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quitting, and whether a quit was justified are 2 different things

True tearns, the doctor / ref should have stopped it.
They do seem a bit common lately - 4 high profile ones.

Didn't Brook get a plate in after Golovkin, and then got the other one busted v Spence.

You can't say they don't earn their money in there. And on world stage, it sure must be humbling.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 13:47 quitting, and whether a quit was justified are 2 different things

I'd just rather people use a less pejorative term. "Quit", "Quitter", or "Quitting" just sounds so feeble, so inadequate even if it is accurate by definition. A fighter who suffers serious damage which threatens to end their career, their ability to ever recover should they elect to continue, even threatens to end their life in the worst cases, doesn't deserve to have their reputation tarnished with a miserable, derogatory word like"quit". It's a shitty word.

candyslim wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 18:39

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 13:47 quitting, and whether a quit was justified are 2 different things

I'd just rather people use a less pejorative term. "Quit", "Quitter", or "Quitting" just sounds so feeble, so inadequate even if it is accurate by definition. A fighter who suffers serious damage which threatens to end their career, their ability to ever recover should they elect to continue, even threatens to end their life in the worst cases, doesn't deserve to have their reputation tarnished with a miserable, derogatory word like"quit". It's a shitty word.

BJS got his stick because of his big mouth. Let's not pretend anyone here wants anyone to get hurt. Jesus!

Settle down Oogie, I already agreed with you on the point that BJS deserved stick, but lets not pretend there aren't people who would have called him a quitter anyway, look at the sh*t that Dubois got after the Joyce fight after suffering a similar injury.

If I still haven't made it clear yet, I was not having a pop at you, I fully understand your reasoning.

Noxy wrote: ↑09 May 2021, 15:17 I'm watching a few IFL interviews. It just occurred to me, broken eye sockets seem to be occurring more now - Brook twice, Dubois, BJS now. You never used to hear about them. At least it seems that way to me. I wonder if that means people are hitting harder now, or maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Orbital fractures are as rare as unicorn șħĩṫ!

And I guess twenty years or so ago, these sort of injuries would have been wrongly diagnosed (or at least harder to detect).

However, I’m pretty sure that John 'The Beast' Mugabi, Melrick Taylor, Paulie Malignaggi, Andrew Golota, Rafael Marquez, Bobby Czyz, Denis Lebedev, Antonio Margarito, Alfredo Angulo and Kell Brook have all suffered similar injuries to Billy Joe Saunders.

adislav123 wrote: ↑09 May 2021, 16:17

Cent0089 wrote: ↑09 May 2021, 15:34 That is a pretty brutal injury

damn. you are stupid. are you a doctor or what?

it's nothing. it's not a split open head with brain matter bubbling out!!!

a fuckking true warrior goes out on his shield NO MATTER WHAT!!!

A TRUE GLADIATOR WOULD LOVE TO GIVE HIS EYESIGHT OR EVEN HIS LIVE TO THE CHEERING MASSES AS MUCH AS THE MASSES WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE WARRIOR GIVING THEM THEIR LIVE WHILE BLINDLY FIGHTING ON IN THE RING!! it's tough, m9therfucker!! but it's love!! it's tuff luv mofo!!! it's fight shit!!! tuff motherfucking fight luv shit!!! no gay ass quit shit!!!!

if the fighter talks shit to hype the games and demonstrate his determination to do everything to win beforehand you have to take that shit literally. period. if not you are a bum.

it's even his fornicating duty then to fight til' death, literally UNTIL HE is effing DEAD!! if not he's a fookin' bum. a clown! a quitter! he may be alive but he then is a bummy, clownish, quitting asshole for live! no true warrior quits!!! never!! ever!! fornicate you sissies!!!!

why dont you get in the ring and practice what you preach ..

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 May 2021, 04:44

Noxy wrote: ↑09 May 2021, 15:17 I'm watching a few IFL interviews. It just occurred to me, broken eye sockets seem to be occurring more now - Brook twice, Dubois, BJS now. You never used to hear about them. At least it seems that way to me. I wonder if that means people are hitting harder now, or maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Orbital fractures are as rare as unicorn șħĩṫ!

And I guess twenty years or so ago, these sort of injuries would have been wrongly diagnosed (or at least harder to detect).

