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Re: UGH!!! Bridgerweight Silver TItle

Posted: 06 Apr 2021, 06:05
by joshj909
Why does it take a new division to make good matchmaking? The winner of this four man tournament could've ended up in the HW top 10 and one or two fights from a title shot with an opportunity to atleast earn more money than they will ever will at BW.

Re: UGH!!! Bridgerweight Silver TItle

Posted: 07 Apr 2021, 10:56
by Thomastearns
Enlightened-One wrote: 06 Apr 2021, 02:08 The WBC have the following titles/belts:

• World
• Interim
• Franchise
• Diamond
• Gold
• Silver
• Emerald
• Onyx
• Recess
• Emeritus
• Eternal
• International
• Mestizo
• Don Adolfo Lopez Mateos
• Frontline Battle

I may have missed a few, but you get the general idea.

If Mauricio Sulaimán’s organisation has/had those belts for their other weight classes, they’re almost certainly going to have them for the Bridgerweight division also.

On a side note, I feel slightly dirty and a tad violated after submitting a post acknowledging those titles. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Incredible, what an impressive list!

Even after all these years of watching multitudes of boxing shenanigans somehow I still found it hard to believe that there actually was such a thing as a Frontline Battle belt.

There is.

Well done Mauricio Sulaiman. :clap:

Great work in bleeding the sport dry - as usual. I'm sure there's still plenty of room for more. Keep them coming.

The WBC cannot be called farmers, and they're certainly not investors.

Vampires? Certainly.

And that's just one of the sanctioning bodies!


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Re: UGH!!! Bridgerweight Silver TItle

Posted: 07 Apr 2021, 12:24
by candyslim
margaret thatcher wrote: 05 Apr 2021, 20:40 let's be honest, tons of good fights have bizarre abc continental intergalactic titles on the line, we ignore those, let's do that here bruhsters and enjoy these barbarians going to war :yay:
That's just it. Ignore the titles and labels and just enjoy some decent fights between some of the smaller heavyweights or cruiserweights testing the shallower waters.

We will never be rid of these mickey mouse belts as long as promoters, networks, and the fighters themselves can't get enough of them. Fans who know boxing know that all these international, diamond, junior belts are pure bullshit but if it leads to an appealing fight between two fighters who are chasing a shiny trinket, which would otherwise not have happened then who is complaining, not me?

Re: UGH!!! Bridgerweight Silver TItle

Posted: 07 Apr 2021, 14:45
by aicheligad
Some years ago, you could hardly find a Polish ''prospect'' who never fought the prestigious WBC Baltic title :lol:

Re: UGH!!! Bridgerweight Silver TItle

Posted: 07 Apr 2021, 14:46
by aicheligad
candyslim wrote: 07 Apr 2021, 12:24
margaret thatcher wrote: 05 Apr 2021, 20:40 let's be honest, tons of good fights have bizarre abc continental intergalactic titles on the line, we ignore those, let's do that here bruhsters and enjoy these barbarians going to war :yay:
That's just it. Ignore the titles and labels and just enjoy some decent fights between some of the smaller heavyweights or cruiserweights testing the shallower waters.

We will never be rid of these mickey mouse belts as long as promoters, networks, and the fighters themselves can't get enough of them. Fans who know boxing know that all these international, diamond, junior belts are pure bullshit but if it leads to an appealing fight between two fighters who are chasing a shiny trinket, which would otherwise not have happened then who is complaining, not me?
The problem is the fact that fighters like that will be called World Champions. But then, we often get some terrible champions/belt holders in other divisions anyway. But yes, I tend to care less about the belts these days.

Re: UGH!!! Bridgerweight Silver TItle

Posted: 07 Apr 2021, 15:39
by candyslim
True but we know what's real and what's b/s don't we? It's the casual sports fan who can't distinguish between what's genuine and the crap he's being fed by the networks and the alphabet mafia that I feel sorry for. It's not right but there is a cure ... get to know your way around this wonderful terrible sport of boxing that we all love.

Re: UGH!!! Bridgerweight Silver TItle

Posted: 07 Apr 2021, 16:19
by KiwiRider
If your going to HW, just go.
Either you can hang with the big men or you can't.

Re: UGH!!! Bridgerweight Silver TItle

Posted: 07 Apr 2021, 16:26
by bigjack
oogiebe wrote: 05 Apr 2021, 19:34
gilgamesh wrote: 05 Apr 2021, 19:13 Fake title in a Fake division. Not worth acknowledging.
It's hilarious how the WBC thinks this is a good idea.
Even more hilarious if anyone other than the WBC take any notice of this joke belt,I have a feeling they will though.

Re: UGH!!! Bridgerweight Silver TItle

Posted: 07 Apr 2021, 19:42
by Enlightened-One
Interesting fact...

Deontay Wilder is the only heavyweight fighter within the last decade to have successfully engaged in a world heavyweight title fight weighing less than 225lbs.

And he only ever did it three times.

The equivalent stats for the previous decade aren't much better either. The numbers don't lie.

Part of me despises the introduction of the new Bridgerweight division, but the remainder has empathy towards the plight faced by small heavyweights constantly failing to make the grade against much bigger foes.

I'm sure most of us thought there'd eventually be a new weight class at some point, between 200lbs cruiserweights and today's typical 250lbs behemoths?

