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Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 06:25 I didn't see Beterbeiv's last fight, but read he is fading and showing his age. Add a rehydration clause, etc. Sure, Canelo will fight him. Canelo is smart enough to wait guys out, like he did with GGG.

Canelo is too damn strong and skilled. His defense and offense are top notch. He'd beat Beterbiev who is old enough and he's fading.

Canelo vs Bivol would be an interesting fight @ 175lbs.

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 06:25 I didn't see Beterbeiv's last fight, but read he is fading and showing his age. Add a rehydration clause, etc. Sure, Canelo will fight him. Canelo is smart enough to wait guys out, like he did with GGG.

Wait out GGG? That’s a little unfair. Canelo was still fighting light middleweights (including an inflated Cotto) up until he fought Chavez. He would’ve been foolish to pass on the Chavez Jr. fight on Cinco de Mayo. GGG was prime but not a big sell just yet. Knocking out the likes of Dominic Wade does not exactly beckon for Saul to book you as his next PPV. They fought the first fight when it was nice and ripe.

As for waiting out Beter, you probably have a better point. Canelo will likely spend the rest of career Mayweathering people and cashing in on big Mexican fights (Zurdo incoming). That being said why would he fight Beter this year when he’s one strap away from being undisputed at 168?

They are probably just throwing out these other names atm to get Plant to come to terms on the money, which he will probably do. I don't think Plant is a better opponent than Saunders or Smith or that more people believe that he can win. He has only the bargaining chip that he possesses the last piece of Canelo's goal of undisputed.

The Asleep Lamps wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 10:54 They are probably just throwing out these other names atm to get Plant to come to terms on the money, which he will probably do. I don't think Plant is a better opponent than Saunders or Smith or that more people believe that he can win. He has only the bargaining chip that he possesses the last piece of Canelo's goal of undisputed.

Good point.

bobcatbox wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 10:45

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 06:25 I didn't see Beterbeiv's last fight, but read he is fading and showing his age. Add a rehydration clause, etc. Sure, Canelo will fight him. Canelo is smart enough to wait guys out, like he did with GGG.

Wait out GGG? That’s a little unfair. Canelo was still fighting light middleweights (including an inflated Cotto) up until he fought Chavez. He would’ve been foolish to pass on the Chavez Jr. fight on Cinco de Mayo. GGG was prime but not a big sell just yet. Knocking out the likes of Dominic Wade does not exactly beckon for Saul to book you as his next PPV. They fought the first fight when it was nice and ripe.

As for waiting out Beter, you probably have a better point. Canelo will likely spend the rest of career Mayweathering people and cashing in on big Mexican fights (Zurdo incoming). That being said why would he fight Beter this year when he’s one strap away from being undisputed at 168?

If I remember right, it was after the fight with mighty Amir Khan when Canelo dropped his WBC belt to avoid GGG, who he fought about 1 yr later. He also didn't want to fight Andrade (boring, horrible boxer he says) for his belt, but jumped at the chance to fight Liam Smith after Andrade was stripped. We all have seen how talented JCCjr is, who he also fought before finally fighting GGG.

bobcatbox wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 10:45

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 06:25 I didn't see Beterbeiv's last fight, but read he is fading and showing his age. Add a rehydration clause, etc. Sure, Canelo will fight him. Canelo is smart enough to wait guys out, like he did with GGG.

Wait out GGG? That’s a little unfair. Canelo was still fighting light middleweights (including an inflated Cotto) up until he fought Chavez. He would’ve been foolish to pass on the Chavez Jr. fight on Cinco de Mayo. GGG was prime but not a big sell just yet. Knocking out the likes of Dominic Wade does not exactly beckon for Saul to book you as his next PPV. They fought the first fight when it was nice and ripe.

As for waiting out Beter, you probably have a better point. Canelo will likely spend the rest of career Mayweathering people and cashing in on big Mexican fights (Zurdo incoming). That being said why would he fight Beter this year when he’s one strap away from being undisputed at 168?

