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That's why I used the word 'relative' novice.

He's literally had a handful of pro fights and is moving slowly but I don't expect fighters in the modern age to be propelled into big fights so soon.

With the exception of the likes of Joyce, dubois etc most unbeaten heavies seem to take about a decade before they move

I'm just not as angry as others seem about hrgovic.

I'm actually indifferent about his career.

I just have a ghoulish liking for padded unbeaten records, sometimes. It's much more preferable to fighters who we know are paid to roll over as a rule.

I will say that the promotional blurb for this fight is what angers the most. But that's always the case.

Under no circumstances is this an important or significant fight

12 fights in 4 years as a pro.

Boxing needs a power shift. Too many people scared of losing their cash cow and making as much money as they can in the process

Wales wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 03:40 12 fights in 4 years as a pro.

Boxing needs a power shift. Too many people scared of losing their cash cow and making as much money as they can in the process

Today boxing promoters get obsessed with 0s and that only worked against their fighters. No one want to see bumfighters. While it's possible to track watchable fighters even with losses. There're obvious examples of it. Noone cares about bumfighting eternal prospects of the 2016 Olympics, while the loss didn't affect Canelo's status.

DrDuke wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 04:04

Wales wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 03:40 12 fights in 4 years as a pro.

Boxing needs a power shift. Too many people scared of losing their cash cow and making as much money as they can in the process

Today boxing promoters get obsessed with 0s and that only worked against their fighters. No one want to see bumfighters. While it's possible to track watchable fighters even with losses. There're obvious examples of it. Noone cares about bumfighting eternal prospects of the 2016 Olympics, while the loss didn't affect Canelo's status.

Yeh, end up losing their 0 to a bum.. take the bigger fights, the one that will make the most money.

Have some bloody confidence in yourself and and boxer. Win and just keep winning.

If you’re good enough then yes, you will kee winning or even look good in a losing fight.

This is a dreadful match-up. Radonjic has faced three fighters with a winning record and I haven't heard of any of them. Hrgovic was a world class amateur / WSB fighter. I have always regarded him as potentially Joshua's biggest threat. I'm sympathetic to the fact that world level heavyweights want no part of him, but f*ck me they can do a lot better than this bloke surely.

I despair

Here are a selection of heavyweights they could approach with a view to getting Filip a decent fight. I'm sure several of them would be interested: Evgeny Romanov, Apti Davtaev, Sergei Kuzmin, Ali Eren Demirezen, Andrei Fedosov, Nathan Gorman, Andriy Rudenko, Jonnie Rice, Herve Hubeaux, Carlos Takam, Alen Babic, Kingsley Ibeh, Jose Larduet, Zhan Kossobutskiy, Kamil Sokolowskiy, Jerry Forrest, Christian Hammer, Dereck Chisora, David Price, Gerald Washington, Jarrell Miller, Robert Helenius, Adam Kownacki, Hughie Fury, Chris Arreola, Mariusz Wach, Bryant Jennings, Bermane Stiverne, Marco Huck, Travis Kauffman, Jack Mulowayi, Zhang Zhi Lei, Vladimir Tereshkin, Chazz Witherspoon, Nick Webb, Marcin Siwy, Joey Dawejko, Jermaine Franklin, Stephan Shaw, Cassius Chaney, Evgenios Lazaridis, Junior Fa, Hussein Muhammad, Evgeny Tischenko, Artem Suslenkov, Bogdan Dinu, Victor Vykhrist, Mihai Nistor. Vladimir Sirenko, Demsey McKean.

Ok some of these guys won't want to know. Some will demand too much money. Some are probably little if no better than Radonjic, but I'll bet somewhere in that lot are a few that would relish the opportunity to gatecrash the top 20 and would be prepared to put greed aside for their big chance and give it their all.

Peter Milas is fighting Tony Yoka on the same day.

Very sad that a promising young heavyweight like Milas was left inactive for 2 years. Had he been fighting regularly the past two years I would pick him to upset Yoka, but not now.

pure disgrace. fvckin 'ibf international heavyweight championship'! my ass!

Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 13:15 Peter Milas is fighting Tony Yoka on the same day.

Very sad that a promising young heavyweight like Milas was left inactive for 2 years. Had he been fighting regularly the past two years I would pick him to upset Yoka, but not now.

Feel for milas, was going great for a young heavy then just nothing, now a very tough fight. Had he have had 6 low to mid levle fights over the last 2 years he would be in a much better position for this fight.

Hope he has been in the gym, still a chance vs yoka for sure, milas can whack. If he wins he should call out babic and hrgovic..

while the fight that should be made is yoks vs hrgs, yoka vs milas is absolutely acceptable.

the hrgovic fight is nothing but a joke.

