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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Oct 2020, 12:07 Let's evaluate Floyd Mayweather Jr's career...

• Possesses an unblemished 50-0 professional record, with 27 KO’s
• Competed in 29 world title fights (if we include the lineal championship as well)
• Has gained world titles in five weight divisions (super featherweight, lightweight, light welterweight, welterweight & light middleweight)
• Has won twelve world title belts from the big four governing bodies
• Has consistently been ranked amongst the top ten pound-for-pound Ring Magazine rankings during his career
• Was the Ring Magazine’s fighter of the year in 1998 & 2007
• 24 of his victories have come against 22 former world champions
• Floyd achieved a 17-fight winning streak against former/current world champions when he defeated Andre Berto, a run which commenced a decade prior (against Arturo Gatti [25/06/2005])
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been a professional boxer for two decades
• Money May won his first world title fight 17 years prior to his final world championship bout, by defeating Genaro Hernandez (a Hall-of-Fame nominee, a man who had competed in 15 world title bouts, had only previously been defeated by Oscar De La Hoya [in a weight class that was not his natural habitat] and who also boasted a victory against an all-time-great [Azumah Nelson])
• Ring Magazine rates Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 12th position of its pound-for-pound “Best-of-Modern Times” list (based on the votes of 20 boxing experts to determine the Top 20 fighters since World War II)
• Based on the aggregated totals of all fights on his resume, the average Floyd Mayweather Jr. opponent lands a mere 16% of punches thrown, this is the lowest collective figure recorded in CompuBox's 4,000-fight database (as of May 2014)
• Mayweather had the best plus/minus rating of any fighter (as of September 2014), which is a measure of the variance between Floyd’s own connect rate and that of his opponents’ (in other words, a gauge of the “Hit and don't get hit” old adage)
• BoxRec considers Floyd Mayweather Jr. the greatest of all time

In terms of Floyd Mayweather Jr’s final sixteen opponents of his career:

• Six were top-ten ranked pound-for-pounders at the time he faced them (Manny Pacquiao [3rd]; Saul Alvarez [10th]; Shane Mosley [3rd]; Juan Manuel Marquez [2nd]; Ricky Hatton [8th] and Diego Corrales [5th])
• Five are dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famers (Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Shane Mosley; Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao)
• Fifteen opponents were world champions during their careers
• Two are currently ranked in the top-ten pound-for-pound list and are also current world title holders (Canelo Alvarez [fighter of the year 2019] and Manny Pacquiao)
• Ten held world titles in multiple weight divisions (Zab Judah; Juan Manuel Marquez; Ricky Hatton; Oscar De La Hoya; Manny Pacquiao; Marcos Maidana; Saul Alvarez; Robert Guerrero; Miguel Cotto; and Shane Mosley)

At least twelve of the fighters Floyd Mayweather Jr. faced were fighters that became Hall-of-Fame inductees or at least good enough to be included in the nominees listed in the annual IBHoF voting ballot:

• Arturo Gatti
• Oscar De La Hoya
• Juan Manuel Márquez
• Canelo
• Manny Pacquiao
• Genaro Hernández
• Jose Luis Castillo
• Diego Corrales
• Ricky Hatton
• Shane Mosley
• Miguel Cotto
• Zab Judah

According to Ring Magazine, the following fighters were considered top-ten pound-for-pounders at the time of their fights against Floyd Mayweather Jr.:

World Titles:
• WBC Super Featherweight Title (1998-2002; 8 defenses)
• WBC Lightweight Title (2002-2004; 3 defenses)
• WBC Super Lightweight Title (2005; 0 defenses)
• IBF Welterweight Title (2006; 0 defenses)
• (2) WBC Welterweight Title (2006-2008; 1 defense, 2011-2015; 5 defenses)
• (2) WBC Super Welterweight Title (2007; 0 defenses, 2013-2015; 1 defense)
• WBA Super Welterweight Super Title (2012-2016; 1 defense)
• WBA Welterweight Super Title (2014-2016; 3 defenses)
• WBO Welterweight Title (2015; 0 defenses)