Well you have right. Indeed GGG wasn't a known fighter and he was dangerous too but also when Canelo fought him G was 34-35 y/o and that was not prime anymore for G. Also I think Canelo was cutting weight and draining himself to make that 154 lbs limit. He was back then a stocky-big framed fighter @ Jr MW.

And yeah, Canelo learnt a lot from FMJ in terms of picking and timing.

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 11:27

bobcatbox wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 10:45

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 06:25 I didn't see Beterbeiv's last fight, but read he is fading and showing his age. Add a rehydration clause, etc. Sure, Canelo will fight him. Canelo is smart enough to wait guys out, like he did with GGG.

Wait out GGG? That’s a little unfair. Canelo was still fighting light middleweights (including an inflated Cotto) up until he fought Chavez. He would’ve been foolish to pass on the Chavez Jr. fight on Cinco de Mayo. GGG was prime but not a big sell just yet. Knocking out the likes of Dominic Wade does not exactly beckon for Saul to book you as his next PPV. They fought the first fight when it was nice and ripe.

As for waiting out Beter, you probably have a better point. Canelo will likely spend the rest of career Mayweathering people and cashing in on big Mexican fights (Zurdo incoming). That being said why would he fight Beter this year when he’s one strap away from being undisputed at 168?

If I remember right, it was after the fight with mighty Amir Khan when Canelo dropped his WBC belt to avoid GGG, who he fought about 1 yr later. He also didn't want to fight Andrade (boring, horrible boxer he says) for his belt, but jumped at the chance to fight Liam Smith after Andrade was stripped. We all have seen how talented JCCjr is, who he also fought before finally fighting GGG.

That's true too. I could understand the fight with JCCjr due of his name but the fights vs a chiny ww in Khan and a belt holder like Smith are just pure cherry pickings.

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 11:27If I remember right, it was after the fight with mighty Amir Khan when Canelo dropped his WBC belt to avoid GGG, who he fought about 1 yr later.

Nope! You're wrong and this is basic stuff!

Canelo vacated his WBC title after Mauricio Sulaimán's governing body moved the goalposts by suddenly imposing an impossible 15-day deadline for GBP & K2 to come to an agreement for the Alvarez-GGG bout, despite the fact that both Canelo and Golden Boy were physically in Florida attending court addressing the $27m All Star Boxing lawsuit.

Mauricio Sulaimán's unreasonable actions soured the WBC’s relationship with Canelo, to the point that the Mexican refused to even pay sanctioning fees to the WBC, refusing to consider claiming ownership of that title had he defeated GGG in their first bout.

This is heavily-publicised stuff!

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 11:27He also didn't want to fight Andrade (boring, horrible boxer he says) for his belt, but jumped at the chance to fight Liam Smith after Andrade was stripped.

Demetrius Andrade was stripped of his WBO world 154lbs title for failing to defend it within a nine-month period, immediately after rejecting a career-high payday when he blatantly ducked Jermell Charlo.

When Canelo faced Liam Smith, the Brit held the WBO's 154lbs title. And at that moment in time, Andrade was merely a challenger rated 6th by The RING, he was inactive and whenever he did compete, he ended up facing anonymous no-hopers, such as: Dario Fabian Pucheta, Willie Nelson and Jack Culcay.

Facts mean more than feelings or opinions!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:00

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 11:27If I remember right, it was after the fight with mighty Amir Khan when Canelo dropped his WBC belt to avoid GGG, who he fought about 1 yr later.

Nope! You're wrong and this is basic stuff!

Demetrius Andrade was stripped of his WBO world 154lbs title for failing to defend it within a nine-month period, immediately after rejecting a career-high payday when he blatantly ducked Jermell Charlo.

When Canelo faced Liam Smith, the Brit held the WBO's 154lbs title. And at that moment in time, Andrade was merely a challenger rated 6th by The RING, he was inactive and whenever he did compete, he ended up facing anonymous no-hopers, such as: Dario Fabian Pucheta, Willie Nelson and Jack Culcay.

