating pizza while pretending they had mental health issues.
And to watch a fight you have to pay £100 a month and £30-40 on top, instead of just own a TV. The fighters just want the one or two big paydays because they can get them. Who’s to say Sugar Ray Robinson wouldn’t have done the same today
Eubanks old pants from his posts. Guys obsessed.
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 26 Feb 2021, 15:29
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 27 Feb 2021, 20:21
If the post 90's do suck (which for a number of years now, they don't) it has everything to do with Eubank himself !
Ridiculously easy fights punctuated with some good top tier "British/European title" type fights. Ok, he saw the gap in the market and exploited the f*ck out of it, but stop all this "warrior code" bullshit
The sight of Eubank strutting around with his fake belts
Thank God Carl Froch and Mick Hennessy came along and rescued us from the world of the Matchroom/Sportsnetwork flannel
Apart from getting spanked by a naive and terribly green Calzaghe, seeing Froch 'walk the line' must make Eubank feel very small
Ridiculously easy fights punctuated with some good top tier "British/European title" type fights. Ok, he saw the gap in the market and exploited the f*ck out of it, but stop all this "warrior code" bullshit
The sight of Eubank strutting around with his fake belts
Thank God Carl Froch and Mick Hennessy came along and rescued us from the world of the Matchroom/Sportsnetwork flannel
Apart from getting spanked by a naive and terribly green Calzaghe, seeing Froch 'walk the line' must make Eubank feel very small
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 01 Mar 2021, 16:44
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 01 Mar 2021, 20:46
Yeah, there's definitely a problem, but I am not the one who has it... When all else fails, just put it down to luck.
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 02 Mar 2021, 18:59
Excuse me?
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 04 Mar 2021, 19:43
Floyd in Eubank’s old stomping ground
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 06 Mar 2021, 10:32
coghaugen11 wrote: ↑24 Feb 2021, 06:51
Vs Michael Nunn:
‘All I will say is that I would not take a backward step, I would hold my position. I would step in with the jab, I wouldn’t just flick it out like you see fighters today. I would be moving like a pendulum - not standing straight still to be peppered with right jabs.
‘I had moves that you never saw because it was never brought out of me. Only Herol Graham, Pernell Whitaker and Nunn had the style and ability in boxing then to require particular move sets. But Graham and Nunn were never number-one contender and the public never demanded them.
‘I learned from sparring with Herol that you cannot just swing or you cannot go side-to-side and come in; you have to be calculated in commanding the middle of that four-cornered circle and using maneuvers to get them out of there.’
Vs Roy Jones:
‘Okay, against Roy, I’d be using the great Joe Louis’ strategy of watching the feet because I studied video tape of Roy and noticed he shortened his stance when about to throw a flurry or lengthened his stance when about to throw a power shot.
‘When the stance shortened I’d be covering up, but when the stance lengthened I’d be punching with him; which would’ve been an exceptionally dangerous occurrence.
‘Put simply, I didn’t want another Watson II.’
This is genius from Chris Eubank.
With Nunn he’s referring to the pendulum step that the great Cuban amateurs use to overcome tall fencing Eastern European’s (often southpaws). It’s where you shift slightly in and out of range with a bouncing motion with your feet. That’s perfect vs the mobile tall lefty Nunn, stay glued to the spot or side-step and he’ll outslick you with his reach, speed, output and greasiness. But slide in and out and he’s falling short or able to be timed, use the step jab as Eubank refers and it’s bridging that gap to get in without being nailed
This is Adam Booth/Ben Davison standard stuff or beyond
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 06 Mar 2021, 14:16
Dempsey's footwork against Williard was similiar.
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 06 Mar 2021, 14:37
Amazing. I look forward to many other fighters taking this approach. No longer is there any need to face your peers in the ring, instead avoid them at all costs and then come out years later to explain how you would have fought them
Let's hope the likes of Davis, Garcia, Haney and Lopez follow the genius of Eubank and opt not to face each other and instead just talk when they're retired about how they would have beaten the others
Re: Chris Sr - post-90s suck!
Posted: 06 Mar 2021, 15:20