Unified Titles:
• Unified Junior Middleweight Title (2013-2015; WBA, WBC)
• (2) Unified Welterweight Title (2014-2015; WBC, WBA, 2015; WBC, WBA, WBO)
• Simultaneously held WBC Welterweight Title and WBC Junior Middleweight Title (2007)
• Simultaneously held WBC Welterweight Title and WBA Junior Middleweight Title (2012-2015)
• Simultaneously held WBC Welterweight Title and Unified Junior Middleweight Title (WBA, WBC) (2013-2015)
• Simultaneously held Unified Welterweight Title (WBC, WBA) and Unified Junior Middleweight Title (WBA, WBC) (2014-2015)
• Simultaneously held Unified Welterweight Title (WBC, WBA, WBO) and Unified Junior Middleweight Title (WBA, WBC) (2015)

The Ring Magazine Titles:
• World Lightweight Title (2002-2004)
• (2) World Welterweight Title (2006-2008, 2013-2015)
• World Junior Middleweight Title (2013-2015)

Lineal Titles:
• World Junior Lightweight Title (1998-2002)
• World Lightweight Title (2002-2004)
• (2) World Welterweight Title (2006-2008, 2010-2015)
• World Junior Middleweight Title (2013-2015)

ironbeard wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 13:54

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 12:45

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 12:39

How many guys did mAnny fight after Floyd?

He already fought the same calibre of opponents before they fought.

The only decent name after FM was Thurman.

I disagree. Bradley, Vargas, Matthysse, Ugas. are ALL decent opponents.

And he was clearly jobbed v Horn, who was a legit opponent at the time.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 14:32 Manny Pacquiao was the tax-dodging catchweight king who was rarely willing to undergo random unannounced blood based drug testing.

He was still a great fighter though, but nostalgia often compels people to perceive blissfully ignorant about historical reality.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 14:59 Does anybody remember the following Manny Pacquiao opponents?

If I recall correctly, they were either bigger men being forced to fight "small" or smaller men forced to fight "big":

Antonio Margarito
Miguel Cotto
Juan Manuel Marquez
Oscar De La Hoya
Chris Algieri

I could probably list a few extra names, if I performed some research, but these are the ones I've recalled from memory.

Bandog wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 18:19

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 14:59 Does anybody remember the following Manny Pacquiao opponents?

If I recall correctly, they were either bigger men being forced to fight "small" or smaller men forced to fight "big":

Antonio Margarito
Miguel Cotto
Juan Manuel Marquez
Oscar De La Hoya
Chris Algieri

I could probably list a few extra names, if I performed some research, but these are the ones I've recalled from memory.

3 of the 5 were weight drained.

ironbeard wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 17:58

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 14:32 Manny Pacquiao was the tax-dodging catchweight king who was rarely willing to undergo random unannounced blood based drug testing.

He was still a great fighter though, but nostalgia often compels people to perceive blissfully ignorant about historical reality.

Pac v Ugas is not nostalgia.

Pac v Thurman is not nostalgia.

FMJ has his own issues with performance enhancement, not all of which are alleged.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Oct 2020, 12:07 Let's evaluate Floyd Mayweather Jr's career...