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 11:27He also didn't want to fight Andrade (boring, horrible boxer he says) for his belt, but jumped at the chance to fight Liam Smith after Andrade was stripped. We all have seen how talented JCCjr is, who he also fought before finally fighting GGG.

Canelo vacated his WBC title after Mauricio Sulaimán's governing body moved the goalposts by suddenly imposing an impossible 15-day deadline for GBP & K2 to come to an agreement for the Alvarez-GGG bout, despite the fact that both Canelo and Golden Boy were physically in Florida attending court addressing the $27m All Star Boxing lawsuit.

Facts mean more than feelings or opinions!

Andrade refused the fight after being told of his purse, $250,000 in a fight that was made without talking to him, and also on short notice. Poor management and communication. He would be the only one on the card with a belt, but wasn't the highest paid. The fight was never finalized, so it isn't a blatant duck. He also signed his part to fight Charlo the next month, and Charlo signed to fight Vanes M. Facts.

Once GGG looked somewhat vulnerable, like he did against Jacobs, Canelo finally fought him. 1.5 yrs after dropping his belt. Facts

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:10

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:00

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 11:27If I remember right, it was after the fight with mighty Amir Khan when Canelo dropped his WBC belt to avoid GGG, who he fought about 1 yr later.

Nope! You're wrong and this is basic stuff!

Demetrius Andrade was stripped of his WBO world 154lbs title for failing to defend it within a nine-month period, immediately after rejecting a career-high payday when he blatantly ducked Jermell Charlo.

When Canelo faced Liam Smith, the Brit held the WBO's 154lbs title. And at that moment in time, Andrade was merely a challenger rated 6th by The RING, he was inactive and whenever he did compete, he ended up facing anonymous no-hopers, such as: Dario Fabian Pucheta, Willie Nelson and Jack Culcay.

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 11:27He also didn't want to fight Andrade (boring, horrible boxer he says) for his belt, but jumped at the chance to fight Liam Smith after Andrade was stripped. We all have seen how talented JCCjr is, who he also fought before finally fighting GGG.

Canelo vacated his WBC title after Mauricio Sulaimán's governing body moved the goalposts by suddenly imposing an impossible 15-day deadline for GBP & K2 to come to an agreement for the Alvarez-GGG bout, despite the fact that both Canelo and Golden Boy were physically in Florida attending court addressing the $27m All Star Boxing lawsuit.

Facts mean more than feelings or opinions!

Andrade refused the fight after being told of his purse, $250,000 in a fight that was made without talking to him, and also on short notice. Poor management and communication. He would be the only one on the card with a belt, but wasn't the highest paid. The fight was never finalized, so it isn't a blatant duck. He also signed his part to fight Charlo the next month, and Charlo signed to fight Vanes M. Facts.

Andrade was offered a career-high sum for the Charlo bout.

Showtime apparently offered $500K. And the same source claiming the purse was only $250K revised the sum to $300K, with that amount also being a career-high amount.

Facts.

You’ve failed to debunk one claim, should I assume you wholeheartedly agree with everything else I wrote?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:20

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:10

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:00
Nope! You're wrong and this is basic stuff!

Demetrius Andrade was stripped of his WBO world 154lbs title for failing to defend it within a nine-month period, immediately after rejecting a career-high payday when he blatantly ducked Jermell Charlo.

When Canelo faced Liam Smith, the Brit held the WBO's 154lbs title. And at that moment in time, Andrade was merely a challenger rated 6th by The RING, he was inactive and whenever he did compete, he ended up facing anonymous no-hopers, such as: Dario Fabian Pucheta, Willie Nelson and Jack Culcay.

Canelo vacated his WBC title after Mauricio Sulaimán's governing body moved the goalposts by suddenly imposing an impossible 15-day deadline for GBP & K2 to come to an agreement for the Alvarez-GGG bout, despite the fact that both Canelo and Golden Boy were physically in Florida attending court addressing the $27m All Star Boxing lawsuit.

