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Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 31 Aug 2021, 16:53
by handsofstone
Also might explain why Canelo wanted to wait until November

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 31 Aug 2021, 17:07
by Ruthless-RKO
caldo2025 wrote: 31 Aug 2021, 16:52
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 31 Aug 2021, 14:15 diuretic helps increase the passing of urine.

Valdez has moved up in weight..

Now there’s gonna be doubts over his win against Berchelt.
Easy does it dude. Let’s not take that kind of leap here. I’m very familiar with water pills as they were huge in college while attempting to make weight. In one night, I could flush 15 pounds down the toilet. But where you may have a point is in the timing of this. Why the hell is Oscar taking this water pill nowhere close to fight night? That is extremely sketchy.

The MO with water pills is to take them one to two days before weigh in. The reason being bc they sap you of nutrients and strength. But if you quickly replenish them right after making weight, your body is tricked into bouncing right back. But why is Oscar taking these water pills over a week before a fight? Perhaps it’s not about weight but illegal drugs in his system during camp? It’s a leap but I have no idea why anyone would take these so far ahead of a weigh in.
And he moved up in weight meaning cutting less weight. Unless his walkaround weight has gone up.

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 31 Aug 2021, 17:08
by Ruthless-RKO
handsofstone wrote: 31 Aug 2021, 16:53 Also might explain why Canelo wanted to wait until November
Reynoso’s lads taking everything and anything they can in the book.

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 31 Aug 2021, 17:25
by handsofstone
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 31 Aug 2021, 17:08
handsofstone wrote: 31 Aug 2021, 16:53 Also might explain why Canelo wanted to wait until November
Reynoso’s lads taking everything and anything they can in the book.
Seems that way, damn shame I liked how his stable was coming on,

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 31 Aug 2021, 17:59
by lazboy
So...explain, I’m fairly naive with this stuff, is a diuretic effectively a masking agent? Something to flush and conceal other peds in the system?

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 31 Aug 2021, 18:06
by handsofstone
lazboy wrote: 31 Aug 2021, 17:59 So...explain, I’m fairly naive with this stuff, is a diuretic effectively a masking agent? Something to flush and conceal other peds in the system?
That's what's being said yeh, I'm clueless with this stuff myself

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 31 Aug 2021, 18:53
by Ruthless-RKO
lazboy wrote: 31 Aug 2021, 17:59 So...explain, I’m fairly naive with this stuff, is a diuretic effectively a masking agent? Something to flush and conceal other peds in the system?


So it’s not diuretic..

This drug treats obesity.

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 31 Aug 2021, 21:52
by lazboy
I'm seriously disappointed to hear this. Valdez's performance against Berchelt is probably my most fond boxing memory since Fury Wilder 2. Valdez looked flat out amazing.

Edit: Roman v Estrada was also special and comes to mind.

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 01 Sep 2021, 00:59
by Onetimeonly
Conte said this would enhance stamina. Diuretics make you piss.

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 01 Sep 2021, 02:53
by Ruthless-RKO
Oscar Valdez's A-sample test shows positive result for prohibited, central nervous-system stimulant, sources say

Oscar Valdez's A-sample tested positive for phentermine, a central-nervous stimulant prohibited by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association, multiple sources told ESPN on Tuesday.


Valdez is scheduled to defend his WBC 130-pound title against Robson Conceição on Sept. 10 in Tucson, Arizona, a Top Rank Boxing on ESPN+ main event.

The WBC will hold a videoconference meeting Wednesday with Valdez's attorney, Pat English, along with officials from Top Rank and the Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission, sources said. A ruling is expected thereafter. That commission sanctions very few fights annually, but since this bout falls under its jurisdiction and within its reservation, its participation is needed Wednesday.

Top Rank declined to comment, as did Valdez's manager, Frank Espinoza, and WBC president Mauricio Sulaiman. VADA founder Margaret Goodman didn't return a phone call seeking comment.

VADA informed involved parties of the test result on Sunday, sources said. The test was conducted as part of the WBC's Clean Boxing Program.

"I personally have given athletes phentermine, I know what it does. It is very powerful. It is like methamphetamine," Victor Conte, the founder of BALCO, told ESPN. Conte served time in prison after pleading guilty to conspiracy to distribute performance-enhancing drugs before founding SNAC, a sports nutrition company.

"You know why it's a performance-enhancing drug? Because it's a central-nervous stimulant," he added. "It accelerates your heart rate. It gives you energy. It gives you endurance. It gives you stamina. It makes it easier to breathe. Your training time to exhaustion would be much longer."

When fighters enroll in VADA testing, as Valdez did, they are notified that there is no distinction between in competition and out of competition. A list of the banned substances -- phentermine is on it -- are sent to the fighter.