• Possesses an unblemished 50-0 professional record, with 27 KO’s
• Competed in 29 world title fights (if we include the lineal championship as well)
• Has gained world titles in five weight divisions (super featherweight, lightweight, light welterweight, welterweight & light middleweight)
• Has won twelve world title belts from the big four governing bodies
• Has consistently been ranked amongst the top ten pound-for-pound Ring Magazine rankings during his career
• Was the Ring Magazine’s fighter of the year in 1998 & 2007
• 24 of his victories have come against 22 former world champions
• Floyd achieved a 17-fight winning streak against former/current world champions when he defeated Andre Berto, a run which commenced a decade prior (against Arturo Gatti [25/06/2005])
• Floyd Mayweather Jr. has been a professional boxer for two decades
• Money May won his first world title fight 17 years prior to his final world championship bout, by defeating Genaro Hernandez (a Hall-of-Fame nominee, a man who had competed in 15 world title bouts, had only previously been defeated by Oscar De La Hoya [in a weight class that was not his natural habitat] and who also boasted a victory against an all-time-great [Azumah Nelson])
• Ring Magazine rates Floyd Mayweather Jr. in 12th position of its pound-for-pound “Best-of-Modern Times” list (based on the votes of 20 boxing experts to determine the Top 20 fighters since World War II)
• Based on the aggregated totals of all fights on his resume, the average Floyd Mayweather Jr. opponent lands a mere 16% of punches thrown, this is the lowest collective figure recorded in CompuBox's 4,000-fight database (as of May 2014)
• Mayweather had the best plus/minus rating of any fighter (as of September 2014), which is a measure of the variance between Floyd’s own connect rate and that of his opponents’ (in other words, a gauge of the “Hit and don't get hit” old adage)
• BoxRec considers Floyd Mayweather Jr. the greatest of all time

In terms of Floyd Mayweather Jr’s final sixteen opponents of his career:

• Six were top-ten ranked pound-for-pounders at the time he faced them (Manny Pacquiao [3rd]; Saul Alvarez [10th]; Shane Mosley [3rd]; Juan Manuel Marquez [2nd]; Ricky Hatton [8th] and Diego Corrales [5th])
• Five are dead-cert first ballot Hall-of-Famers (Juan Manuel Marquez, Oscar De La Hoya, Shane Mosley; Miguel Cotto and Manny Pacquiao)
• Fifteen opponents were world champions during their careers
• Two are currently ranked in the top-ten pound-for-pound list and are also current world title holders (Canelo Alvarez [fighter of the year 2019] and Manny Pacquiao)
• Ten held world titles in multiple weight divisions (Zab Judah; Juan Manuel Marquez; Ricky Hatton; Oscar De La Hoya; Manny Pacquiao; Marcos Maidana; Saul Alvarez; Robert Guerrero; Miguel Cotto; and Shane Mosley)

At least twelve of the fighters Floyd Mayweather Jr. faced were fighters that became Hall-of-Fame inductees or at least good enough to be included in the nominees listed in the annual IBHoF voting ballot:

• Arturo Gatti
• Oscar De La Hoya
• Juan Manuel Márquez
• Canelo
• Manny Pacquiao
• Genaro Hernández
• Jose Luis Castillo
• Diego Corrales
• Ricky Hatton
• Shane Mosley
• Miguel Cotto
• Zab Judah

According to Ring Magazine, the following fighters were considered top-ten pound-for-pounders at the time of their fights against Floyd Mayweather Jr.:

World Titles:
• WBC Super Featherweight Title (1998-2002; 8 defenses)
• WBC Lightweight Title (2002-2004; 3 defenses)
• WBC Super Lightweight Title (2005; 0 defenses)
• IBF Welterweight Title (2006; 0 defenses)
• (2) WBC Welterweight Title (2006-2008; 1 defense, 2011-2015; 5 defenses)
• (2) WBC Super Welterweight Title (2007; 0 defenses, 2013-2015; 1 defense)
• WBA Super Welterweight Super Title (2012-2016; 1 defense)
• WBA Welterweight Super Title (2014-2016; 3 defenses)
• WBO Welterweight Title (2015; 0 defenses)