However, I’m pretty sure that John 'The Beast' Mugabi, Melrick Taylor, Paulie Malignaggi, Andrew Golota, Rafael Marquez, Bobby Czyz, Denis Lebedev, Antonio Margarito, Alfredo Angulo and Kell Brook have all suffered similar injuries to Billy Joe Saunders.

Didn't Inoue suffer the injury in his fight with Donaire? He boxed on, some fighters do, some fighters don't. It's a matter of choice and nobody can really say a fighter should continue.

Clearly some boxers have boxed on with the injury that BJS suffered (or worse).He chose not to but he has the right to do that. Just wish he hadn't mouthed off about other fighters and claimed he would never quit but then actually did what he had chastised Dubois for.

Monzon83 wrote: ↑12 May 2021, 07:30

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 May 2021, 04:44

Noxy wrote: ↑09 May 2021, 15:17 I'm watching a few IFL interviews. It just occurred to me, broken eye sockets seem to be occurring more now - Brook twice, Dubois, BJS now. You never used to hear about them. At least it seems that way to me. I wonder if that means people are hitting harder now, or maybe I'm reading too much into it.

Orbital fractures are as rare as unicorn șħĩṫ!

And I guess twenty years or so ago, these sort of injuries would have been wrongly diagnosed (or at least harder to detect).

However, I’m pretty sure that John 'The Beast' Mugabi, Melrick Taylor, Paulie Malignaggi, Andrew Golota, Rafael Marquez, Bobby Czyz, Denis Lebedev, Antonio Margarito, Alfredo Angulo, Daniel Dubois and Kell Brook have all suffered similar injuries to Billy Joe Saunders.

Didn't Inoue suffer the injury in his fight with Donaire? He boxed on, some fighters do, some fighters don't. It's a matter of choice and nobody can really say a fighter should continue.

Clearly some boxers have boxed on with the injury that BJS suffered (or worse).He chose not to but he has the right to do that.

Naoya Inoue did indeed suffer an orbital fracture. So we can already name about a dozen fighters that have suffered these sort of injuries.

That said, I'm guessing (like every other sort of injury) there are varying degrees of severity of orbital fractures, which meant that some fighters could continue, but others couldn't.

Billy Joe's cheekbone was collapsed to the point his eyeball was no longer visible. And from a layman's perspective, Saunders injury seemed outrageously bad.

However, a lot of fight fans are thick fṹḉkḛṛș!

They ignorantly assume that all injuries are the same. "One fractured orbital bone injury cannot possibly be worse than another!"

So let's imagine a scenario where fighters A and B endure some form of trauma that results in their orbital sockets being fractured.

Therefore, if fighter A boxed on, but fighter B refused to continue, then ignorant fight fans unfairly accuse fighter B of being mentally frail and will also ridicule him to high heavens.

At the end of the day, boxing is only a sport. There's much more to life than losing a sporting event.

Not only that, but Canelo was turning up the heat in round 8. If a fully firing BJS was struggling to keep pace with this highly skilled, freakish puncher, who was chasing him down, how do his critics imagine round 9 was likely to play out with a tiring, shell-shocked, demoralised, one-eyed, fighter trying desperately to protect his stoved-in eye-socket and cheekbone?

BJS was foolish to criticize Daniel Dubois. I'd like to believe he is a wiser man who has learnt a lesson. I'd like to but I'm not sure that I do.

bill's as thick as jarrell miller's sh!t, im not sure he's capable of learning

I've no experience of Jarrell Miller's sh!t so I'll bow to your insider (or should that be insidim?) knowledge

adislav123 wrote: ↑09 May 2021, 16:17

Cent0089 wrote: ↑09 May 2021, 15:34 That is a pretty brutal injury

damn. you are stupid. are you a doctor or what?

it's nothing. it's not a split open head with brain matter bubbling out!!!

a fuckking true warrior goes out on his shield NO MATTER WHAT!!!

A TRUE GLADIATOR WOULD LOVE TO GIVE HIS EYESIGHT OR EVEN HIS LIVE TO THE CHEERING MASSES AS MUCH AS THE MASSES WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE WARRIOR GIVING THEM THEIR LIVE WHILE BLINDLY FIGHTING ON IN THE RING!! it's tough, m9therfucker!! but it's love!! it's tuff luv mofo!!! it's fight shit!!! tuff motherfucking fight luv shit!!! no gay ass quit shit!!!!

if the fighter talks shit to hype the games and demonstrate his determination to do everything to win beforehand you have to take that shit literally. period. if not you are a bum.

it's even his fornicating duty then to fight til' death, literally UNTIL HE is effing DEAD!! if not he's a fookin' bum. a clown! a quitter! he may be alive but he then is a bummy, clownish, quitting asshole for live! no true warrior quits!!! never!! ever!! fornicate you sissies!!!!

I bet you couldn't fight your way out of a paper bag

candyslim wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 18:39

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 13:47 quitting, and whether a quit was justified are 2 different things

I'd just rather people use a less pejorative term. "Quit", "Quitter", or "Quitting" just sounds so feeble, so inadequate even if it is accurate by definition. A fighter who suffers serious damage which threatens to end their career, their ability to ever recover should they elect to continue, even threatens to end their life in the worst cases, doesn't deserve to have their reputation tarnished with a miserable, derogatory word like"quit". It's a shitty word.

yeah - semantics makes it such a loaded word.
Quitting can be good too.., quitting smoking, quitting while you're ahead etc. etc.
"Quitting" and "not going blind" are the same thing here.

BJS deserves it tho !

adislav123 wrote: ↑10 May 2021, 14:54 adislav123 wrote: ↑call to not continue with a broken orbital bone quitting and proof once again how clueless you are.

canelo punches like a mule and saunders ducked into the punch.

jlacyko
He quit. It was a smart move but factually he quit did he not?

adislav123
you can't continue to fight with a broken/cracked orbital bone/severly damaged eye socket... whatever it was.

if your jaw is dislocated/broken and you're crazy you can try to protect it by moving, punching covering up like ali or arthur abraham did.

with a fucked up eye like that there is just no going on. period.

props to canelo for his precision and power. one punch ended the fight.
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just for the record, there's a thing called irony.

adislav123 wrote: ↑09 May 2021, 16:17

Cent0089 wrote: ↑09 May 2021, 15:34 That is a pretty brutal injury

damn. you are stupid. are you a doctor or what?

it's nothing. it's not a split open head with brain matter bubbling out!!!

a fuckking true warrior goes out on his shield NO MATTER WHAT!!!

A TRUE GLADIATOR WOULD LOVE TO GIVE HIS EYESIGHT OR EVEN HIS LIVE TO THE CHEERING MASSES AS MUCH AS THE MASSES WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE WARRIOR GIVING THEM THEIR LIVE WHILE BLINDLY FIGHTING ON IN THE RING!! it's tough, m9therfucker!! but it's love!! it's tuff luv mofo!!! it's fight shit!!! tuff motherfucking fight luv shit!!! no gay ass quit shit!!!!

if the fighter talks shit to hype the games and demonstrate his determination to do everything to win beforehand you have to take that shit literally. period. if not you are a bum.

it's even his fornicating duty then to fight til' death, literally UNTIL HE is effing DEAD!! if not he's a fookin' bum. a clown! a quitter! he may be alive but he then is a bummy, clownish, quitting asshole for live! no true warrior quits!!! never!! ever!! fornicate you sissies!!!!

that was a hard jab, the knuckle not the flat front of the glove went directly in the already shut swollen eye, damaged some nerve for sure if it hopefully didn't even crack or broke something.

his delayed reaction clearly showed the pain, there's no two ways of "handling" something like that, he took the knee cause he had to.

that he got up the moment he was counted out didn't look good but it was a reflex & the next punches from joyce would've targeted that damaged eye again and he wouldn't have even seen them.

so where is the sense in fighting on, risk permanent damage just so the same idiots that now call him weak and a quitter could babble shit about him being a warrior and going out on his shield. people who's opinions he shouldn't give a flying duck anyways.

skanksta wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 11:05

candyslim wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 18:39

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 13:47 quitting, and whether a quit was justified are 2 different things

I'd just rather people use a less pejorative term. "Quit", "Quitter", or "Quitting" just sounds so feeble, so inadequate even if it is accurate by definition. A fighter who suffers serious damage which threatens to end their career, their ability to ever recover should they elect to continue, even threatens to end their life in the worst cases, doesn't deserve to have their reputation tarnished with a miserable, derogatory word like"quit". It's a shitty word.

yeah - semantics makes it such a loaded word.
Quitting can be good too.., quitting smoking, quitting while you're ahead etc. etc.
"Quitting" and "not going blind" are the same thing here.

BJS deserves it tho !

True enough but it's never good in a boxing sense is it? BJS does deserve to get abuse for a lot of the things he's said and done, but in the interest of fairplay (I was going to say 'truth and accuracy' but I didn't actually see/hear the interview) I read that what he said was along the lines of "Fair enough if Daniel Dubois had a genuine serious injury but I don't think he was badly hurt"‘

If that is roughly what he said, and I can't say one way or the other, then this would obviously have been said before the full extent of DDD's injury was known. That's still pretty disrespectful, but if correctly reported, it's not the same as saying Dubois should have continued fighting with a broken eye socket as is widely understood.

adislav123 wrote: ↑13 May 2021, 13:46

adislav123 wrote: ↑09 May 2021, 16:17

Cent0089 wrote: ↑09 May 2021, 15:34 That is a pretty brutal injury

damn. you are stupid. are you a doctor or what?

it's nothing. it's not a split open head with brain matter bubbling out!!!

a fuckking true warrior goes out on his shield NO MATTER WHAT!!!

A TRUE GLADIATOR WOULD LOVE TO GIVE HIS EYESIGHT OR EVEN HIS LIVE TO THE CHEERING MASSES AS MUCH AS THE MASSES WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE WARRIOR GIVING THEM THEIR LIVE WHILE BLINDLY FIGHTING ON IN THE RING!! it's tough, m9therfucker!! but it's love!! it's tuff luv mofo!!! it's fight shit!!! tuff motherfucking fight luv shit!!! no gay ass quit shit!!!!

if the fighter talks shit to hype the games and demonstrate his determination to do everything to win beforehand you have to take that shit literally. period. if not you are a bum.

it's even his fornicating duty then to fight til' death, literally UNTIL HE is effing DEAD!! if not he's a fookin' bum. a clown! a quitter! he may be alive but he then is a bummy, clownish, quitting asshole for live! no true warrior quits!!! never!! ever!! fornicate you sissies!!!!

This was so ridiculously over-the-top it was clear to me you were either a total raving nutter or far more likely, in fact almost certainly, employing irony to highlight the absurdity of the argument. I did in fact point this out on the previous page.

You do have to be mindful of the fact that not everybody reads the entire thread even when its only two pages long, not everybody even reads the whole post, they sort of skim-read to get the gist, and not everybody can recognize irony if it bit 'em on the arse. I don't know which category your critics fit into

adislav123 wrote: ↑09 May 2021, 16:17

Cent0089 wrote: ↑09 May 2021, 15:34 That is a pretty brutal injury

damn. you are stupid. are you a doctor or what?

it's nothing. it's not a split open head with brain matter bubbling out!!!

a fuckking true warrior goes out on his shield NO MATTER WHAT!!!

A TRUE GLADIATOR WOULD LOVE TO GIVE HIS EYESIGHT OR EVEN HIS LIVE TO THE CHEERING MASSES AS MUCH AS THE MASSES WOULD LOVE TO SEE THE WARRIOR GIVING THEM THEIR LIVE WHILE BLINDLY FIGHTING ON IN THE RING!! it's tough, m9therfucker!! but it's love!! it's tuff luv mofo!!! it's fight shit!!! tuff motherfucking fight luv shit!!! no gay ass quit shit!!!!

if the fighter talks shit to hype the games and demonstrate his determination to do everything to win beforehand you have to take that shit literally. period. if not you are a bum.

it's even his fornicating duty then to fight til' death, literally UNTIL HE is effing DEAD!! if not he's a fookin' bum. a clown! a quitter! he may be alive but he then is a bummy, clownish, quitting asshole for live! no true warrior quits!!! never!! ever!! fornicate you sissies!!!!

Aside from your idiotic homophobic slur in a time that even the dumbest moron in the corner licking his own flowing boogers would be smart enough to avoid, you couldn’t be more wrong about every single word that I was dumb enough to take the time to read. And I’ll be honest, I stopped halfway through the 2nd paragraph. Unreadable so I just wanted to let you know that you’re unreadable and a homophobe.

You idiot. These aren’t the days where Sugar Ray Robinson couldn’t feed his family for a month after a fight if he lost. In those days, they epitomized fighting to the death because in those times, not winning almost meant death or at least not being able to provide for his family. These days, a big fight like this means that BJS’s kid’s kids are set for life. If you had 8 million dollars to spend the next morning after the fight, I guarantee your bigoted ass would crumble when you felt your eye socket break in two places. It’s a miserable injury and life changing for his future in normal life. You are just the kind of people that I’d love to smack over and over and over again. But I know you will never crawl out of your basement to make it possible. And that’s the saddest part of this dickhead.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 May 2021, 08:15

Monzon83 wrote: ↑12 May 2021, 07:30

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑12 May 2021, 04:44
Orbital fractures are as rare as unicorn șħĩṫ!

And I guess twenty years or so ago, these sort of injuries would have been wrongly diagnosed (or at least harder to detect).

However, I’m pretty sure that John 'The Beast' Mugabi, Melrick Taylor, Paulie Malignaggi, Andrew Golota, Rafael Marquez, Bobby Czyz, Denis Lebedev, Antonio Margarito, Alfredo Angulo, Daniel Dubois and Kell Brook have all suffered similar injuries to Billy Joe Saunders.

Didn't Inoue suffer the injury in his fight with Donaire? He boxed on, some fighters do, some fighters don't. It's a matter of choice and nobody can really say a fighter should continue.

Clearly some boxers have boxed on with the injury that BJS suffered (or worse).He chose not to but he has the right to do that.

Naoya Inoue did indeed suffer an orbital fracture. So we can already name about a dozen fighters that have suffered these sort of injuries.

That said, I'm guessing (like every other sort of injury) there are varying degrees of severity of orbital fractures, which meant that some fighters could continue, but others couldn't.

Billy Joe's cheekbone was collapsed to the point his eyeball was no longer visible. And from a layman's perspective, Saunders injury seemed outrageously bad.

However, a lot of fight fans are thick fṹḉkḛṛș!

They ignorantly assume that all injuries are the same. "One fractured orbital bone injury cannot possibly be worse than another!"

So let's imagine a scenario where fighters A and B endure some form of trauma that results in their orbital sockets being fractured.

Therefore, if fighter A boxed on, but fighter B refused to continue, then ignorant fight fans unfairly accuse fighter B of being mentally frail and will also ridicule him to high heavens.

At the end of the day, boxing is only a sport. There's much more to life than losing a sporting event.

Jesus, did I just love one of your posts? I’m going to go take a mouthful of painkillers and end it

Sorry Adislav I did my best, i really tried. Apart from telling every poster one by one that you were NOT BEING F*CKING SERIOUS I don't know what else I can do. You're on your own now I'm afraid.

candyslim wrote: ↑09 May 2021, 18:05 Tiny he is being ironic. He's taking the piss out of all the A-holes who believe a fighter should risk blindness or even death rather than concede defeat because of a bad injury.

What is it with us Brits and our orbital weakness? Must be all our roundabouts

It must be the lack of sunshine in the UK which makes us vitamin D deficient thus making our bones more brittle?

all good. it's getting pretty funny.

maybe i should have gone even more over the top to make the obvious irony instantly crystal clear for the dudes that are thick as a brick.

i guess i set the bar pretty low, not low enough it shows.

candyslim wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 18:39

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑11 May 2021, 13:47 quitting, and whether a quit was justified are 2 different things

I'd just rather people use a less pejorative term. "Quit", "Quitter", or "Quitting" just sounds so feeble, so inadequate even if it is accurate by definition. A fighter who suffers serious damage which threatens to end their career, their ability to ever recover should they elect to continue, even threatens to end their life in the worst cases, doesn't deserve to have their reputation tarnished with a miserable, derogatory word like"quit". It's a shitty word.

The best way to ensure people stop using the term is to ridicule BJS as much as possible for using it to denigrate others and then doing the same thing himself, which is what is happening.