The World Anti-Doping Agency considers phentermine a banned substance in competition but not out of competition. The in-competition period begins at 11:59 p.m. the day before the fight and extends to post-fight testing. However, VADA tests for all prohibited substances at all times.

"If you're not being tested for stimulants, there is a loophole so large you can drive a Mack truck through it," Conte said. "Which one of the 70 stimulants would you like to use?"

In a legal letter obtained by ESPN on Tuesday, English writes: "Mr. Valdez had no knowledge that he was taking Phentermine and that we believe at this point it comes from an herbal tea."

"It's not an herbal tea, the molecular structure of phentermine is not an herbal tea," Conte said. "It's dog-ate-my-homework stuff. No promoter wants to lose money. This is not in contained supplements. This is designed to help you cut weight. It's an appetite suppressant which is what you're doing when you're cutting weight.

"It's a prescription-only medication. Does he have a doctor's prescription? Let's see it."

VADA reports adverse analytical findings; it does not adjudicate. However, there is precedent for VADA's rules leading to punishment. Billy Joe Saunders tested positive for the banned stimulant oxilofrine ahead of his scheduled title defense vs. Demetrius Andrade in 2018. The substance was deemed out of competition by WADA, yet Massachusetts recognized the VADA violation and suspended Saunders. The fight was cancelled as a result.

Valdez, a 30-year-old Mexican could choose to have his B-sample opened following the ruling.

Top Rank promotes both Valdez and Conceição, yet the challenger's manager was not informed of the adverse finding by ESPN.

"I had no idea. I'm upset," said Conceição's Brazil-based manager, Sergio Batarelli. "I learn now from you by surprise."

Valdez, ESPN's No. 1 junior lightweight, won the title with a spectacular one-punch knockout of Miguel Berchelt in February, the leading contender for KO of the Year. The two-time Olympian was also a champion at 126 pounds.

Valdez (29-0, 23 KOs) was defeated by Conceição when they met in the gold-medal match of the 2009 Pan American Games. Conceição (16-0, 8 KOs) went on to win gold at the 2016 Olympic Games. The 32-year-old Brazilian is unranked by ESPN.

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 01 Sep 2021, 02:54
by Ruthless-RKO

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 01 Sep 2021, 02:55
by Ruthless-RKO

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 01 Sep 2021, 02:56
by Ruthless-RKO

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 01 Sep 2021, 03:01
by margaret thatcher
jean pascal loved wada

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 01 Sep 2021, 03:12
by Ruthless-RKO
A prescription is needed for phentermine

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 01 Sep 2021, 03:19
by margaret thatcher
maybe he just had asthma, like our entire cycling team :lol:

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 01 Sep 2021, 05:18
by Ruthless-RKO
Andy Ruiz probably used the same drugs to lose all that weight.

Valdez is new to the WBC..

WBO didn't have all this additional testing in place.

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 01 Sep 2021, 10:53
by Ruthless-RKO

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 01 Sep 2021, 10:53
by Ruthless-RKO

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 01 Sep 2021, 14:11
by Ruthless-RKO

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 01 Sep 2021, 14:52
by Ruthless-RKO

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 01 Sep 2021, 18:14
by Ruthless-RKO

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 02 Sep 2021, 09:06
by Ruthless-RKO

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 02 Sep 2021, 14:01
by caldo2025
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 31 Aug 2021, 17:07
caldo2025 wrote: 31 Aug 2021, 16:52
Ruthless-RKO wrote: 31 Aug 2021, 14:15 diuretic helps increase the passing of urine.

Valdez has moved up in weight..

Now there’s gonna be doubts over his win against Berchelt.
Easy does it dude. Let’s not take that kind of leap here. I’m very familiar with water pills as they were huge in college while attempting to make weight. In one night, I could flush 15 pounds down the toilet. But where you may have a point is in the timing of this. Why the hell is Oscar taking this water pill nowhere close to fight night? That is extremely sketchy.

The MO with water pills is to take them one to two days before weigh in. The reason being bc they sap you of nutrients and strength. But if you quickly replenish them right after making weight, your body is tricked into bouncing right back. But why is Oscar taking these water pills over a week before a fight? Perhaps it’s not about weight but illegal drugs in his system during camp? It’s a leap but I have no idea why anyone would take these so far ahead of a weigh in.
And he moved up in weight meaning cutting less weight. Unless his walkaround weight has gone up.
Never mind my yapping. A stimulant is much different than diuretic and now makes complete sense to be taking it when he did. It helps performance in camp which equates to weight loss and all that good stuff. No idea how it’s legal but I don’t even care. Boxing is such a freaking joke right now. All that they do is tweet and still each weekend we have no fights. Thank God American Football is back next week. Go screw boxing

Re: Oscar Valdez vs. Robson Conceica - September 10, 2021

Posted: 02 Sep 2021, 14:44
by Ruthless-RKO