lazboy wrote: ↑14 Jul 2021, 23:51Mayweather had a big influence on the sport, I don't blame him but the risk/reward and the perfect record blueprint for success are seriously jeopardizing things. True, it worked for Mayweather but he had to toil and his journey was unique.
I don’t understand your argument about Floyd Mayweather Jr., in the context of a "Too many belts in boxing" discussion.
He never even held the WBO title (he refused to pay them sanctioning fees for the Pacquiao bout), and nor did he hold any interim or regular straps either.
And he only briefly held the IBO & IBA belts, due to the fact he inadvertently won them by beating Zab Judah (IBF champ) and Carlos Baldomir (WBC champ), because they happened to be their titleholders.
As far as I can tell, he dumped both meaningless trinkets very quickly.
Floyd captured and held belts that are currently universally proclaimed as being legitimate titles.
I understand what you’re saying about Floyd Mayweather Jr. adopting a businessman mentality to the sport of boxing, but that didn’t translate to him resorting to capturing meaningless secondary titles.
If anything, you really should be applauding Floyd for refraining from holding meaningless trinkets.
The issue I take with Floyd and belts isn’t from his fighting career - it’s from his promotional position.
He comes out and correctly says that there are too many world titles and it needs sorting out. Then he’s involved in the promotion of Tank/Barrios for a secondary title and then proclaims Tank to be a 3 weight world champ.
The top figures in the sport need to do more than just talk. If they stop promoting fights for these BS belts then the sanctioning bodies may be forced to change. At the moment they don’t need to.
Same with Eddie - he slagged off the WBC franchise and then requests it for the Super Flys.
In terms of his own career and personal opinion, Floyd has never recognised secondary titles. He's always disapproved of them. He’s been very vocal about this.
He was unwilling to pay the WBO 3% sanctioning fees for the Pacquiao bout, despite the fact it would have resulted in him unifying all four main titles at welterweight at the same time.
But TMT is a promoter. They're not responsible for managing the careers of boxers.
Promoters can't be held accountable for the fighter's own decisions. If they want to pay 3% from their own purse to capture or retain ownership of a meaningless trinket, then it's on them.
Of course, I'm aware that promoters and TV networks can influence things, but the fighters themselves have the final say.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Jul 2021, 09:07
I don’t understand your argument about Floyd Mayweather Jr., in the context of a "Too many belts in boxing" discussion.
He never even held the WBO title (he refused to pay them sanctioning fees for the Pacquiao bout), and nor did he hold any interim or regular straps either.
And he only briefly held the IBO & IBA belts, due to the fact he inadvertently won them by beating Zab Judah (IBF champ) and Carlos Baldomir (WBC champ), because they happened to be their titleholders.
As far as I can tell, he dumped both meaningless trinkets very quickly.
Floyd captured and held belts that are currently universally proclaimed as being legitimate titles.
I understand what you’re saying about Floyd Mayweather Jr. adopting a businessman mentality to the sport of boxing, but that didn’t translate to him resorting to capturing meaningless secondary titles.
If anything, you really should be applauding Floyd for refraining from holding meaningless trinkets.
I don’t think it was particularly difficult to follow that I went off on a tangent, complaining about how the sport is ruined right now.
If you find a concept too difficult to explain, then you can't seriously expect others to understand it.
As a general rule, Floyd Mayweather only held the IBF, WBC and WBA titles. He didn't even acknowledge the WBO, IBO, IBA, WBA interim, WBA regular titles etc.
He's also gone on record numerous times complaining about there being far too many titles in boxing.
Therefore, why mention his name in the context of there being "too many titles in boxing"? He's not responsible for this situation. In fact he's against it.
For sure, you can blame Floyd Mayweather Jr's bad influence for many things, but definitely he's not responsible for there being "too many titles in boxing".
What you're doing is synonymous to blaming "a thief for obesity!" Two bad things that are completely unrelated!
I previously stated I had gone off on a tangent. If a reasonable person read the posts in chronological order, they would see this. Most of what you have said is irrelevant to my comments in this thread.
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Jul 2021, 18:16
lol, the guy who brings ggg into every f@cking thread getting after someone for raising a tangential point
The same fight fans that persistently moan about the WBA interim and regular titles being meaningless trinkets, then doggedly maintain GGG has legitimately performed 21 defences of his world middleweight title, which they claim to be a record.
However, if the same people actually applied their rules consistently, then GGG has only performed ten defences of his world middleweight title.