Facts mean more than feelings or opinions!

Andrade refused the fight after being told of his purse, $250,000 in a fight that was made without talking to him, and also on short notice. Poor management and communication. He would be the only one on the card with a belt, but wasn't the highest paid. The fight was never finalized, so it isn't a blatant duck. He also signed his part to fight Charlo the next month, and Charlo signed to fight Vanes M. Facts.

Andrade was offered a career-high sum for the Charlo bout.

Showtime apparently offered $500K. And the same source claiming the purse was only $250K revised the sum to $300K, with that amount also being a career-high amount.

Facts.

So a month later, in January, after the price is raised Andrade was willing to fight, but suddenly Charlo wasn't. Is Mall Charlo turning down a well documented $7 million from Hearn a blatant duck? I suppose not if you like Charlo better than Andrade.

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:29

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:20

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:10

Andrade refused the fight after being told of his purse, $250,000 in a fight that was made without talking to him, and also on short notice. Poor management and communication. He would be the only one on the card with a belt, but wasn't the highest paid. The fight was never finalized, so it isn't a blatant duck. He also signed his part to fight Charlo the next month, and Charlo signed to fight Vanes M. Facts.

Andrade was offered a career-high sum for the Charlo bout.

Showtime apparently offered $500K. And the same source claiming the purse was only $250K revised the sum to $300K, with that amount also being a career-high amount.

Facts.

So a month later, in January, after the price is raised Andrade was willing to fight, but suddenly Charlo wasn't. Is Mall Charlo turning down a well documented $7 million from Hearn a blatant duck? I suppose not if you like Charlo better than Andrade.

So you’re not refuting any of my claims? You’ve resorted to discussing other matters!

Take a look at these quotes/articles and let me have your thoughts?

"Demetrius Andrade appeals WBO decision to strip him of title"

Andrade turned down a career-high offer of $550,000 from his co-promoters, Joe DeGuardia of Star Boxing and Artie Pelullo of Banner Promotions, to face Jermell Charlo in December 2014 as part of a larger multi-fight contract offer from Showtime.

"Demetrius Andrade appeals to WBO, offers reasons why his title should not be stripped"

A copy of the aforementioned fight contract, which Andrade signed on January 14, 2015 to fight Charlo for $300,000, was also included as evidence to support Andrade's claim. Andrade stated that the signed contract proves that it was, in fact, Charlo's team, not Andrade, that pulled out of the bout. However, Andrade's co-promoter, Artie Pellulo, told USA TODAY Sports several weeks ago it was Andrade who pulled out of the Charlo fight.

The above articles refer to Andrade rejecting a career-high purse for a December 2014 fight and then withdrawing from a bout he'd signed a contract for in January 2015 (for a bout scheduled in Spring the same year, where he was receiving another career-high amount).

Thanks for arguing this point with me, because the additional research proves beyond a shadow of doubt that Demetrius Andrade didn't just duck Jermell Charlo once, but he actually did it TWICE!

Come on Bandog! Please try to undermine some of the other facts I previously conveyed.

Al Haymon is a cancer on the sport.

Let the best fight the best!

Didn’t mean to get EO backing me up but he does come in pretty heavy with the facts.

GGG was 35 when he fought Canelo but widely considered the best or second best middleweight in the world, an extremely dangerous opponent, and a tough matchup for Canelo.

To say that Canelo intentionally timed the fight right after GGG had a tough match with Jacobs is quite cynical. He fought JCC in May for the big Cinco De Mayo payday. Just good business. JCC, while heavily criticized, was a very big opponent for Canelo, although completely outclassed. Canelo then immediately fought GGG. As stated above, the delay of one year after the Khan fight was not the fault of Canelo. If anything it put the fight into the public eye. Something GGG’s handlers failed to do.

bobcatbox wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 17:31 Didn’t mean to get EO backing me up but he does come in pretty heavy with the facts.

