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Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 16 Aug 2021, 11:13
by Enlightened-One
Counter-puncher wrote: 26 Apr 2010, 05:27
Datsue wrote:Froch has no title, & because of the Super Six has nowhere to go without one. What's he going to do, go to Canada & get stood on his head & KTFO'd by Lucian Bute? I think not.

He's a minor regional draw who has no country-wide support. I think he'll walk away from this tournament round about the same time he learns how to throw a left hook without spinning around completely in a circle.
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Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 16 Aug 2021, 12:30
by apollo creed
User Datsue described very well this type of attention seeker-troll like EO :

" Intelligent or not, he's a complete disingenuous arsehole who cloaks his own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that he's in fact impartial.
Yet watch him when it's someone he doesn't have a gaping wide-on for in the dock...!
It's like listening to one of those right-wing media types who thinks that saying the word "fact" can simply make inconvenient things that they don't like go away, & that if they keep thrashing things out in a long-winded convoluted fashion you'll lose sight of consensus reality & accept their Byzantine version of events that—despite their constant appeals to some sort of "objectivity"—is only supported by their opinions & their bullshit rhetoric. "


With welcome son! :wave:

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 16 Aug 2021, 13:11
by margaret thatcher
i mean in billy joe's smw fights he got rocked to his boots by isufi, went life and death with coceres , and then got stopped by canelo. beat no one remotely good at the weight

he and plant werent stylistically the types who caused bute the most problems either. bute would have beat every smw that they did

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 16 Aug 2021, 13:31
by Enlightened-One
apollo creed wrote: 16 Aug 2021, 12:30 what it is more concerning and weird is your obsessive searching for ancient posts of other users! lol

It's a fact that Bute has better wins than Smith, Plant and especially BJS @ 168.


Also if you quoted Datsue let me quote him too:


User Datsue described very well this type of attention seeker-troll like EO :

" Intelligent or not, he's a complete disingenuous arsehole who cloaks his own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that he's in fact impartial.
Yet watch him when it's someone he doesn't have a gaping wide-on for in the dock...!
It's like listening to one of those right-wing media types who thinks that saying the word "fact" can simply make inconvenient things that they don't like go away, & that if they keep thrashing things out in a long-winded convoluted fashion you'll lose sight of consensus reality & accept their Byzantine version of events that—despite their constant appeals to some sort of "objectivity"—is only supported by their opinions & their bullshit rhetoric. "


With welcome ! :wave: :OhYes:
That’s a long post you’ve just submitted, but the reason why I quoted Counter-punchers bizarrely incorrect prediction of the Froch-Bute bout, is because it explains the reason for his over-the-top reaction to me labelling Bute as a hype job.

And guess who else originally claimed Bute was an elite fighter, read me previous post?

You’re welcome! :TU:

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 16 Aug 2021, 13:38
by apollo creed
Enlightened-One wrote: 16 Aug 2021, 09:14
Saunders and Smith took bigger risks with their careers. Both men tried facing the very best at 168lbs. Lucian never did that. It simply didn't happen... ever!
ok noob

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :doh: :doh: :doh:


So Bute fought Bika, Andrade, Froch, Pascal, Badou Jack, DeGale and Eleider Alvarez .... but the mighties BJS, Plant and Smith took bigger risks.............. lol :doh:

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 16 Aug 2021, 13:42
by apollo creed
margaret thatcher wrote: 16 Aug 2021, 13:11 i mean in billy joe's smw fights he got rocked to his boots by isufi, went life and death with coceres , and then got stopped by canelo. beat no one remotely good at the weight

he and plant werent stylistically the types who caused bute the most problems either. bute would have beat every smw that they did
:TU: true! well said!

A 2011 Glen Johnson that fought Froch& Bute would beat the sh!t out of these guys :OhYes: :box:

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 16 Aug 2021, 14:24
by margaret thatcher
lucky for bute in these scenarios he's not fighting carl froch, he's fighting guys whose best smw wins are the likes of martin murray and jose uzcategui

bjs for example had a very close and hard fight vs coceres, rocked by isufi, naturally smaller guy....hardly a stretch to think at smw bute would beat a guy like this. between smith, bjs, and plant.....prob the only smw they beat who would be favoured over bute is george groves

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 16 Aug 2021, 14:35
by apollo creed
margaret thatcher wrote: 16 Aug 2021, 14:24 lucky for bute in these scenarios he's not fighting carl froch, he's fighting guys whose best smw wins are the likes of martin murray and jose uzcategui

bjs for example had a very close and hard fight vs coceres, rocked by isufi....hardly a stretch to think at smw bute would beat a guy like this.
yup this smw era is weak. Canelo is good enough to fight the legit&more proven champions from 175 like Bivol, Beterbiev and Joe Smith. :box: Beating some belt holders at 168 looks good on paper but it ain't no quality.