Therefore, if you claim that GGG performed 21 defences of his world middleweight title, then you're also claiming that Trevor Bryan is a legitimate world heavyweight champion.
So what's it to be? The WBA interim and regular titles are only "important" when your favourite fighter holds them, or are they ALWAYS meaningless trinkets?
Is that really so difficult to understand? Come on kid, it seems fairly straightforward to me.
my gawd is ggg ever omnipresent in your mind mate - and for the record i never gave him cred for interim wba title defenses etc vs nobodies
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Jul 2021, 09:07
I don’t understand your argument about Floyd Mayweather Jr., in the context of a "Too many belts in boxing" discussion.
He never even held the WBO title (he refused to pay them sanctioning fees for the Pacquiao bout), and nor did he hold any interim or regular straps either.
And he only briefly held the IBO & IBA belts, due to the fact he inadvertently won them by beating Zab Judah (IBF champ) and Carlos Baldomir (WBC champ), because they happened to be their titleholders.
As far as I can tell, he dumped both meaningless trinkets very quickly.
Floyd captured and held belts that are currently universally proclaimed as being legitimate titles.
I understand what you’re saying about Floyd Mayweather Jr. adopting a businessman mentality to the sport of boxing, but that didn’t translate to him resorting to capturing meaningless secondary titles.
If anything, you really should be applauding Floyd for refraining from holding meaningless trinkets.
LEAVE, FLOYD, ALONE!!!
I don’t think it was particularly difficult to follow that I went off on a tangent, complaining about how the sport is ruined right now.
If you find a concept too difficult to explain, then you can't seriously expect others to understand it.
As a general rule, Floyd Mayweather only held the IBF, WBC and WBA titles. He didn't even acknowledge the WBO, IBO, IBA, WBA interim, WBA regular titles etc.
He's also gone on record numerous times complaining about there being far too many titles in boxing.
Therefore, why mention his name in the context of there being "too many titles in boxing"? He's not responsible for this situation. In fact he's against it.
For sure, you can blame Floyd Mayweather Jr's bad influence for many things, but definitely he's not responsible for there being "too many titles in boxing".
What you're doing is synonymous to blaming "a thief for obesity!" Two bad things that are completely unrelated!
lazboy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2021, 23:01
Where do we see boxing in 20 years? It will never die as people love to fight and love to see a fist fight but I don't feel it will be generating respectable money as a sport.
That could happen. Boxing has always been corrupt, but the difference is now it has a strong competitor that is a combat sport which is MMA. In the past, we knew that there was corruption, but it didn't stop people from being boxing fans. Kickboxing has never been more popular than boxing, so I was not sure whether MMA could surpass boxing in popularity. It has happened though. Teddy Atlas talks about MMA on YouTube more than boxing. About 75% of his videos now are about MMA. I believe that almost all pro sports are going to suffer in the future. It is already happening now with TV viewers declining for NBA and NFL. Also, with most of these athletes and coaches getting the vax shot, we don't know what could happen in the future. The boxing with celebrities fighting or one of them fighting past his prime Floyd Mayweather is not going to help professional boxing because it is not pro boxing. It is just boxing exhibitions. I don't believe that the young people that are paying to see these fights are going to pay for PPV pro boxing. The money is going to decline for the NBA and NFL because the next TV contract will be based on less viewers. I don't watch much American football anymore and it's not because of the players kneeling for the national anthem. It is because I hate when the calls or non-calls of referees affect the outcome of the game. When boxing robbed Golovkin of victory against Alvarez, that was the last straw for me. As the money declines, the quality of athletes will also decline for any sport. Also, with more children getting autism, less people will be able to become pro athletes when they are adults. I predict esports will continue to grow and will surpass American football in money and fans. It's almost there right now. What happens to women's pro sports when transgender people dominate that? In 20 years, there will be less families because of the decline in marriage. There will be more single people playing video games and I believe most of them will not care about pro sports except for maybe MMA.
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑15 Jul 2021, 18:16
lol, the guy who brings ggg into every f@cking thread getting after someone for raising a tangential point
The same fight fans that persistently moan about the WBA interim and regular titles being meaningless trinkets, then doggedly maintain GGG has legitimately performed 21 defences of his world middleweight title, which they claim to be a record.
However, if the same people actually applied their rules consistently, then GGG has only performed ten defences of his world middleweight title.
Therefore, if you claim that GGG performed 21 defences of his world middleweight title, then you're also claiming that Trevor Bryan is a legitimate world heavyweight champion.
So what's it to be? The WBA interim and regular titles are only "important" when your favourite fighter holds them, or are they ALWAYS meaningless trinkets?
Is that really so difficult to understand? Come on kid, it seems fairly straightforward to me.
my gawd is ggg ever omnipresent in your mind mate - and for the record i never gave him cred for interim wba title defenses etc vs nobodies
My complaint wasn't about GGG. I only mentioned his name to illustrate an example.
I was illustrating the fact that fight fans are hypocrites that don't apply their rules consistently.
There are people that loudly complain about the WBA interim and regular titles, but then go on to endorse these trinkets as legitimate championships when it comes to discussing their favourite fighters, resulting in them applying double-standards.
This supports my original argument that fight fans are solely responsible for there being too many titles in boxing.
I don’t think it was particularly difficult to follow that I went off on a tangent, complaining about how the sport is ruined right now.
If you find a concept too difficult to explain, then you can't seriously expect others to understand it.
As a general rule, Floyd Mayweather only held the IBF, WBC and WBA titles. He didn't even acknowledge the WBO, IBO, IBA, WBA interim, WBA regular titles etc.
He's also gone on record numerous times complaining about there being far too many titles in boxing.
Therefore, why mention his name in the context of there being "too many titles in boxing"? He's not responsible for this situation. In fact he's against it.
For sure, you can blame Floyd Mayweather Jr's bad influence for many things, but definitely he's not responsible for there being "too many titles in boxing".
What you're doing is synonymous to blaming "a thief for obesity!" Two bad things that are completely unrelated!
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑15 Jul 2021, 09:07
I don’t understand your argument about Floyd Mayweather Jr., in the context of a "Too many belts in boxing" discussion.
He never even held the WBO title (he refused to pay them sanctioning fees for the Pacquiao bout), and nor did he hold any interim or regular straps either.
And he only briefly held the IBO & IBA belts, due to the fact he inadvertently won them by beating Zab Judah (IBF champ) and Carlos Baldomir (WBC champ), because they happened to be their titleholders.
As far as I can tell, he dumped both meaningless trinkets very quickly.
Floyd captured and held belts that are currently universally proclaimed as being legitimate titles.
I understand what you’re saying about Floyd Mayweather Jr. adopting a businessman mentality to the sport of boxing, but that didn’t translate to him resorting to capturing meaningless secondary titles.
If anything, you really should be applauding Floyd for refraining from holding meaningless trinkets.
The issue I take with Floyd and belts isn’t from his fighting career - it’s from his promotional position.
He comes out and correctly says that there are too many world titles and it needs sorting out. Then he’s involved in the promotion of Tank/Barrios for a secondary title and then proclaims Tank to be a 3 weight world champ.
The top figures in the sport need to do more than just talk. If they stop promoting fights for these BS belts then the sanctioning bodies may be forced to change. At the moment they don’t need to.
Same with Eddie - he slagged off the WBC franchise and then requests it for the Super Flys.
In terms of his own career and personal opinion, Floyd has never recognised secondary titles. He's always disapproved of them. He’s been very vocal about this.
He was unwilling to pay the WBO 3% sanctioning fees for the Pacquiao bout, despite the fact it would have resulted in him unifying all four main titles at welterweight at the same time.
But TMT is a promoter. They're not responsible for managing the careers of boxers.
Promoters can't be held accountable for the fighter's own decisions. If they want to pay 3% from their own purse to capture or retain ownership of a meaningless trinket, then it's on them.
Of course, I'm aware that promoters and TV networks can influence things, but the fighters themselves have the final say.
Yeah - I agree that throughout Floyd’s fighting career he only fought for proper belts and didn’t give credence to other undeserving belts.
It’s just frustrating to hear him say one thing (the sanctioning bodies need sort their shit out) and then a few days later proclaim Tank to be a 3 weight world champ.
Re: Too many belts in boxing today
Posted: 16 Jul 2021, 17:50
by thereverend
why is autism happening more?
There could be big money in suing vaccine companies if you can prove your child has autism,. In our politically correct times autism is a less offensive term for mental disabilities. It's been found that as the number of autism cases rises the number of mental retardation cases drops. In other words, a hundred years from now instead of calling EO a moron, imbecile, idiot or retard we'll be calling him autistic.