GGG was 35 when he fought Canelo but widely considered the best or second best middleweight in the world, an extremely dangerous opponent, and a tough matchup for Canelo.

To say that Canelo intentionally timed the fight right after GGG had a tough match with Jacobs is quite cynical. He fought JCC in May for the big Cinco De Mayo payday. Just good business. JCC, while heavily criticized, was a very big opponent for Canelo, although completely outclassed. Canelo then immediately fought GGG. As stated above, the delay of one year after the Khan fight was not the fault of Canelo. If anything it put the fight into the public eye. Something GGG’s handlers failed to do.

bob and eo sitting in a tree

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:30

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:29

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:20
Andrade was offered a career-high sum for the Charlo bout.

Showtime apparently offered $500K. And the same source claiming the purse was only $250K revised the sum to $300K, with that amount also being a career-high amount.

Facts.

So a month later, in January, after the price is raised Andrade was willing to fight, but suddenly Charlo wasn't. Is Mall Charlo turning down a well documented $7 million from Hearn a blatant duck? I suppose not if you like Charlo better than Andrade.

So you’re not refuting any of my claims? You’ve resorted to discussing other matters!

Take a look at these quotes/articles and let me have your thoughts?

"Demetrius Andrade appeals WBO decision to strip him of title"

Andrade turned down a career-high offer of $550,000 from his co-promoters, Joe DeGuardia of Star Boxing and Artie Pelullo of Banner Promotions, to face Jermell Charlo in December 2014 as part of a larger multi-fight contract offer from Showtime.

"Demetrius Andrade appeals to WBO, offers reasons why his title should not be stripped"

A copy of the aforementioned fight contract, which Andrade signed on January 14, 2015 to fight Charlo for $300,000, was also included as evidence to support Andrade's claim. Andrade stated that the signed contract proves that it was, in fact, Charlo's team, not Andrade, that pulled out of the bout. However, Andrade's co-promoter, Artie Pellulo, told USA TODAY Sports several weeks ago it was Andrade who pulled out of the Charlo fight.

The above articles refer to Andrade rejecting a career-high purse for a December 2014 fight and then withdrawing from a bout he'd signed a contract for in January 2015 (for a bout scheduled in Spring the same year, where he was receiving another career-high amount).

Thanks for arguing this point with me, because the additional research proves beyond a shadow of doubt that Demetrius Andrade didn't just duck Jermell Charlo once, but he actually did it TWICE!

Come on Bandog! Please try to undermine some of the other facts I previously conveyed.

I guess it comes down to what source and who said what that you believe, doesn't it? Everything on the internet is fact, right? Personally, I don't want to go back in forth on and beat a dead horse on something that happened 6-7 yrs ago. I care about fights now. I don't have the time, nor crayons to explain that to you.

Bandog wrote: ↑06 Jul 2021, 06:51

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:30

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:29

So a month later, in January, after the price is raised Andrade was willing to fight, but suddenly Charlo wasn't. Is Mall Charlo turning down a well documented $7 million from Hearn a blatant duck? I suppose not if you like Charlo better than Andrade.

So you’re not refuting any of my claims? You’ve resorted to discussing other matters!

Take a look at these quotes/articles and let me have your thoughts?

"Demetrius Andrade appeals WBO decision to strip him of title"

Andrade turned down a career-high offer of $550,000 from his co-promoters, Joe DeGuardia of Star Boxing and Artie Pelullo of Banner Promotions, to face Jermell Charlo in December 2014 as part of a larger multi-fight contract offer from Showtime.

"Demetrius Andrade appeals to WBO, offers reasons why his title should not be stripped"

A copy of the aforementioned fight contract, which Andrade signed on January 14, 2015 to fight Charlo for $300,000, was also included as evidence to support Andrade's claim. Andrade stated that the signed contract proves that it was, in fact, Charlo's team, not Andrade, that pulled out of the bout. However, Andrade's co-promoter, Artie Pellulo, told USA TODAY Sports several weeks ago it was Andrade who pulled out of the Charlo fight.