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 16 Aug 2021, 14:38
by apollo creed
Counter-puncher wrote: 16 Aug 2021, 09:17
Enlightened-One wrote: 16 Aug 2021, 08:29 Callum Smith and Billy Joe Saunders beats the excessively hyped and protected 2007 iteration of Lucian Bute by a comfortably wide margin on the judges scorecards.

Carl Froch badly exposed the Romanian/Canadian. And this led to Bute becoming the B-side, which forced him rebuild his career by taking a step up in class, leading to him regularly losing by wide margins.

Lucian Bute was a protected hype job. We don't need to talk about him anymore, because genuine fight fans don't applaud categorically proven hype-jobs.
fck off you pompous sh1thead, you don't get to decide who 'genuine fight fans' do or don't talk about, you epically arrogant prick

for your information 'genuine fight fans' talk about 'hype jobs from back in the day' quite frequently, but don't let that stop you trying to apply for your 'I'm a genuine Fight Fan' Boy Scout badge


C V N T
Well I can't disagree with you CP. You'r right about eo. :OhYes: :TU:

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 16 Aug 2021, 14:53
by Enlightened-One
apollo creed wrote: 16 Aug 2021, 13:38
Enlightened-One wrote: 16 Aug 2021, 09:14
Saunders and Smith took bigger risks with their careers. Both men tried facing the very best at 168lbs. Lucian never did that. It simply didn't happen... ever!
ok noob

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :doh: :doh: :doh:


So Bute fought Bika, Andrade, Froch, Pascal, Badou Jack, DeGale and Eleider Alvarez .... but the mighties BJS, Plant and Smith took bigger risks.............. lol :doh:
Smith and Saunders both risked their zeros and their world titles in order to face the very best at 168lbs.

Bute never did that when he was the champion and perceived as being the leading fighter in the division. He was a protected hype job. He only agreed to fight the best after he'd lost everything.

In fact, Lucian flatly-refused the Froch rematch he was contractually entitled to, because he knew he'd lose again.

Let's not forget that Carl Froch had recently suffered losses to Kessler and Ward shortly before the Brit defied the betting odds to destroy Bute. So the A-side betting favourite hype job wasn't brave enough to share the ring again with the previously underrated Froch. The Canadian was terrified of the Cobra! :clap:

And Bute's time as being considered a world-rated fighter essentially ended when he comprehensively beaten by Jean Pascal 18 months later, when he was making his debut at 175lbs.

From 2015 onwards, Bute was simply a big-name has-been desperately seeking paydays, regardless as to whether he was suffering a consecutive series of back-to-back losses.

Lucian Bute was the Canadian equivalent of Jeff Lacy, with both fighters instantly exposed as being complete utter garbage the very first time they encountered half-decent opposition.

And both Bute and Lacy were immediately regarded as cannon fodder stay-busy journeymen type opposition to world-rated fighters after they'd suffered their first losses.

Both hype jobs were willing to play the role of stereotypical sacrificial lambs (after they'd been exposed) by engaging in mismatches in order receive decent paydays.

Lucien Bute only became brave enough to share the ring with his world-rated rivals, after he'd lost everything, which meant he wasn't taking any risks, because he had nothing to lose.

I look forward to you dishonestly pretending that what I've wrote isn't 100% true! :TU:

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 16 Aug 2021, 15:10
by Enlightened-One
Counter-puncher wrote: 26 Apr 2010, 05:27
Datsue wrote:Froch has no title, & because of the Super Six has nowhere to go without one. What's he going to do, go to Canada & get stood on his head & KTFO'd by Lucian Bute? I think not.

He's a minor regional draw who has no country-wide support. I think he'll walk away from this tournament round about the same time he learns how to throw a left hook without spinning around completely in a circle.
:bow:
:yay: :OhYes: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 16 Aug 2021, 15:12
by apollo creed
:lol: :lol:

A 2011 Glen Johnson that fought Froch& Bute would beat the sh!t out of BJS, Plant and Callum , period

Bute fought real monsters like Froch, Pascal, DeGale, Badou Jack and Eleider Alvarez compared with guys like a washed up Murray, Isufi, Coceres, Uzcategui and a damaged goods Groves! :OhYes: :box:

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 16 Aug 2021, 15:28
by Enlightened-One
apollo creed wrote: 16 Aug 2021, 15:12 :lol: :lol:

A 2011 Glen Johnson that fought Froch& Bute would beat the sh!t out of BJS, Plant and Callum , period

Bute fought real monsters like Froch, Pascal, DeGale, Badou Jack and Eleider Alvarez compared with guys like a washed up Murray, Isufi, Coceres, Uzcategui and a damaged goods Groves! :OhYes: :box:
Are you pretending you’ve refuted anything I’ve written.

