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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑14 Jul 2021, 05:22

apollo creed wrote: ↑14 Jul 2021, 01:56As long as Lara got Canelo and Trout at that time when Andrade was a champion too at 154 then it must be something off with him.

During a four-year nine-month timeframe (between February 2013 and October 2017, when Boo Boo was competing as a world-rated 154lb-er), Demetrius Andrade fought: Vanes Martirosyan; Brian Rose; Dario Fabian Pucheta; Willie Nelson; and Jack Culcay.

During the equivalent timespan, Canelo fought: Austin Trout; Floyd Mayweather Jr.; Alfredo Angulo; Erislandy Lara; James Kirkland; Miguel Cotto; Amir Khan; Liam Smith; Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.; and Gennadiy Golovkin.

And you seriously feel that Canelo ducked Andrade? Please tell me that's what you seriously believe?

ok.

User Datsue described very well this type of attention seeker-troll like EO :

" Intelligent or not, he's a complete disingenuous arsehole who cloaks his own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that he's in fact impartial.
Yet watch him when it's someone he doesn't have a gaping wide-on for in the dock...!
It's like listening to one of those right-wing media types who thinks that saying the word "fact" can simply make inconvenient things that they don't like go away, & that if they keep thrashing things out in a long-winded convoluted fashion you'll lose sight of consensus reality & accept their Byzantine version of events that—despite their constant appeals to some sort of "objectivity"—is only supported by their opinions & their bullshit rhetoric. "


Almost everytime when EO is posting he's leaving a 'maneuvering space' to have a leverage in a possible arque with other posters. He just craves for attention and validation on this forum. lol

With welcome!

apollo creed wrote: ↑14 Jul 2021, 07:40

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑14 Jul 2021, 05:22

apollo creed wrote: ↑14 Jul 2021, 01:56As long as Lara got Canelo and Trout at that time when Andrade was a champion too at 154 then it must be something off with him.

During a four-year nine-month timeframe (between February 2013 and October 2017, when Boo Boo was competing as a world-rated 154lb-er), Demetrius Andrade fought: Vanes Martirosyan; Brian Rose; Dario Fabian Pucheta; Willie Nelson; and Jack Culcay.

During the equivalent timespan, Canelo fought: Austin Trout; Floyd Mayweather Jr.; Alfredo Angulo; Erislandy Lara; James Kirkland; Miguel Cotto; Amir Khan; Liam Smith; Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.; and Gennadiy Golovkin.

And you seriously feel that Canelo ducked Andrade? Please tell me that's what you seriously believe?

ok.

User Datsue described very well this type of attention seeker-troll like EO :

" Intelligent or not, he's a complete disingenuous arsehole who cloaks his own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that he's in fact impartial.
Yet watch him when it's someone he doesn't have a gaping wide-on for in the dock...!
It's like listening to one of those right-wing media types who thinks that saying the word "fact" can simply make inconvenient things that they don't like go away, & that if they keep thrashing things out in a long-winded convoluted fashion you'll lose sight of consensus reality & accept their Byzantine version of events that—despite their constant appeals to some sort of "objectivity"—is only supported by their opinions & their bullshit rhetoric. "


Almost everytime when EO is posting he's leaving a 'maneuvering space' to have a leverage in a possible arque with other posters. He just craves for attention and validation on this forum. lol

With welcome!

It's interesting.

If I make a comment that is relatively easy to challenge, then you attack it head-on.

If I make a comment that is categorically impossible to refute, you resort to quoting Datsue's comment from the 5th May, 2018.

It seems I've been reading you quote the same Datsue comment an awful lot recently.

Is that your equivalent to the infamous Roberto Duran "no mas"?

