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Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 13:34 I feel sorry for every one of your teachers. I'm sure they tried.

m3304 wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 01:09 Even though Gomez was coming up in weight he was the betting favorite. I could be wrong
but I think he was something like 40-0 with 40 KO's before the Sanchez fight. Both were great fighters
& as I recall Gomez finally did become featherweight champ later on. I loved the sport for a long time
& IMO Sanchez was one of the all time greats. Knocking out Little Red Lopez, Wilfredo Gomez &
The "Mighty Warrior' Azumeh Nelson is a testament to the greatness of Sanchez. Nelson after
being KO'd by Sanchez held the featherweight & later junior lightweight championship for over 14 years.
It was the only time Nelson was ever KO'd.

Sanchez finished his remarkable career with 44 wins & 1 loss. He lost his life crashing his sports car
in his early 20's losing IMO almost a decade of prime years ahead of him. I checked his record &
the only blemish of his career was a split decision loss in a bantamweight fight years before his
championship reign.

I see at BoxRec he's only rated #12 featherweight of all times. I think he was #1. In fact of
all the fighters lb for lb I'd rate (1 Ray Robinson 2) Roberto Duran 3) Salvatore Sanchez

elmersalsa wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 21:55 I think that also the great Eusebio Pedroza would have obliterated Bazooka.

So, either way, Gomez would have lost to these two great champions at featherweight. They were in another class by themselves.

Gomez had to beat an unlisted champ Juan LaPorte. That was the only way he could have become champ in my opinion. Not through Pedroza or Sanchez.

Nile4000 wrote: ↑10 Nov 2021, 13:31

elmersalsa wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 21:55 I think that also the great Eusebio Pedroza would have obliterated Bazooka.

So, either way, Gomez would have lost to these two great champions at featherweight. They were in another class by themselves.

Gomez had to beat an unlisted champ Juan LaPorte. That was the only way he could have become champ in my opinion. Not through Pedroza or Sanchez.

My feelings exactly. He was just moving up meeting superior fighters.

elmersalsa wrote: ↑11 Nov 2021, 20:10

Nile4000 wrote: ↑10 Nov 2021, 13:31

elmersalsa wrote: ↑07 May 2021, 21:55 I think that also the great Eusebio Pedroza would have obliterated Bazooka.

So, either way, Gomez would have lost to these two great champions at featherweight. They were in another class by themselves.

Gomez had to beat an unlisted champ Juan LaPorte. That was the only way he could have become champ in my opinion. Not through Pedroza or Sanchez.

My feelings exactly. He was just moving up meeting superior fighters.

Exactly. It is a damn shame that Pedroza and Sanchez never got into it.

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 15:45 Maybe. I think size would be a factor for Gomez against Pedrosa, and the whole style triangle thing means I’d hold judgement on Pedrosa-Gomez just on the basis of their comparative performance against Laporte. Also I wonder if Pedrosas box move style was a difficult one for Gomez (Laportes lazy style certainly wasn’t). Totally agree it would be a foul fest for the ages but even there I think Pedrosa being bigger physically would have success bashing him with his shoulder/etc (I’m sure they’d go blow for blow with the low blows and elbows though ). I mean, Pedrosa was a load for anyone to try to carry and he does have some advantages to parlay here

I can see it either way, my instinct says Pedrosa but it’s no clear cut call, obliterated is obvious Elmo hyper

giacomino wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 18:28

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 15:45 Maybe. I think size would be a factor for Gomez against Pedrosa, and the whole style triangle thing means I’d hold judgement on Pedrosa-Gomez just on the basis of their comparative performance against Laporte. Also I wonder if Pedrosas box move style was a difficult one for Gomez (Laportes lazy style certainly wasn’t). Totally agree it would be a foul fest for the ages but even there I think Pedrosa being bigger physically would have success bashing him with his shoulder/etc (I’m sure they’d go blow for blow with the low blows and elbows though ). I mean, Pedrosa was a load for anyone to try to carry and he does have some advantages to parlay here

I can see it either way, my instinct says Pedrosa but it’s no clear cut call, obliterated is obvious Elmo hyper

100% agree. I was mostly reacting to Elmo’s usual hyperbole, I think Gomez was underrated as a boxer, but Pedroza used his size well. Gomez was just as mean with the ball-shots (Zárate can attest to that). Both would have been DQ’d today more than once. My guess is it would go the distance and Gomez would win but Pedroza could pull out a close win as well. Neither would be, as Elmo said, “obliterated”

elmersalsa wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 18:08

giacomino wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 18:28

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 15:45 Maybe. I think size would be a factor for Gomez against Pedrosa, and the whole style triangle thing means I’d hold judgement on Pedrosa-Gomez just on the basis of their comparative performance against Laporte. Also I wonder if Pedrosas box move style was a difficult one for Gomez (Laportes lazy style certainly wasn’t). Totally agree it would be a foul fest for the ages but even there I think Pedrosa being bigger physically would have success bashing him with his shoulder/etc (I’m sure they’d go blow for blow with the low blows and elbows though ). I mean, Pedrosa was a load for anyone to try to carry and he does have some advantages to parlay here

I can see it either way, my instinct says Pedrosa but it’s no clear cut call, obliterated is obvious Elmo hyper

100% agree. I was mostly reacting to Elmo’s usual hyperbole, I think Gomez was underrated as a boxer, but Pedroza used his size well. Gomez was just as mean with the ball-shots (Zárate can attest to that). Both would have been DQ’d today more than once. My guess is it would go the distance and Gomez would win but Pedroza could pull out a close win as well. Neither would be, as Elmo said, “obliterated”

Pedroza whips Gomez every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Gomez did not had the power to hurt a real featherweight. Plus, Pedroza was much more a complete fighter than Gomez. Perhaps Pedroza was the most complete boxer that I have ever seen. But, the American media make us to believe that he was totally a dirty fighter. I differ from that assessment. Pedroza could do it all. He was just not exciting for American TV audiences. But, his style was effective most of the time.

giacomino wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 18:31

elmersalsa wrote: ↑15 Nov 2021, 18:08

giacomino wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 18:28

100% agree. I was mostly reacting to Elmo’s usual hyperbole, I think Gomez was underrated as a boxer, but Pedroza used his size well. Gomez was just as mean with the ball-shots (Zárate can attest to that). Both would have been DQ’d today more than once. My guess is it would go the distance and Gomez would win but Pedroza could pull out a close win as well. Neither would be, as Elmo said, “obliterated”

Pedroza whips Gomez every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Gomez did not had the power to hurt a real featherweight. Plus, Pedroza was much more a complete fighter than Gomez. Perhaps Pedroza was the most complete boxer that I have ever seen. But, the American media make us to believe that he was totally a dirty fighter. I differ from that assessment. Pedroza could do it all. He was just not exciting for American TV audiences. But, his style was effective most of the time.

Yes, we know about your love of Pedroza. Could whip Louis, Ali and both Sugar Rays on the same night Got it.

Joe.Kelly wrote: ↑06 May 2021, 15:32 Another thing that occurred to me: might Gomez's eye injuries have been caused by head butts? I can't tell, because their infighting moments make it hard to track fists, butts, or elbows on film.

No disrespect to Sanchez, but I saw that he was very quick to lower his head anytime the guys got really close to each other.

Ambling Alp II wrote: ↑17 Nov 2021, 11:40 Pedroza was competent at most things, not great at anything. Not sure hop "complete" that makes him. He clearly wasn't as good as the guys just mentioned.