Unified Titles:
• Unified Junior Middleweight Title (2013-2015; WBA, WBC)
• (2) Unified Welterweight Title (2014-2015; WBC, WBA, 2015; WBC, WBA, WBO)
• Simultaneously held WBC Welterweight Title and WBC Junior Middleweight Title (2007)
• Simultaneously held WBC Welterweight Title and WBA Junior Middleweight Title (2012-2015)
• Simultaneously held WBC Welterweight Title and Unified Junior Middleweight Title (WBA, WBC) (2013-2015)
• Simultaneously held Unified Welterweight Title (WBC, WBA) and Unified Junior Middleweight Title (WBA, WBC) (2014-2015)
• Simultaneously held Unified Welterweight Title (WBC, WBA, WBO) and Unified Junior Middleweight Title (WBA, WBC) (2015)

The Ring Magazine Titles:
• World Lightweight Title (2002-2004)
• (2) World Welterweight Title (2006-2008, 2013-2015)
• World Junior Middleweight Title (2013-2015)

Lineal Titles:
• World Junior Lightweight Title (1998-2002)
• World Lightweight Title (2002-2004)
• (2) World Welterweight Title (2006-2008, 2010-2015)
• World Junior Middleweight Title (2013-2015)

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 19:54

ironbeard wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 17:58

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 14:32 Manny Pacquiao was the tax-dodging catchweight king who was rarely willing to undergo random unannounced blood based drug testing.

He was still a great fighter though, but nostalgia often compels people to perceive blissfully ignorant about historical reality.

Pac v Ugas is not nostalgia.

Pac v Thurman is not nostalgia.

FMJ has his own issues with performance enhancement, not all of which are alleged.

Catchweights, tax dodging and regaining from undergoing proper PED testing is not nostalgic either.

The Floyd Mayweather allegations were debunked by USADA, resulting in Thomas Hauser refusing to defend his own claims, and nor did he directly address USADA’s rebuttal.

And that’s not nostalgia either.

Do you honestly think you know more about the situation than I do?

I bet you don’t!

ironbeard wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 22:21

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 19:54

ironbeard wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 17:58
Pac v Ugas is not nostalgia.

Pac v Thurman is not nostalgia.

FMJ has his own issues with performance enhancement, not all of which are alleged.

Catchweights, tax dodging and regaining from undergoing proper PED testing is not nostalgic either.

The Floyd Mayweather allegations were debunked by USADA, resulting in Thomas Hauser refusing to defend his own claims, and nor did he directly address USADA’s rebuttal.

And that’s not nostalgia either.

Do you honestly think you know more about the situation than I do?

I bet you don’t!

I have no desire to spend that much time on this subject which has been and will be rehashed for decades.

Pac has never been busted for PEDs, ever.

His tax issues have 0 to do with his boxing legacy, period.

Pac has been a net positive for the sport, and FMJ has been a net negative, IMO.

FMJ has been good for FMJ, which is good business and I commend him for it.

Pac has accomplished more and taken more risks in his career than FMJ, IMO.

You and others have a different opinion.

So what and end of….

ironbeard wrote: ↑09 Aug 2021, 22:10I have no problem with catchweight fights unless they are for championships.

gregregegg wrote: ↑19 Aug 2021, 07:11 Very close, If we could have another floyd starting out now or another manny, id chose a manny.

Manny has longevity, weights, and how he fights.

Floyd has 50-0, Earnings and his win over manny.

Manny really should have a win over horn and bradly, floyd has an argument for 1 or 2 losses although no difinitive ones. acounting this evens it up a bit.

Right now id have floyd ahead mabey, if manny beats ugas (bookies think he will, i have my doubts) then that would even em up. if he were to beat spence or craw after for me that moves him ahead..

Bandog wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 18:29 The only person that dropped weight to face Floyd was Canelo, who offered to go to 150, and was 153 his previous fight.
Floyd went up for DLH. DLH went down to a weight he hadn't been in 9 yrs to fight Pac.
Margarito had to make 150 for a 154 fight.
Cotto had to make 145 for a 147 fight.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Aug 2021, 06:54

ironbeard wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 22:21

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 19:54
Catchweights, tax dodging and regaining from undergoing proper PED testing is not nostalgic either.

The Floyd Mayweather allegations were debunked by USADA, resulting in Thomas Hauser refusing to defend his own claims, and nor did he directly address USADA’s rebuttal.

And that’s not nostalgia either.

Do you honestly think you know more about the situation than I do?

I bet you don’t!

I have no desire to spend that much time on this subject which has been and will be rehashed for decades.

Pac has never been busted for PEDs, ever.

His tax issues have 0 to do with his boxing legacy, period.

Pac has been a net positive for the sport, and FMJ has been a net negative, IMO.

FMJ has been good for FMJ, which is good business and I commend him for it.

Pac has accomplished more and taken more risks in his career than FMJ, IMO.

You and others have a different opinion.

So what and end of….

I notice you didn't comment on catchweights or similar weight-related stipulations, since they're often used by the A-side to minimise risk?

If I recall correctly, Pacquiao ensured there were weight-related contractual stipulations that either resulted in bigger men being forced to fight "small" or smaller men forced to fight "big":

• Antonio Margarito
• Miguel Cotto
• Juan Manuel Marquez
• Oscar De La Hoya
• Chris Algieri

I could probably list a few extra names, if I performed some research, but these are the ones I've recalled from memory.

So are you saying you apply a different set of moral rules and standards to Manny Pacquiao than you do to Canelo?

Here's what you recently wrote:

ironbeard wrote: ↑09 Aug 2021, 22:10I have no problem with catchweight fights unless they are for championships.

On a separate note, technically speaking (in terms of accolades), Floyd Mayweather Jr. accomplished more.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Aug 2021, 08:26

Bandog wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 18:29 The only person that dropped weight to face Floyd was Canelo, who offered to go to 150, and was 153 his previous fight.
Floyd went up for DLH. DLH went down to a weight he hadn't been in 9 yrs to fight Pac.
Margarito had to make 150 for a 154 fight.
Cotto had to make 145 for a 147 fight.

What about when FMJ was supposed to meet JMM at a catchweight, he just paid him off.

Bandog wrote: ↑19 Aug 2021, 09:15

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Aug 2021, 08:26

Bandog wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 18:29 The only person that dropped weight to face Floyd was Canelo, who offered to go to 150, and was 153 his previous fight.
Floyd went up for DLH. DLH went down to a weight he hadn't been in 9 yrs to fight Pac.
Margarito had to make 150 for a 154 fight.
Cotto had to make 145 for a 147 fight.

What about when FMJ was supposed to meet JMM at a catchweight, he just paid him off.

Floyd did that, yes to avoid getting drained. Not sure about the paying off part. JMM who was #2 pfp then called Floyd out, and ultimately agreed to 147 vs 144. Weight issues weren't an issue for him and Canelo, it was a wide skills gap.

ironbeard wrote: ↑19 Aug 2021, 09:20

Bandog wrote: ↑19 Aug 2021, 09:15

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Aug 2021, 08:26

What about when FMJ was supposed to meet JMM at a catchweight, he just paid him off.

Floyd did that, yes to avoid getting drained. Not sure about the paying off part. JMM who was #2 pfp then called Floyd out, and ultimately agreed to 147 vs 144. Weight issues weren't an issue for him and Canelo, it was a wide skills gap.

Weight issues were an issue in both fights, but they likely would not have changed the outcomes.

Bandog wrote: ↑19 Aug 2021, 09:15

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑19 Aug 2021, 08:26

Bandog wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 18:29 The only person that dropped weight to face Floyd was Canelo, who offered to go to 150, and was 153 his previous fight.
Floyd went up for DLH. DLH went down to a weight he hadn't been in 9 yrs to fight Pac.
Margarito had to make 150 for a 154 fight.
Cotto had to make 145 for a 147 fight.

What about when FMJ was supposed to meet JMM at a catchweight, he just paid him off.