There could be big money in suing vaccine companies if you can prove your child has autism,. In our politically correct times autism is a less offensive term for mental disabilities. It's been found that as the number of autism cases rises the number of mental retardation cases drops. In other words, a hundred years from now instead of calling EO a moron, imbecile, idiot or retard we'll be calling him autistic.
Boxrec quote of the month. Well done sir.
Re: Too many belts in boxing today
Posted: 16 Jul 2021, 19:33
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Floyd and al haymon have hurt quality matches and the sport tremendously but it has helped fighters
lazboy wrote: ↑13 Jul 2021, 23:01
Where do we see boxing in 20 years? It will never die as people love to fight and love to see a fist fight but I don't feel it will be generating respectable money as a sport.
That could happen. Boxing has always been corrupt, but the difference is now it has a strong competitor that is a combat sport which is MMA. In the past, we knew that there was corruption, but it didn't stop people from being boxing fans. Kickboxing has never been more popular than boxing, so I was not sure whether MMA could surpass boxing in popularity. It has happened though. Teddy Atlas talks about MMA on YouTube more than boxing. About 75% of his videos now are about MMA. I believe that almost all pro sports are going to suffer in the future. It is already happening now with TV viewers declining for NBA and NFL. Also, with most of these athletes and coaches getting the vax shot, we don't know what could happen in the future. The boxing with celebrities fighting or one of them fighting past his prime Floyd Mayweather is not going to help professional boxing because it is not pro boxing. It is just boxing exhibitions. I don't believe that the young people that are paying to see these fights are going to pay for PPV pro boxing. The money is going to decline for the NBA and NFL because the next TV contract will be based on less viewers. I don't watch much American football anymore and it's not because of the players kneeling for the national anthem. It is because I hate when the calls or non-calls of referees affect the outcome of the game. When boxing robbed Golovkin of victory against Alvarez, that was the last straw for me. As the money declines, the quality of athletes will also decline for any sport. Also, with more children getting autism, less people will be able to become pro athletes when they are adults. I predict esports will continue to grow and will surpass American football in money and fans. It's almost there right now. What happens to women's pro sports when transgender people dominate that? In 20 years, there will be less families because of the decline in marriage. There will be more single people playing video games and I believe most of them will not care about pro sports except for maybe MMA.
why is autism happening more?
I don't know for sure, but some people believe it has been caused by an increase in vaccines given to babies and children. In America, the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act was passed in 1986. This law eliminated the liability of vaccine manufacturers from claims of injury. The vaccine manufacturers no longer had to be concerned about being sued for large amounts of money due to claims of injury from vaccines. Each vaccine dose is taxed 75 cents and that money goes into a fund. The fund is used to compensate people who had a vaccine injury or families because of a family member who had a vaccine-related death. The vaccine companies do not have to pay anything towards the fund. Two-thirds of people who apply for compensation are turned away and some claims that are accepted could be pending for a decade. 100 years ago, babies only received one vaccine and that was for smallpox. Today, children in America could receive up to 16 vaccines.
Re: Too many belts in boxing today
Posted: 18 Jul 2021, 19:14
by KiwiRider
Cripes, reading this thread is doing me head in.
Autism instead of retard is what I'm taking away with me.
Every time someone says "he/she is on the autistic scale" I'm going to say "retard?"
Re: Too many belts in boxing today
Posted: 18 Jul 2021, 21:24
by Jeff_lacy_ko
KiwiRider wrote: ↑18 Jul 2021, 19:14
Cripes, reading this thread is doing me head in.
Autism instead of retard is what I'm taking away with me.
Every time someone says "he/she is on the autistic scale" I'm going to say "retard?"
My son has autism
He rarely talks with limited social skills and does weird things. But in academics he is brilliant.his memory is unbelievable
KiwiRider wrote: ↑18 Jul 2021, 19:14
Cripes, reading this thread is doing me head in.
Autism instead of retard is what I'm taking away with me.
Every time someone says "he/she is on the autistic scale" I'm going to say "retard?"
My son has autism
He rarely talks with limited social skills and does weird things. But in academics he is brilliant.his memory is unbelievable
Probably in poor taste
More on how my reading journey of a thread lead down a rabbit hole.
Re: Too many belts in boxing today
Posted: 18 Jul 2021, 22:02
by imaioral
Just read that wbc is planning to launch a new series of fruit flavoured belts, one different flavour each week, dont miss it.