The above articles refer to Andrade rejecting a career-high purse for a December 2014 fight and then withdrawing from a bout he'd signed a contract for in January 2015 (for a bout scheduled in Spring the same year, where he was receiving another career-high amount).

Thanks for arguing this point with me, because the additional research proves beyond a shadow of doubt that Demetrius Andrade didn't just duck Jermell Charlo once, but he actually did it TWICE!

Come on Bandog! Please try to undermine some of the other facts I previously conveyed.

I guess it comes down to what source and who said what that you believe, doesn't it? Everything on the internet is fact, right? Personally, I don't want to go back in forth on and beat a dead horse on something that happened 6-7 yrs ago. I care about fights now. I don't have the time, nor crayons to explain that to you.

You held an opinion you can't substantiate. You didn't even try to.

And now you're claiming that providing any sort of proof is irrelevant? Why? Because the truth doesn't adhere to your preferred perception of reality?

You're basically claiming that you'll ignore any evidence that doesn't support your opinion.

If that's how you want to play it, then fair enough.

At least I proved I was able to ‘talk-the-talk and walk-the-walk’, by backing up everything I said.

Bandog wrote: ↑06 Jul 2021, 06:51

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:30

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:29

So a month later, in January, after the price is raised Andrade was willing to fight, but suddenly Charlo wasn't. Is Mall Charlo turning down a well documented $7 million from Hearn a blatant duck? I suppose not if you like Charlo better than Andrade.

So you’re not refuting any of my claims? You’ve resorted to discussing other matters!

Take a look at these quotes/articles and let me have your thoughts?

"Demetrius Andrade appeals WBO decision to strip him of title"

Andrade turned down a career-high offer of $550,000 from his co-promoters, Joe DeGuardia of Star Boxing and Artie Pelullo of Banner Promotions, to face Jermell Charlo in December 2014 as part of a larger multi-fight contract offer from Showtime.

"Demetrius Andrade appeals to WBO, offers reasons why his title should not be stripped"

A copy of the aforementioned fight contract, which Andrade signed on January 14, 2015 to fight Charlo for $300,000, was also included as evidence to support Andrade's claim. Andrade stated that the signed contract proves that it was, in fact, Charlo's team, not Andrade, that pulled out of the bout. However, Andrade's co-promoter, Artie Pellulo, told USA TODAY Sports several weeks ago it was Andrade who pulled out of the Charlo fight.

The above articles refer to Andrade rejecting a career-high purse for a December 2014 fight and then withdrawing from a bout he'd signed a contract for in January 2015 (for a bout scheduled in Spring the same year, where he was receiving another career-high amount).

Thanks for arguing this point with me, because the additional research proves beyond a shadow of doubt that Demetrius Andrade didn't just duck Jermell Charlo once, but he actually did it TWICE!

Come on Bandog! Please try to undermine some of the other facts I previously conveyed.

I guess it comes down to what source and who said what that you believe, doesn't it? Everything on the internet is fact, right? Personally, I don't want to go back in forth on and beat a dead horse on something that happened 6-7 yrs ago. I care about fights now. I don't have the time, nor crayons to explain that to you.

Indeed, that was long, long time ago. Now it's about big numbers like 7 M's and a big platform!

“Eddie said he offered $7 million at first,” Andrade said. “It might be more later on. I’m not sure. Or it might be less. But $7 million is a lot of money – I don’t care who you are. Mikey Garcia’s coming over here [to DAZN] for $7 million.”



from 10:03

apollo creed wrote: ↑06 Jul 2021, 07:56

Bandog wrote: ↑06 Jul 2021, 06:51

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:30
So you’re not refuting any of my claims? You’ve resorted to discussing other matters!

Take a look at these quotes/articles and let me have your thoughts?

