Caractacus wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 14:28
but the "Sugar Man" himself was in the ring for the fight.
and That is what is known in various courts as a " Primary Witness" (if there ever was one.)
Those obviously biased "Belgium-centric" newspaper writers must have been covering up for Jan de Bruin to save face for their countryman knowing other Nations would have read about it somewhere.
The only problem with an autobiography is that you could put anything you want in there and no one is going to check your work. I understand in Rocky Graziano's AB, he stated that he beat middleweight champ Fred Apostoli (he didn't, he beat a clubfighter named Ted Apostoli - no relation). So I would say, take an AB with a grain of salt.
Well said scartissue. You can never trust an autobiography. Even one by the great man himself.
This is the report from Boxing News and it settles the matter.
Miles Templeton
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
scartissue wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 23:19The only problem with an autobiography is that you could put anything you want in there and no one is going to check your work. I understand in Rocky Graziano's AB, he stated that he beat middleweight champ Fred Apostoli (he didn't, he beat a clubfighter named Ted Apostoli - no relation). So I would say, take an AB with a grain of salt.
Well said scartissue. You can never trust an autobiography. Even one by the great man himself.
This is the report from Boxing News and it settles the matter.
Miles Templeton
Thanks for posting the clipping, very interesting.
Amazing to read BN worried about Robinson getting in enough rounds ahead of Turpin, when he'd already fought 4 times in the previous 2 months and would fight another 3 times before facing Turpin the following month. Different times.
Also interesting that BN clearly felt Turpin was a threat to Robinson.
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Posted: 04 Jun 2021, 14:28
by scartissue
I just rewatched 2 fights that I recalled fit this category. The first was the middleweight title bout between Rodrigo Valdes and Max Cohen of France. In the 4th, Cohen did indeed turn his back with enough is enough (watched a bit of a grainy film and in the 4th I couldn't help but say to myself, "Man, Cohen looks an awful lot like Larry from the 3 stooges." (no disrespect)
The second was Carlos Zarate against Spain's Juan Francisco Rodriguez. And, although the Spaniard did not turn his back, he did raise his arm in surrender. The funny thing was - I remembered this from the first time I saw the bout - not every fighter outside of Europe is aware of this white flag and, as in this bout, Zarate didn't know what he was doing and kept punching.
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Posted: 04 Jun 2021, 14:38
by Caractacus
Came across another such incident which coincidently happened just a few months earlier in 1951.
Archie Moore was boxing "Broadway" Billy Smith in Portland Oregon.
Moore had the edge for the first 5 rounds but picked up the tempo in round 6 and knocked Billy Smith down.
then in the 8th round Moore knocked Smith to the canvas twice.
after the second time Smith just got up then jumped over the ropes and then ran to the dressing room
and didn't come back.
His purse was suspended as a result. Smith claimed it was because of his own cornermen.
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Posted: 04 Jun 2021, 15:19
by Tony1244
Max Cohen turned his back on Rodrigo Valdez.
Boxing has been compared to chess and when a person or computer has me beat, I know it. Of course, people aren't buying ticket stubs and complaining when I quit.
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Caractacus wrote: ↑03 Jun 2021, 14:28
but the "Sugar Man" himself was in the ring for the fight.
and That is what is known in various courts as a " Primary Witness" (if there ever was one.)
Those obviously biased "Belgium-centric" newspaper writers must have been covering up for Jan de Bruin to save face for their countryman knowing other Nations would have read about it somewhere.
The only problem with an autobiography is that you could put anything you want in there and no one is going to check your work. I understand in Rocky Graziano's AB, he stated that he beat middleweight champ Fred Apostoli (he didn't, he beat a clubfighter named Ted Apostoli - no relation). So I would say, take an AB with a grain of salt.
Well said scartissue. You can never trust an autobiography. Even one by the great man himself.
This is the report from Boxing News and it settles the matter.
