The Gratest wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 17:45
The Motor City Cobra.
Eubank Sr believes Tommy has the best jab ever.
Carried it up through the weights, as effective as a skinny welterweight all the way up to a muscled up light heavy.
Re: what makes a good jab?
Posted: 19 May 2021, 18:18
by coghaugen11
He outboxed Sugar Ray with dat
Re: what makes a good jab?
Posted: 19 May 2021, 20:03
by Monzon83
Sonny Liston had a heavy jab. Marvelous too. Both had very long reach for their weight class which obviously helps.
Mayweather too has a decent jab.
Re: what makes a good jab?
Posted: 19 May 2021, 20:52
by Cyclops
DrDuke wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 02:43
An ability to use the range makes it good. You gotta feel the distance, work with jab contantly, be able to follow with power punches, be ready for counters.
Fury has a one of the best jabs today, his anthropometrics and fighting style is exactly what's required.
Usyk is at the top here too. They both aren't bangers with Fury, but the jab of both works because they can do it right. They maul their opponents with jabs.
Kovalev at his best was like a swordsman with his jabs and power follow ups.
Basically, every top fighter can operate with it. Crawford, Spence, Golovkin, all of them have it. You can't be a top fighter without it.
However, Canelo seems to be a sorta exception, he doesn't seem too dependant on a jab, but he's very gifted in the other aspects.
I love Fury's jab and its variety. I like how he threw it just wide so that Wilder slipped it and moved into the right, I like it when he leaves it out and then frames the opponent with it to move them where he wants them (spotting and trying this in sparring made somebody I used to box with spit his dummy out and hasn't sparred with me since, because he didn't like how I was moving him around); I like how he left it out to blind Wilder so that he didn't see the right coming.
I also enjoyed Joyce's jab against Dubois, where it looked like an arm punch but he stepped with it so when it landed it had his full weight behind it. I was always taught to use torque to put power into punches, but Joyce's jab doesn't employ torque. Like I said, it's the step in with the full weight behind it. Interesting.
I like jabs. I'm a switch hitter so I use my left (which isn't powerful) to do all the prodding, blinding and framing, and when I switch to southpaw my opponents aren't used to dealing with a jab with power, because they think I don't have any, so It's my favourite punch.
It's certainly easier to f*ck with an opponent with a jab than rely on power punches, which people can see coming much easier. Just personal preference. It's a cliché, but jabs win fights.
Re: what makes a good jab?
Posted: 20 May 2021, 01:59
by coneye
I like to see a good jab ,, what a lot don't relize is ,, when performed correctly ,, they can do everything people speak about , but also be a very powerful punch ,, I used to spar my brother and was always very very wary of his jab ,,, Too be honest , he was a shit boxer ,,, You could read him , even count , when his jab was coming 1,2,3, he jabbed , 1,2,3, he jabbed , always the same time apart and the same speed and direction He never was that smart
But too be honest when he did land it , that punch felt like it was coming out the back of your head , the power he got out of it was tremendous ,, unfortunatly for him everything else he done was crap
Little side note , he developed that power straight away , always had it , and how he got it by early on when he first started , has he threw it he would stamp his foot , has he came in , He would practice on the bag , out of range and stepping in with the jab and a simutanious stamp of the lead foot ,, yet managed not to stamp the foot when boxing ..
Over the years , i told a few lads who lacked power to try that and it semmed to work for them .. Not saying thats how its done ,, you have to be careful of giving things away ,, but it certainly helps some , He would practice on the bag , One stamp with the punch , next one slide the foot ,,, also proves what i always say , a good coach pinches everyone's ideas .. So in fact a good coach is'nt a good coach , there a good theif
Re: what makes a good jab?
Posted: 20 May 2021, 02:38
by DrDuke
Cyclops wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 20:52
I also enjoyed Joyce's jab against Dubois, where it looked like an arm punch but he stepped with it so when it landed it had his full weight behind it. I was always taught to use torque to put power into punches, but Joyce's jab doesn't employ torque. Like I said, it's the step in with the full weight behind it. Interesting.
It was exactly an example of winning behind a jab alone.
Re: what makes a good jab?
Posted: 20 May 2021, 03:11
by jameswilson
Surprised Gary Cornish in the first 12 seconds of the AJ fight hasn’t been mentioned.
AJ must have felt like he was surrounded.
Re: what makes a good jab?
Posted: 20 May 2021, 03:22
by margaret thatcher
jameswilson wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 03:11
Surprised Gary Cornish in the first 12 seconds of the AJ fight hasn’t been mentioned.
AJ must have felt like he was surrounded.
give big gar proper credit now, it was the first 50 seconds
Re: what makes a good jab?
Posted: 20 May 2021, 06:27
by mickey1975
Kell Brook had a good one.
Re: what makes a good jab?
Posted: 20 May 2021, 07:59
by maverick23
mickey1975 wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 06:27
Kell Brook had a good one.
Good shout - Kell’s got/had a peach of a jab.
Calzaghe always had an excellent jab too.
Re: what makes a good jab?
Posted: 20 May 2021, 10:12
by coghaugen11
Didn’t see anything special about Calzaghe’s jab.
Re: what makes a good jab?
Posted: 20 May 2021, 10:16
by mickey1975
coghaugen11 wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 10:12
Didn’t see anything special about Calzaghe’s jab.
Did you ever watch him box? I didn't think you watched a lot 12st boxing in the 90's.
Re: what makes a good jab?
Posted: 20 May 2021, 10:18
by coghaugen11
Yeah, he didn’t get or stay behind it much for a European/British boxer. It wasn’t thrown with much authority. As if peppering a double-end ball.
Re: what makes a good jab?
Posted: 20 May 2021, 10:20
by coghaugen11
Big Joe was a scrapper for 95+% of his career.
Re: what makes a good jab?
Posted: 20 May 2021, 10:25
by maverick23
coghaugen11 wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 10:18
Yeah, he didn’t get or stay behind it much for a European/British boxer. It wasn’t thrown with much authority. As if peppering a double-end ball.
His jab bailed him out of a couple of fights when his other went.
Re: what makes a good jab?
Posted: 20 May 2021, 10:38
by coghaugen11
True, the Evans Ashira fight. Evans was 5ft6 and a half.
Re: what makes a good jab?
Posted: 20 May 2021, 14:39
by Old bones Ian
coghaugen11 wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 16:51
Kid could dummy it too
Count with the ref as soon as Jarvis went to get up he waved it over , I made it 9 when he got up
coghaugen11 wrote: ↑19 May 2021, 16:51
Kid could dummy it too
Count with the ref as soon as Jarvis went to get up he waved it over , I made it 9 when he got up
Thank goodness he called it off. Could’ve been a terrible outcome otherwise.
Re: what makes a good jab?
Posted: 20 May 2021, 16:28
by coghaugen11
Eubank out-jabbed Watson (first fight) and Malinga in terrific chess matches, largely down to his acute head slips.
Re: what makes a good jab?
Posted: 21 May 2021, 05:40
by jameswilson
coghaugen11 wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 16:28
Eubank out-jabbed Watson (first fight) and Malinga in terrific chess matches, largely down to his acute head slips.
I remember Harry Carpenter saying ‘there are head slips and there are acute head slips. That was an acute head slip.’