BoxRec

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 May 2021, 20:10 if the man can drop the elite andy ruiz hard and hurt his ass multiple times, that's no joke. ruiz did well to recover and score the 2nd best win of his whole career

poor andy could barely land a punch in the aj rematch

I know, too out of shape to chase him all night. Worried him the couple of times he did land.

the type of masterclass boxing that wouldve made billy's bois proud

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑21 May 2021, 20:19 the type of masterclass boxing that wouldve made billy's bois proud

Who's Billy?

I like this fight ,, would'nt ever in a million years pay for it on PPV but i still like it ... Whyte should beat him but i think Chris has enough left in the tank to cause an upset .

I think it is a good fight and a better pre-fight build up.

Arreola can do some damage here, Whyte isn't the second coming and as proven with Povetkin - can be knocked out - Arreola is capable of doing a number on him.

What a disgrace. Why not to fight Ruiz? Hopefully, Arreola catches Whyte, if this sh!t happens.

DrDuke wrote: ↑22 May 2021, 05:13 What a disgrace. Why not to fight Ruiz? Hopefully, Arreola catches Whyte, if this sh!t happens.

Harsh. whyte is mando, fair for him to stall this time, he absolutely has the best resume of heavyweights who haven’t ever had a title shot. He has taken this fight to try and out preform Andy Ruiz, which he should do, but the Andy fight showed that arreola is still tough as nails and punches chance.

This fight is not "a disgrace".

It isn't great obviously, but it should be a good watch at least.

Arreola was in shape and pretty good last time out, so not a total mismatch either.

Arreola isn't relevant on the top 20 level. Ruiz handled him quite easily, apart of blowing a couple of rounds.

Whyte's championship opportunities are barely better than Usyk's or Joyce's ones. Whyte has recently lost to Povetkin.

Whyte-Arreola fight doesn't look competetive, it will be another keep-busy affair for an arguable contender instead of a fight for the true contender status, a fight of top fighters. Ruiz-Whyte would have been the least thing.

Arreola is an old gatekeeper, who is coming of a loss streak. You don't fight such guys, when you consider yourself a contender. Whyte-Arreola is a mismatch.

That's why it's pure f*cking disgrace.

if we get pissed at dilly for his opposition gotta do the same to just about every hw to be fair

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 02:36 if we get pissed at dilly for his opposition gotta do the same to just about every hw to be fair

Not exactly pissed, but it's indeed comparable with the others, that's the point. He's not the best f*cking contender, like he says, he needs some things to prove instead of fighting old gatekeepers with losing streaks.

I know it’s not actually his American debut but I can see, given what happened with AJ why Eddie would be cautious with American debuts going forward.

Liston Like Jab wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 05:53

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 04:12

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 02:36 if we get pissed at dilly for his opposition gotta do the same to just about every hw to be fair

Not exactly pissed, but it's indeed comparable with the others, that's the point. He's not the best f*cking contender, like he says, he needs some things to prove instead of fighting old gatekeepers with losing streaks.

Who would you match him against who is available, affordable and realistic?

Washington, not cause he is better, because he is chinny and you need a good ko on debut in the USA.

Liston Like Jab wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 05:53

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 04:12

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 02:36 if we get pissed at dilly for his opposition gotta do the same to just about every hw to be fair

Not exactly pissed, but it's indeed comparable with the others, that's the point. He's not the best f*cking contender, like he says, he needs some things to prove instead of fighting old gatekeepers with losing streaks.

Who would you match him against who is available, affordable and realistic?

If it's possible to match him against Arreola, then it's possible to match him against Ruiz or Ortiz. If not them, than the likes of Joyce or Hrgovic. Those are real boxing matchups, featuring living bodies, not mismatches. That's how it should be, contenders determine the best one instead of trying to score winning streaks on mismatched opponents.

Liston Like Jab wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 09:18

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 06:05

Liston Like Jab wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 05:53

Who would you match him against who is available, affordable and realistic?

If it's possible to match him against Arreola, then it's possible to match him against Ruiz or Ortiz. If not them, than the likes of Joyce or Hrgovic. Those are real boxing matchups, featuring living bodies, not mismatches. That's how it should be, contenders determine the best one instead of trying to score winning streaks on mismatched opponents.

Ruiz has plans, as does Ortiz if you watched his last interview. Joyce isn't American and fights for Queensberry and Hrgovic is an unknown outside of hardcore fans.

He's already fought 4 of the Boxrec top ten and beaten 3 of them. You do know that, don't you?

Old and post-covid Povetkin should have already been retired and Chisora, of course, is so top fighter, that he always loses to other top fighters.