Miles Templeton
The matter is Settled ? LOL,
but there is more then one way to interpet a newspaper article from a reporter at ringside.
you also gotta consider what was left out of that article.
It certainly does say that de Bruin had raised his left arm midway thru the eighth round/
( but does not mention he raised it while holding Robinson's right arm)
how would the news reporter exactly know what de Bruin was thinking or feeling or if he wasn't even hurt ?,
sounds like the reporter is trying to make excuses for de Bruin quitting.
BTW the author of the article doesn't even give his name to it.
that is what is known in the newspaper buisness as a "Hack" reporter.
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Posted: 04 Jun 2021, 16:31
by Caractacus
not in the middle but more toward the 9th round.
( but Tate was well already on the way out by then)
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Posted: 08 Jun 2021, 07:59
by gregor
Andrew Golota did it on two occassions (vs Grant and vs Tyson).
edit: unless you meant literally turning their back, vs Tyson he quit between rounds
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Posted: 09 Jun 2021, 06:53
by evrenb
Qawi against Foreman
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Posted: 09 Jun 2021, 07:07
by Fray Bentos
evrenb wrote: ↑09 Jun 2021, 06:53
Qawi against Foreman
I don't fornicating blame him!
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑28 May 2021, 17:51
usually he made the lads turn their back ....
Paul Sykes looks a bit like a heavier Brian Mitchell...
Ha that’s exactly what I thought
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Posted: 21 Jun 2021, 16:34
by rob h
On a much lower level, Michael Gomez when he turned his back on Peter McDonagh for the Irish Title.. Gomez was accused of foul play, but commented that he just couldn't be bothered.
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Posted: 24 Jun 2021, 16:38
by Ambling Alp II
gregor wrote: ↑08 Jun 2021, 07:59
Andrew Golota did it on two occassions (vs Grant and vs Tyson).
edit: unless you meant literally turning their back, vs Tyson he quit between rounds
I think he means literally during the round. There are a lots of examples when a fighter did it between rounds.
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Posted: 26 Jun 2021, 02:57
by bollocks
Edwin Rosario from memory turned and walked away from Jose Luis Ramirez in their rematch as he was about to be KO'd. I'd say instinctive self preservation autopiiot kicked in and I'd never hang it on a fighter for turning away. It takes some serious guts to get into the ring in the first place
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Posted: 26 Jun 2021, 13:22
by Caractacus
joe Frazier didn't quit but it looked like he turned his back in the fourth KD but that may have been just from the momentum of George Foreman's punches.
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Posted: 26 Jun 2021, 14:53
by bollocks
I'd say that was well and truly involuntary. If Joe Frazier's name comes up in a thread with the work 'quit' in the title then there's something very wrong
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Posted: 26 Jun 2021, 15:08
by DrDuke
bollocks wrote: ↑26 Jun 2021, 14:53
I'd say that was well and truly involuntary. If Joe Frazier's name comes up in a thread with the work 'quit' in the title then there's something very wrong
Furthermore, your username perfectly fits such situation.
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Posted: 26 Jun 2021, 23:47
by allworld80
Oliver McCall vs Lewis
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Posted: 29 Jun 2021, 14:56
by Caractacus
this was the first fight that came to mind, that I remember watching on television.
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Posted: 03 Jul 2021, 12:06
by Caractacus
more like had turned their 'bum" to the canvas rather.
( I think Mike Tyson had shown up for this fight with all the energy of going to one of those Adult Con/Porno Expos in Las Vegas to sign autographs in the booth there)
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Posted: 04 Jul 2021, 05:45
by margaret thatcher
in k1 ray mercer turned away and quit from a kick in 20 seconds
Re: Boxers who turned their back and quit in the middle of a fight
Posted: 08 Jul 2021, 19:18
by Caractacus
Looks like Mugabi may have been thumbed tho.
and he didn't quit, the ref waved the fight off.
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