It seemed inevitable, but it shouldn't have been introduced during the sports' lowest point in history.

Re: UGH!!! Bridgerweight Silver TItle

Posted: 08 Apr 2021, 00:00
by p4p1
Enlightened-One wrote: 07 Apr 2021, 19:42 Interesting fact...

Deontay Wilder is the only heavyweight fighter within the last decade to have successfully engaged in a world heavyweight title fight weighing less than 225lbs.

And he only ever did it three times.

The equivalent stats for the previous decade aren't much better either. The numbers don't lie.

Part of me despises the introduction of the new Bridgerweight division, but the remainder has empathy towards the plight faced by small heavyweights constantly failing to make the grade against much bigger foes.

I'm sure most of us thought there'd eventually be a new weight class at some point, between 200lbs cruiserweights and today's typical 250lbs behemoths?

It seemed inevitable, but it shouldn't have been introduced during the sports' lowest point in history.
Most of the big guys you're referring to could make 225lbs by diet and cutting weight before the weigh in. That's the major problem with the division for me. It would have made more sense to drop CW back down to 190 and have the new weight at 205-210 which would have stopped the big guys you're referring to being able to make the weight.

Re: UGH!!! Bridgerweight Silver TItle

Posted: 08 Apr 2021, 03:19
by candyslim
I've heard a lot worse ideas. There is precedent for altering the cruiserweight limit and it's not like messing with history and tradition in the way it would be if one were to rearrange the lower weight limits (on the basis do we really need 10 weight divisions covering a 35lb spread?)

Personally Bridgerweight doesn't bother me although I don't see a need for it. It's obvious why the WBC do they don't give a sh*t about boxing, it's all about the Benjamins, more belts = more sanctioning fees end of story.

I will simply ignore the title, but enjoy the fights, until such time as the weight division makes us sit up and take notice, which may never happen. In the meantime it won't persuade fighters who can cut it, from pursuing the big bucks at heavyweight but if it offers an avenue to those who can't (cut it) let them get on with it. It's already given birth to one or two decent match ups that wouldn't have made at heavyweight. There will be many more.

Don't forget how much hostility was encountered by the cruiserweight division from when the proposal was made, probably right up to them increasing the limit to 200lbs. Who can truthfully say they would like to see cruiserweight abolished and heavyweight start from 175lb like it did before?

That doesn't mean I welcome the introduction of the bridgerweight division coz I don't. I could always see the logic of a cruiserweight division whereas a new division at 224 strikes me as desirable as a third buttock.

Re: UGH!!! Bridgerweight Silver TItle

Posted: 09 Apr 2021, 00:54
by p4p1
candyslim wrote: 08 Apr 2021, 03:19 I've heard a lot worse ideas. There is precedent for altering the cruiserweight limit and it's not like messing with history and tradition in the way it would be if one were to rearrange the lower weight limits (on the basis do we really need 10 weight divisions covering a 35lb spread?)

Personally Bridgerweight doesn't bother me although I don't see a need for it. It's obvious why the WBC do they don't give a sh*t about boxing, it's all about the Benjamins, more belts = more sanctioning fees end of story.

I will simply ignore the title, but enjoy the fights, until such time as the weight division makes us sit up and take notice, which may never happen. In the meantime it won't persuade fighters who can cut it, from pursuing the big bucks at heavyweight but if it offers an avenue to those who can't (cut it) let them get on with it. It's already given birth to one or two decent match ups that wouldn't have made at heavyweight. There will be many more.

Don't forget how much hostility was encountered by the cruiserweight division from when the proposal was made, probably right up to them increasing the limit to 200lbs. Who can truthfully say they would like to see cruiserweight abolished and heavyweight start from 175lb like it did before?

That doesn't mean I welcome the introduction of the bridgerweight division coz I don't. I could always see the logic of a cruiserweight division whereas a new division at 224 strikes me as desirable as a third buttock.
I think now 175 to HW is way too big of a difference. Back when HWs were around or less than 200lbs a weight probably wasn't needed. 175-200lbs is too big of a gap and thought 190 was about right. The plus side for Bridgerweight though is it may force so HWs to get into proper shape, which *should* give us some better fights between HWs.

I would prefer something like I proposed (190lbs and 205-210) and doing away with some of the stupidly close gaps at some of the lighter weights. Donnie Nietes is a 4 weight world champion which he achieved across 10lbs. That's pretty ridiculous to me. That's not to single out the small guys at all but its a bit out of whack IMO. On the flip side of that though, is that although we get sick of the sanctioning bodies and their money scamming bullshit it generally creates more income for fighters. Their bullshit regional titles that don't make sense and as far as I know generally don't have mandatories at least create more interest for the casuals, who is the majority of the paying audience.

Re: UGH!!! Bridgerweight Silver TItle

Posted: 09 Apr 2021, 04:00
by candyslim
I agree wiith that. The thing that would concern me about condensing the lighter weights is when you screw around with the weight limit for old established divisions you're messing with history, in that how do you discuss who were say the greatest featherweights in history if today's weight spread was different to yesteryear?

It seems to me we could cheerfully dispense with with the "super" weight classes such as super-bantam aka junior featherweight aka light-featherweight but that's never going to happen is it? You can't put the genie back in the bottle, sadly.