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑14 Jul 2021, 06:59 The "something off"is that andrade lined up with star boxing to promote him then tried ditching them for roc nation which wound up getting him in court and frozen out of big fights

That stalled his momentum warly in his career. Since then he has done nothing. If you are fighting lower tier fighters tou better be really impressive like Crawford and GGG to stay relevant. He isnt because he coasts

True but tbh Andrade was very close to fight BJS but Saunders got some nasal sprays deep in his nose. lol In that case it wasn't Andrade's fault. The irony was that Saunders got more luck, got a strap and Canelo fought him.

Anyway , as I said before I think Benavidez would fight Andrade @ 168 or at a catch-weight.

apollo creed wrote: ↑14 Jul 2021, 01:56As long as Lara got Canelo and Trout at that time when Andrade was a champion too at 154 then it must be something off with him.

During a four-year nine-month timeframe (between February 2013 and October 2017, when Boo Boo was competing as a world-rated 154lb-er), Demetrius Andrade fought: Vanes Martirosyan; Brian Rose; Dario Fabian Pucheta; Willie Nelson; and Jack Culcay.

During the equivalent timespan, Canelo fought: Austin Trout; Floyd Mayweather Jr.; Alfredo Angulo; Erislandy Lara; James Kirkland; Miguel Cotto; Amir Khan; Liam Smith; Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.; and Gennadiy Golovkin.

And you seriously feel that Canelo ducked Andrade? Please tell me that's what you seriously believe?

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑14 Jul 2021, 07:51

apollo creed wrote: ↑14 Jul 2021, 01:56As long as Lara got Canelo and Trout at that time when Andrade was a champion too at 154 then it must be something off with him.

During a four-year nine-month timeframe (between February 2013 and October 2017, when Boo Boo was competing as a world-rated 154lb-er), Demetrius Andrade fought: Vanes Martirosyan; Brian Rose; Dario Fabian Pucheta; Willie Nelson; and Jack Culcay.

During the equivalent timespan, Canelo fought: Austin Trout; Floyd Mayweather Jr.; Alfredo Angulo; Erislandy Lara; James Kirkland; Miguel Cotto; Amir Khan; Liam Smith; Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.; and Gennadiy Golovkin.

And you seriously feel that Canelo ducked Andrade? Please tell me that's what you seriously believe?

After getting shut out by Floyd, Canelo fought Kirkland, Lara, Angulo, Khan, Liam Smith, JCC jr. Angulo and Kirkland had to shed 40lbs each, and were tailor made for him. Average guys. Lara arguably won the fight, out-landing Canelo, embarassing him at times, but the mexican judge crazy score of 118-110 or 117-110 gave the nod to Canelo. Should have been a rematch. Amir Khan, a glass jawed welterweight instead of Andrade? Come on man. A washed Cotto gave him a good fight, but at 35 was past it. Andrade was stripped, and Canelo then jumped to face Liam Smith, then vacated the belt to "avoid deadlines"? negotiating for GGG. A year and a half later after GGG looked vulnerable vs Jacobs, he fought him. JCCjr? another average fighter, tailor made for Canelo. Austin Trout also gave Canelo all he wanted, and also warranted a rematch. Open scoring or some BS was a bad deal for that one too.

So yeah, I won't say ducked, but definitely avoided Andrade, who had a belt at 154 and 160, and Canelo took on other guys much less talented than Andrade, excluding GGG, who was past his best by the time they fought.

Bandog wrote: ↑14 Jul 2021, 10:35

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑14 Jul 2021, 07:51

apollo creed wrote: ↑14 Jul 2021, 01:56As long as Lara got Canelo and Trout at that time when Andrade was a champion too at 154 then it must be something off with him.

During a four-year nine-month timeframe (between February 2013 and October 2017, when Boo Boo was competing as a world-rated 154lb-er), Demetrius Andrade fought: Vanes Martirosyan; Brian Rose; Dario Fabian Pucheta; Willie Nelson; and Jack Culcay.

During the equivalent timespan, Canelo fought: Austin Trout; Floyd Mayweather Jr.; Alfredo Angulo; Erislandy Lara; James Kirkland; Miguel Cotto; Amir Khan; Liam Smith; Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.; and Gennadiy Golovkin.