Floyd did that, yes to avoid getting drained. Not sure about the paying off part. JMM who was #2 pfp then called Floyd out, and ultimately agreed to 147 vs 144. Weight issues weren't an issue for him and Canelo, it was a wide skills gap.

The weight limit for the fight was originally 144 pounds. Two days before the weigh-in, Mayweather's team made overtures to Golden Boy Promotions in an effort to have Marquez agree to change weight on the bout agreements to be filed with the Nevada State Athletic Commission. However, Marquez's contract had already been filed reading 144 pounds, according to commission executive director Keith Kizer. But Kizer said the bout agreement was retrieved from the commission by Golden Boy Promotions and changed to 147 with Marquez initialing it. Mayweather's contract with 147 pounds was not filed with the commission until minutes before the weigh-in on Friday. Kizer said it was supposed to be filed on Wednesday. Kizer said the Mayweather camp asked to file it Thursday and he said OK, but that deadline also came and went. "We were very unhappy with the lateness of Mr. Mayweather's contract," Kizer said. Kizer said that had the bout agreements not been changed to 147, Mayweather would have faced a fine from the commission in addition to whatever penalty he had agreed to pay Marquez, which was $300,000 per pound. For being two pounds overweight, Kizer said the penalty would have been 10 percent of his purse, or $1 million. Had he been three pounds over, the figure would have jumped to a 20 percent fine.

Bandog wrote: ↑19 Aug 2021, 09:44

ironbeard wrote: ↑19 Aug 2021, 09:20

Bandog wrote: ↑19 Aug 2021, 09:15

Floyd did that, yes to avoid getting drained. Not sure about the paying off part. JMM who was #2 pfp then called Floyd out, and ultimately agreed to 147 vs 144. Weight issues weren't an issue for him and Canelo, it was a wide skills gap.

Weight issues were an issue in both fights, but they likely would not have changed the outcomes.

That was on the young cocky Canelo, saying he'd even go 150. Jumpstarted his career though to where he is today. He got more than just a boxing lesson from that event.

ironbeard wrote: ↑19 Aug 2021, 09:08

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑19 Aug 2021, 06:54

ironbeard wrote: ↑18 Aug 2021, 22:21
I have no desire to spend that much time on this subject which has been and will be rehashed for decades.

Pac has never been busted for PEDs, ever.

His tax issues have 0 to do with his boxing legacy, period.

Pac has been a net positive for the sport, and FMJ has been a net negative, IMO.

FMJ has been good for FMJ, which is good business and I commend him for it.

Pac has accomplished more and taken more risks in his career than FMJ, IMO.

You and others have a different opinion.

So what and end of….

I notice you didn't comment on catchweights or similar weight-related stipulations, since they're often used by the A-side to minimise risk?

If I recall correctly, Pacquiao ensured there were weight-related contractual stipulations that either resulted in bigger men being forced to fight "small" or smaller men forced to fight "big":

• Antonio Margarito
• Miguel Cotto
• Juan Manuel Marquez
• Oscar De La Hoya
• Chris Algieri

I could probably list a few extra names, if I performed some research, but these are the ones I've recalled from memory.

So are you saying you apply a different set of moral rules and standards to Manny Pacquiao than you do to Canelo?

Here's what you recently wrote:

ironbeard wrote: ↑09 Aug 2021, 22:10I have no problem with catchweight fights unless they are for championships.

On a separate note, technically speaking (in terms of accolades), Floyd Mayweather Jr. accomplished more.

No, FMJ sucked Canelo down for THEIR championship fight. I considered that BS at the time, and called FMJ out for it.

But it was a business decision and Canelo signed the contract, which applies to ALL catchweight fights. I also said that in that thread if not that post.

Of course, I don’t care enough about this or any conversation I have in this forum to spend the time to research someone’s previous posts on previous threads and quote him/her/they/EO out of context.

That would be an EO characteristic.