"Demetrius Andrade appeals WBO decision to strip him of title"

Andrade turned down a career-high offer of $550,000 from his co-promoters, Joe DeGuardia of Star Boxing and Artie Pelullo of Banner Promotions, to face Jermell Charlo in December 2014 as part of a larger multi-fight contract offer from Showtime.

"Demetrius Andrade appeals to WBO, offers reasons why his title should not be stripped"

A copy of the aforementioned fight contract, which Andrade signed on January 14, 2015 to fight Charlo for $300,000, was also included as evidence to support Andrade's claim. Andrade stated that the signed contract proves that it was, in fact, Charlo's team, not Andrade, that pulled out of the bout. However, Andrade's co-promoter, Artie Pellulo, told USA TODAY Sports several weeks ago it was Andrade who pulled out of the Charlo fight.

The above articles refer to Andrade rejecting a career-high purse for a December 2014 fight and then withdrawing from a bout he'd signed a contract for in January 2015 (for a bout scheduled in Spring the same year, where he was receiving another career-high amount).

Thanks for arguing this point with me, because the additional research proves beyond a shadow of doubt that Demetrius Andrade didn't just duck Jermell Charlo once, but he actually did it TWICE!

Come on Bandog! Please try to undermine some of the other facts I previously conveyed.

I guess it comes down to what source and who said what that you believe, doesn't it? Everything on the internet is fact, right? Personally, I don't want to go back in forth on and beat a dead horse on something that happened 6-7 yrs ago. I care about fights now. I don't have the time, nor crayons to explain that to you.

Indeed, that was long, long time ago. Now it's about big numbers like 7 M's and a big platform!

“Eddie said he offered $7 million at first,” Andrade said. “It might be more later on. I’m not sure. Or it might be less. But $7 million is a lot of money – I don’t care who you are. Mikey Garcia’s coming over here [to DAZN] for $7 million.”



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You do realise that JERMALL Charlo is a completely different human being to JERMELL Charlo?

Bandog and I were discussing Demetrius Andrade ducking JERMELL Charlo TWICE!

One thing I’ll say I noticed in your video, Eddie Hearn concealed the alleged $7m figure detailed in the email sent to JERMALL Charlo he showed Radio Raheem. The Matchroom boss has never confirmed this amount either on any videos or interview transcripts. Why is that?

I'm talking about Hearn's offer to Mall Charlo. Both Andrade and Charlo are both mw champions atm. I don't talk about what happened or not happened a long time ago between Andrade and Mell.

apollo creed wrote: ↑06 Jul 2021, 08:39 I'm talking about Hearn's offer to Mall Charlo. Both Andrade and Charlo are both mw champions atm. I don't talk about what happened or not happened a long time ago between Andrade and Mell.

If you don't want to talk about what happened between Andrade and Jermell, then why did you comment on our posts about both of these guys?

I also asked a question related to the video you posted, but you didn't answer it.

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:29

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:20

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:10

Andrade refused the fight after being told of his purse, $250,000 in a fight that was made without talking to him, and also on short notice. Poor management and communication. He would be the only one on the card with a belt, but wasn't the highest paid. The fight was never finalized, so it isn't a blatant duck. He also signed his part to fight Charlo the next month, and Charlo signed to fight Vanes M. Facts.

Andrade was offered a career-high sum for the Charlo bout.

Showtime apparently offered $500K. And the same source claiming the purse was only $250K revised the sum to $300K, with that amount also being a career-high amount.

Facts.

So a month later, in January, after the price is raised Andrade was willing to fight, but suddenly Charlo wasn't. Is Mall Charlo turning down a well documented $7 million from Hearn a blatant duck? I suppose not if you like Charlo better than Andrade.

I see that Bandog is talking about Jermall, but eo likes to "cloak his own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that he's in fact impartial.
Yet watch him when it's someone he doesn't have a gaping wide-on for in the dock...!
It's like listening to one of those right-wing media types who thinks that saying the word "fact" can simply make inconvenient things that they don't like go away, & that if they keep thrashing things out in a long-winded convoluted fashion you'll lose sight of consensus reality & accept their Byzantine version of events that—despite their constant appeals to some sort of "objectivity"—is only supported by their opinions & their bullshit rhetoric. "


Here's the full version eo!