Liston Like Jab wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 09:35

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 09:24

Liston Like Jab wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 09:18

Ruiz has plans, as does Ortiz if you watched his last interview. Joyce isn't American and fights for Queensberry and Hrgovic is an unknown outside of hardcore fans.

He's already fought 4 of the Boxrec top ten and beaten 3 of them. You do know that, don't you?

Old and post-covid Povetkin should have already been retired and Chisora, of course, is so top fighter, that he always loses to other top fighters.

I think you've got an issue with Whyte or Hearn. Whyte is ranked in the top 4 by BoxRec and TBRB and has already beaten a lot of the top guys. He wanted the Wilder fight, but didn't get it. Is it personal?

No issues at all. He just isn't the best contender now, while he tries to get his shot with fighting different arreolas.

Liston Like Jab wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 10:16

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 09:39

Liston Like Jab wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 09:35

I think you've got an issue with Whyte or Hearn. Whyte is ranked in the top 4 by BoxRec and TBRB and has already beaten a lot of the top guys. He wanted the Wilder fight, but didn't get it. Is it personal?

No issues at all. He just isn't the best contender now, while he tries to get his shot with fighting different arreolas.

Nonsense. Both the major independent rankings have him at #4 behind Fury, Joshua and Wilder. He's earned that by fighting tough opposition.

What makes him more deserving than Usyk or Ruiz, or Joyce?

Nothing wrong with this matchup. Why Whyte gets stick for this considering the resume full of names is silly.

oogiebe wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 10:40 Nothing wrong with this matchup. Why Whyte gets stick for this considering the resume full of names is silly.

Silly is to look only on names. His win over 40 year old Povetkin with post-covid syndrom is a worthless formality. He hasn't won a living body since Rivas, which was 2 years ago. He was a more deserving contender back then in comparison to the current situation.

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 10:47

oogiebe wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 10:40 Nothing wrong with this matchup. Why Whyte gets stick for this considering the resume full of names is silly.

Silly is to look only on names. His win over 40 year old Povetkin with post-covid syndrom is a worthless formality. He hasn't won a living body since Rivas, which was 2 years ago. He was a more deserving contender back then in comparison to the current situation.

How do you rate Chris with regards to Wallin?

Liston Like Jab wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 10:53

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 10:24

Liston Like Jab wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 10:16

Nonsense. Both the major independent rankings have him at #4 behind Fury, Joshua and Wilder. He's earned that by fighting tough opposition.

What makes him more deserving than Usyk or Ruiz, or Joyce?

Errr, because he's fought better opponents?

He hasn't won a living body in two years FFS.

oogiebe wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 10:54

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 10:47

oogiebe wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 10:40 Nothing wrong with this matchup. Why Whyte gets stick for this considering the resume full of names is silly.

Silly is to look only on names. His win over 40 year old Povetkin with post-covid syndrom is a worthless formality. He hasn't won a living body since Rivas, which was 2 years ago. He was a more deserving contender back then in comparison to the current situation.

How do you rate Chris with regards to Wallin?

Wallin is better than Arreola has ever been.

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 10:58

Liston Like Jab wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 10:53

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 10:24

What makes him more deserving than Usyk or Ruiz, or Joyce?

Errr, because he's fought better opponents?

He hasn't won a living body in two years FFS.

He should have taken the AJ fight when it was offered to him.

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 10:59

oogiebe wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 10:54

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 10:47

Silly is to look only on names. His win over 40 year old Povetkin with post-covid syndrom is a worthless formality. He hasn't won a living body since Rivas, which was 2 years ago. He was a more deserving contender back then in comparison to the current situation.

How do you rate Chris with regards to Wallin?

Wallin is better than Arreola has ever been.

Ohhhh...ok. So I'm guessing you won't be watching this fight. Just commenting on the matchup.

Allas wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 11:49

Liston Like Jab wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 09:35

DrDuke wrote: ↑23 May 2021, 09:24

Old and post-covid Povetkin should have already been retired and Chisora, of course, is so top fighter, that he always loses to other top fighters.

I think you've got an issue with Whyte or Hearn. Whyte is ranked in the top 4 by BoxRec and TBRB and has already beaten a lot of the top guys. He wanted the Wilder fight, but didn't get it. Is it personal?

If he wanted the Wilder fight he shouldn’t have turned down 2 final eliminators for it. Both guys he turned down eliminators against went on to fight Wilder.

Whyte is the biggest fraud in British boxing.

Yeh, he turned down the IBF eliminator, then actually got offered a unified world title shot at Wembley and refused.