And you seriously feel that Canelo ducked Andrade? Please tell me that's what you seriously believe?

After getting shut out by Floyd, Canelo fought Kirkland, Lara, Angulo, Khan, Liam Smith, JCC jr. Angulo and Kirkland had to shed 40lbs each, and were tailor made for him. Average guys. Lara arguably won the fight, out-landing Canelo, embarassing him at times, but the mexican judge crazy score of 118-110 or 117-110 gave the nod to Canelo. Should have been a rematch. Amir Khan, a glass jawed welterweight instead of Andrade? Come on man. A washed Cotto gave him a good fight, but at 35 was past it. Andrade was stripped, and Canelo then jumped to face Liam Smith, then vacated the belt to "avoid deadlines"? negotiating for GGG. A year and a half later after GGG looked vulnerable vs Jacobs, he fought him. JCCjr? another average fighter, tailor made for Canelo. Austin Trout also gave Canelo all he wanted, and also warranted a rematch. Open scoring or some BS was a bad deal for that one too.

So yeah, I won't say ducked, but definitely avoided Andrade, who had a belt at 154 and 160, and Canelo took on other guys much less talented than Andrade, excluding GGG, who was past his best by the time they fought.

Are you seriously criticising Canelo for facing much higher-ranked fighters between 2013 and 2015 at 154lbs than Demetrius Andrade?

It seems you need a history lesson.

Trout and Lara were both considered the third best 154lb-ers on the planet, only behind Mayweather Jr. and Canelo, at the time of their bouts against the Mexican.

Canelo fought Austin Trout seven months prior to Demetrius Andrade capturing his WBO 154lbs title.

Canelo fought Floyd Maywweather Jr. two months prior to Demetrius Andrade capturing his WBO 154lbs title.

Canelo fought Erislandy Lara one month after Andrade’s one and only WBO title defence against Brian Rose.

Demetrius Andrade then rejected a career-high payday to fight Jermell Charlo during December 2014.

Another attempt was performed to make that fight for Spring 2015, with Andrade accepting another career-high payday and also signing a contract in January 2015 to defend his WBO title against Jermell Charlo, but Boo Boo withdrew from that fight at the last-minute. It’s important to note Andrade’s late withdrawal wasn’t injury related.

During July 2015, Demetrius Andrade was stripped of his WBO 154lbs title, because he’d ducked Jermell Charlo twice, hadn’t fought for 14 months and didn’t even have a fight lined up.

Andrade then chose to be inactive and whenever he did compete, he ended up facing anonymous no-hopers, such as: Dario Fabian Pucheta, Willie Nelson and Jack Culcay.

During the same timeframe, Canelo fought James Kirkland, Miguel Cotto, Amir Khan, Liam Smith and Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.

Canelo receives a lot of criticism for the Liam Smith fight, but when the Mexican challenged for the Brit’s WBO 154lbs title, Andrade was merely a challenger rated 6th, with Boo Boo competing against journeymen.

And if you only want to discuss Andrade's time as being a world-rated 154lb-er, I'll just cite the same facts:

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑14 Jul 2021, 07:51During a four-year nine-month timeframe (between February 2013 and October 2017, when Boo Boo was competing as a world-rated 154lb-er), Demetrius Andrade fought: Vanes Martirosyan; Brian Rose; Dario Fabian Pucheta; Willie Nelson; and Jack Culcay.

During the equivalent timespan, Canelo fought: Austin Trout; Floyd Mayweather Jr.; Alfredo Angulo; Erislandy Lara; James Kirkland; Miguel Cotto; Amir Khan; Liam Smith; Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.; and Gennadiy Golovkin.

And you seriously feel that Canelo ducked Andrade? Please tell me that's what you seriously believe?

If you want to move the goalposts to only consider Andrade's time at middleweight, I'm happy to do that too, because I've already discussed this matter and can simply copy/paste the same set of facts.