User Datsue described very well this type of attention seeker-troll like EO :

" Intelligent or not, he's a complete disingenuous arsehole who cloaks his own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that he's in fact impartial.
Yet watch him when it's someone he doesn't have a gaping wide-on for in the dock...!
It's like listening to one of those right-wing media types who thinks that saying the word "fact" can simply make inconvenient things that they don't like go away, & that if they keep thrashing things out in a long-winded convoluted fashion you'll lose sight of consensus reality & accept their Byzantine version of events that—despite their constant appeals to some sort of "objectivity"—is only supported by their opinions & their bullshit rhetoric. "


Almost everytime when EO is posting he's leaving a 'maneuvering space' to have a leverage in a possible arque with other posters. He just craves for attention and validation on this forum. lol

With welcome!

apollo creed wrote: ↑06 Jul 2021, 08:49

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:29

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑05 Jul 2021, 12:20
Andrade was offered a career-high sum for the Charlo bout.

Showtime apparently offered $500K. And the same source claiming the purse was only $250K revised the sum to $300K, with that amount also being a career-high amount.

Facts.

So a month later, in January, after the price is raised Andrade was willing to fight, but suddenly Charlo wasn't. Is Mall Charlo turning down a well documented $7 million from Hearn a blatant duck? I suppose not if you like Charlo better than Andrade.

I see that Bandog is talking about Jermall, but eo likes to "cloak his own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that he's in fact impartial.
Yet watch him when it's someone he doesn't have a gaping wide-on for in the dock...!
It's like listening to one of those right-wing media types who thinks that saying the word "fact" can simply make inconvenient things that they don't like go away, & that if they keep thrashing things out in a long-winded convoluted fashion you'll lose sight of consensus reality & accept their Byzantine version of events that—despite their constant appeals to some sort of "objectivity"—is only supported by their opinions & their bullshit rhetoric. "

Bandog was wrong. He was talkling about Jermell Charlo (first sentence of the post you quoted). Instead of criticising, learn to read!

He couldn't backup any of his claims. And no one can defend them either. History cannot be rewritten by ANYONE.

And like you, he tried employing red herring diversionary tactics, by changing the topic of discussion from Jermell Charlo to Jermall Charlo! He abandoned his original argument, because he could not defend it.

Anyway, for the third time of asking, I also asked a question related to the video you posted, but you didn't answer it.

It's only a simple question. You don't need to keep ducking it.

If you know your stuff, then you've got nothing to fear.

It seems that apollo is doing his upmost to find videos or interview transcripts of Eddie Hearn claiming things he never claimed.

This is what Datsue posted on the 15th May, 2018:

Datsue wrote: ↑15 May 2018, 05:42It's like listening to one of those right-wing media types who thinks that saying the word "fact" can simply make inconvenient things that they don't like go away, & that if they keep thrashing things out in a long-winded convoluted fashion you'll lose sight of consensus reality & accept their Byzantine version of events that—despite their constant appeals to some sort of "objectivity"—is only supported by their opinions & their bullshit rhetoric.

This is what apollo creed posted 48 minutes ago:

apollo creed wrote: ↑06 Jul 2021, 08:49It's like listening to one of those right-wing media types who thinks that saying the word "fact" can simply make inconvenient things that they don't like go away, & that if they keep thrashing things out in a long-winded convoluted fashion you'll lose sight of consensus reality & accept their Byzantine version of events that—despite their constant appeals to some sort of "objectivity"—is only supported by their opinions & their bullshit rhetoric.

Spot the difference?

He hasn't even got sufficient intellect to formulate his own insults! He's solely reliant on plagiarising the words of others posted more than three years ago, whilst dishonestly pretending they're his own!