Fury and Wilder plan to avoid Joshua forever

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They all follow what the dollar tells them to do. AJ and Hearn needed a big money fight and a Ruiz rematch was the remedy to their problems and needs to satsify their Dazn backers.

Even Hagler, who detested Leonard, eventually took the fight on Ray's terms and played soft. He knew the only way Ray would give him the huge payda was to lose the fight. Golovkin went through the same thing with Canelo. If you want the payday you have to dance to my tune. Floyd and Haymon did this for a deade with the guaranteed HBO and SHowtime money. Did you know HBO dumped Floyd when they realized he was never going to fight Pacquiao? Showtime picked him up (Espinoza) but then Les Moonves had to step in and FORCE floyd and haymon to fight Pac.

There is a lot more to Boxing beneath the surface, trust me )

How we suddenly have team Fury moaning about canceling Wilder in October because of his daugher's health. Like I said, Fury and wilder have a business alliance to conspire together to duck AJ and freeze him out of the US market, which they together hope to control. Their problem is neither makes money on their own. But they hope that could change if AJ loses. And I mean loses for real this time, not a dive like Ruiz.

Championship boxing is certainly a business driven pantomime at times.

What you're suggesting goes much further.

You might be right or you might be wrong.

There's always the question of who's the A Side boxwr in any matchup but I certainly do not believe Marvin Hagler 'threw' his fight against Leonard.

Leonard was the A Side and Leonard got the nod, but Marvin did not throw that fight by playing soft. It would be disappointing to find out that he did.

I'm sure there is a lot more under the surface on boxing, but If you have any evidence then perhaps you could share it here.

Boxing fans should seriously consider whether they wish to continue paying for this moneymaking charade, but there's still plenty of genuine boxers out there.

Aren't there?

There won't be any confessions. There never are except for Lamotta vs Fox. It has to be this way. So you have to observe and think critically. Leonard was the A side because he brought the money, Hagler didn't draw or sell to the level of Leonard. Leonard had the leverage to squeeze Hagler to dance to his tunes. Canelo did it to Golovkin too. They wait till the fading great is at the end, around 34 35 36 and squeeze him to take the payday but lose, play soft, whatever you want to call it.

Why didn't Hagler demand, shout for the rematch? Because he knew he couldn't have it. The deal was one. He got paid handsomely to play soft and that was that. We all saw the fight, we all saw Hagler come out boxing righty for the first four rounds - inexplicable illogica by an all time great. We also all saw Hagler have Leonard in position many times in the "fight" to do damage but did nothing. Leonard was younger and there was more money to be made on Leonard's future fights, especially with the fake win vs Hagler adding to his star power.

Mayweather did the same thing for ten years. He and Haymon had the guaranteed HBO and showtime money to rig each opponent. Whichever high risk opponent they could not rig, they ducked (Margarito, Cotto when he was with Arum, Pac, Williams, Martinez, GGG at 154, etc.)

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It's very possible Fury and Wilder, Arum and Haymon have conspired to create a secret business alliance, with the scheme to join forces and create a WWF rivalry and generate the big money - thus freezing out AJ and Hearn out of the American market.

Anthony Joshua was absolutely RUINED by a slob like Andy Ruiz...respect to AJ but any insinuation that Fury OR Wilder is somehow ducking a unification bout with team AJ is pure fiction.

AJ dove for Ruiz. Everybody on the inside knows it was a rig job. If it was a real KO and AJ is really that vulnerable, surely wilder and fury would have signed to fight him for by far the fattest payday of their careers. But wilder and fury know AJ dove, they know AJ is the undisputed best and they have no chance to beat him now.

Cmon bro, put your thinking cap on and look beneath the surface.

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They all follow what the dollar tells them to do. AJ and Hearn needed a big money fight and a Ruiz rematch was the remedy to their problems and needs to satsify their Dazn backers.

Even Hagler, who detested Leonard, eventually took the fight on Ray's terms and played soft. He knew the only way Ray would give him the huge payda was to lose the fight. Golovkin went through the same thing with Canelo. If you want the payday you have to dance to my tune. Floyd and Haymon did this for a deade with the guaranteed HBO and SHowtime money. Did you know HBO dumped Floyd when they realized he was never going to fight Pacquiao? Showtime picked him up (Espinoza) but then Les Moonves had to step in and FORCE floyd and haymon to fight Pac.

There is a lot more to Boxing beneath the surface, trust me )

How we suddenly have team Fury moaning about canceling Wilder in October because of his daugher's health. Like I said, Fury and wilder have a business alliance to conspire together to duck AJ and freeze him out of the US market, which they together hope to control. Their problem is neither makes money on their own. But they hope that could change if AJ loses. And I mean loses for real this time, not a dive like Ruiz.

Championship boxing is certainly a business driven pantomime at times.

What you're suggesting goes much further.

You might be right or you might be wrong.

There's always the question of who's the A Side boxwr in any matchup but I certainly do not believe Marvin Hagler 'threw' his fight against Leonard.

Leonard was the A Side and Leonard got the nod, but Marvin did not throw that fight by playing soft. It would be disappointing to find out that he did.

I'm sure there is a lot more under the surface on boxing, but If you have any evidence then perhaps you could share it here.

Boxing fans should seriously consider whether they wish to continue paying for this moneymaking charade, but there's still plenty of genuine boxers out there.

Aren't there?

There won't be any confessions. There never are except for Lamotta vs Fox. It has to be this way. So you have to observe and think critically. Leonard was the A side because he brought the money, Hagler didn't draw or sell to the level of Leonard. Leonard had the leverage to squeeze Hagler to dance to his tunes. Canelo did it to Golovkin too. They wait till the fading great is at the end, around 34 35 36 and squeeze him to take the payday but lose, play soft, whatever you want to call it.

Why didn't Hagler demand, shout for the rematch? Because he knew he couldn't have it. The deal was one. He got paid handsomely to play soft and that was that. We all saw the fight, we all saw Hagler come out boxing righty for the first four rounds - inexplicable illogica by an all time great. We also all saw Hagler have Leonard in position many times in the "fight" to do damage but did nothing. Leonard was younger and there was more money to be made on Leonard's future fights, especially with the fake win vs Hagler adding to his star power.

Mayweather did the same thing for ten years. He and Haymon had the guaranteed HBO and showtime money to rig each opponent. Whichever high risk opponent they could not rig, they ducked (Margarito, Cotto when he was with Arum, Pac, Williams, Martinez, GGG at 154, etc.)

We'll never know for sure, especially in light of Marvin's untimely passing earlier this year, but that's a plausible argument.

Hagler's switching of stances in the early rounds has always been a bit of a puzzle. As was Leonard's surprising ability to hold up right to the end of the 12th.

[Sugar Ray Leonard's upset of Marvin Hagler remains a boxing landmark 30 years later by Brian Campbell Apr 6, 2017]

https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/news/s ... ars-later/


As for Mayweather, Canelo, Fury, Wilder etc, we know all about them.

I can't help think the sport desperately needs more of those Super Six/Series type tournaments like the ones previously won by Ward, Usyk and Inoue.

Most of those were done and dusted in less time than it takes some of the current prima donnas to find their pens/bribe the judges/evade the testers/screw every last penny out of everyone...


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_B ... per_Series