Bute was a hype job that was being protected whilst he was enjoying not only his title reign, but also when he was regarded as the top dog at 168lbs.

Bute only became brave enough to face those names you listed, after he lost everything when he was upset by an underdog with losing form.

Bute never faced the best at 168lbs when he was the champion and the universally regarded top dog. He never took risks.

In fact, he refused to engage in the Super Six, even though all the world-rated fighters were participating in it.

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 16 Aug 2021, 15:59
by apollo creed
As I said before a 2011 Glen Johnson that fought Froch& Bute would beat the sh!t out of 2021 BJS, 2021 Plant and 2020 Callum , period :OhYes: :box:

deal with it! :wave:

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 16 Aug 2021, 16:23
by Enlightened-One
apollo creed wrote: 16 Aug 2021, 15:59 As I said before a 2011 Glen Johnson that fought Froch& Bute would beat the sh!t out of 2021 BJS, 2021 Plant and 2020 Callum , period :OhYes: :box:

deal with it! :wave:
So you’ve moved the goalposts and abandoned your support of Bute and your criticism of my claims about Smith and Saunders?

Good for you kid! :TU:

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 16 Aug 2021, 20:07
by margaret thatcher
:lol:

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 16 Aug 2021, 20:30
by oogiebe
Counter-puncher wrote: 16 Aug 2021, 10:26 whatever, C V NT, look at you trying so hard to get you 'genuine fight fan Boy Scout badge'

it's almost like you're trying much too hard, by way of overcompensation for your nerdy failings.

it isn't working
I love that!

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 17 Aug 2021, 03:36
by Enlightened-One
Counter-puncher wrote: 26 Apr 2010, 05:27
Datsue wrote:Froch has no title, & because of the Super Six has nowhere to go without one. What's he going to do, go to Canada & get stood on his head & KTFO'd by Lucian Bute? I think not.

He's a minor regional draw who has no country-wide support. I think he'll walk away from this tournament round about the same time he learns how to throw a left hook without spinning around completely in a circle.
:bow:
:yay: :OhYes: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 17 Aug 2021, 05:37
by apollo creed
calm down son. :OhYes: Pre Froch Bute's formers opponents like 2007 Bika, 2008-2009 Librado Andrade and 2011 Glen Johnson are better opponents&wins than Isufi, Coceres, washed up Murray, Uzcátegui and a damaged Groves. :TU:

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 17 Aug 2021, 05:40
by apollo creed
apollo creed wrote: 16 Aug 2021, 12:30 User Datsue described very well this type of attention seeker-troll like EO :

" Intelligent or not, he's a complete disingenuous arsehole who cloaks his own opinions in a veneer of bullshit while pretending that he's in fact impartial.
Yet watch him when it's someone he doesn't have a gaping wide-on for in the dock...!
It's like listening to one of those right-wing media types who thinks that saying the word "fact" can simply make inconvenient things that they don't like go away, & that if they keep thrashing things out in a long-winded convoluted fashion you'll lose sight of consensus reality & accept their Byzantine version of events that—despite their constant appeals to some sort of "objectivity"—is only supported by their opinions & their bullshit rhetoric. "

Deal with this truth son! :wave:

Re: 2007 Lucian Bute that beat Sakio Bika vs 2020 Callum Smith , vs 2021 BJS and vs 2021 Plant ? How these fights would

Posted: 17 Aug 2021, 11:31
by apollo creed
There is no doubt that this smw era is weak and Canelo is doing the right move to collect those belts from the smw belt holders.

Another disappointing thing is that even the more legit-proven champions from 175 are waiting for Canelo's payday being reluctant to unify. Also there are other few guys like Charlo, Andrade, Eubank Jr and Munguia at 160 that are waiting and hoping for that payday from Canelo.

And yeah Bute's resume compared with these smw guys is impressive.(Bika,Andrade,Froch,Pascal,DeGale,Badou Jack and Eleider Alvarez). :box:

:TU: