do you rate ggg's draw/loss to canelo higher now?

[Enlightened-One]

Jacobs never pushed himself to win. Seemed co tent to lose and be close

Agreed.

It was a 116-112 victory for Canelo, though admittedly 115-113 would have been reasonable scorecard also.

Jacobs only won two of the first eight rounds of the Jacobs bout (1st & 7th).

Canelo then appeared to take a breather and coast during the 9th & 10th round, which Jacobs won, before the Mexican decided to retake the winning momentum during the 11th & 12th.

The only challenging rounds to score were the 3rd and the 7th. Canelo seemed to edge them, but a decent argument could be made about them being even.

[Impractical Poster]

do you rate ggg's draw/loss to canelo higher now?

Nope. And here's the reason why...

When Canelo faced GGG 3½ years ago, the Mexican was making the jump to being a fully-fledged middleweight, after typically weighing 155lbs or less.

He dared to be great by facing a bigger man that was also considered as true top-ten pound-for-pounder. And the outcome was controversial.

However, Canelo had only just turned 27 years of age and hadn’t reached his physical or pugilistic peak yet. He’s improved enormously since then and is now in his prime.

The Mexican has fully-matured, is bigger, stronger, more experienced and possesses a better skill set.

Simply put, GGG faced a weaker version of Canelo. And I’m not being intentionally derogatory about that either. In my mind, it’s a statement of fact that no one could refute.

The one thing that disappoints me about GGG is his refusal to take risks against world-rated opposition that are bigger than himself. He isn't brave enough to do what Canelo did during 2017.

He’s spent his entire career boasting about his ability to beat the best in heavier weight classes, but made no effort whatsoever to prove it. And that’s something that even the most fervent die-hard GGG fan couldn’t dispute.

In my mind, the first Canelo bout was Golovkin’s last hurrah. That was his career defining moment. The final time he looked like a beast.

Since then, he lost the rematch against Alvarez, was beaten by Derevyanchenko and the Martirosyan, Rolls and Szeremeta bouts were appalling mismatches.

GGG is now risk averse and refuses to face opposition more threatening than Jaime Munguia (likely his next opponent), because he’s trying to avoid tasting defeat, before he inevitably cashes out with one final lottery-winning Canelo mega payday.

Do you think that Floyd's win over Canelo is less impressive because he did not face the best version of Canelo?

[margaret thatcher]

50-50 poll, going down to the f@cking wire guys

[Loki]

I had GGG winning both fights. The 1st clearly, the second by two rounds (but it was close) and I wouldn’t argue with a draw.

[Loki]

Just watched Golovkin-Canelo II again. It was a close fight, a good fight, high quality and hard-fought, a better bout than the first one.
Canelo was significantly better in the rematch, boxed in the centre of the ring much more and showed a great chin. Golovkin used a jabbing/boxing style more but still won six rounds in the rematch for me, 1, 4, 5, 7, 10 and 11. I gave Canelo the others for 6 rounds each for a 114-114 score, but some of the rounds were tough to score as both men had their moments in several of them.
As I thought Golovkin won the first fight 8 rounds to 4, 116-112, I don't think Canelo has definitively beaten him yet to this day. I feel GGG was a little unlucky to lose his titles overall, but it is what it is.

Agree. I had him winning both but I wouldn’t argue with a draw for the second (which was a great fight and did show how tough Canelo is - he took some great shots).