I'm not really buying that Hrgovic is totally avoided anymore.

I suspect the issue is the promoter Hearn/Sauerland (? ) is not making many offers to dangerous opponents or low money is being put up.

Hrgo should be out there demanding the Babic fight IMO. As he would surely crush his Croatian rival and increase his profile in the process.

peter barlow wrote: ↑30 Aug 2021, 16:23 I'm not really buying that Hrgovic is totally avoided anymore.

I suspect the issue is the promoter Hearn/Sauerland (? ) is not making many offers to dangerous opponents or low money is being put up.

Hrgo should be out there demanding the Babic fight IMO. As he would surely crush his Croatian rival and increase his profile in the process.

Well they signed a contract with Sky now.. so hopefully can give him some good fights.

Hrgovic another one who cant land a big fight and by all accounts several knocking back opportunities to step in ring with him which isn't a good look as there's not much quality out with the top Heavyweights,. Radonjic another guy who's ammased an unbeaten record and fought zilch, should be another routine KO for Hrgovic

At this point Hrgovic just needs to get back in the ring.

Whyte needs a fight too.

So does Joyce.

So does Ruiz.

So does Parker.

Crazy traffic jam in the heavyweight division.

Lots of fights not getting made, lots of money not getting made, lots of real boxing fans getting pissed off.

Marky is the new Arnold Gjerjaj who fought Haye (spell?)

Thomastearns wrote: ↑05 Sep 2021, 17:08 At this point Hrgovic just needs to get back in the ring.

Whyte needs a fight too.

So does Joyce.

So does Ruiz.

So does Parker.

Crazy traffic jam in the heavyweight division.

Lots of fights not getting made, lots of money not getting made, lots of real boxing fans getting pissed off.

I don’t understand the point you’re making, because all the names you’ve listed have all faced vastly superior opponents than anyone Hrgovic has been matched against within the last twelve months:

• Dillian Whyte = Alexander Povetkin
• Joe Joyce = Daniel Dubois and Carlos Takam
• Andy Ruiz Jr. = Chris Arreola
• Joseph Parker = Dereck Chisora and Junior Fa

And by the 10th September, Filip Hrgovic would have engaged in outrageously bad mismatches (over a twelve months period) against the likes of Rydell Booker, Alexandre Kartozia and Marko Radonjic.

You’re suggesting that Hrgovic “just needs to get back in the ring”, but how many stay-busy bouts against terribly mismatched opposition does a 29-year-old highly-experienced fighter really need?

Have you seen the amount of fights and achievements he’s accumulated in both the amateur ranks and the WSB?

He’s on the cusp of celebrating his four-year anniversary of competing as a pro, and a very decent argument can be made to suggest that his next opponent, Marko Radonjic, is inferior than the guy Hrgovic made his pro debut against (Raphael Zumbano).

I don’t dislike Filip Hrgovic, but there’s no denying he’s been badly managed.

And to be perfectly honest with you, it’s an utter disgrace to see the IBF rate Hrgovic so highly, considering the type of opposition he’s fought.

It is almost on a par with the rancid WBA’s decision to consider Mark De Mori as the 8th best heavyweight on the planet!

let's say for whatever reason no good opponent was available, was someone at least like jerry forrest really not available?!? its utter garbage, and his 2nd time in his last 3 he's fought someone id never heard of

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 04:05 let's say for whatever reason no good opponent was available, was someone at least like jerry forrest really not available?!? its utter garbage, and his 2nd time in his last 3 he's fought someone id never heard of

100% agree!

It’s not as if Hrgovic’s handlers are doing their upmost to build a loyal fanbase either, because as well as constantly engaging in mismatches, Filip seems to fight in a different country every time he competes (i.e. Croatia, Latvia, Germany, USA, Denmark, Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Austria etc.).

None of the mainstream casuals know anything about Filip Hrgovic.

In terms of his pro resume, Filip Hrgovic’s victories are not too dissimilar than Mark De Mori’s or Christopher Lovejoy’s.

DrDuke wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 04:04

Wales wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 03:40 12 fights in 4 years as a pro.

Boxing needs a power shift. Too many people scared of losing their cash cow and making as much money as they can in the process

Today boxing promoters get obsessed with 0s and that only worked against their fighters. No one want to see bumfighters. While it's possible to track watchable fighters even with losses. There're obvious examples of it. Noone cares about bumfighting eternal prospects of the 2016 Olympics, while the loss didn't affect Canelo's status.

Well it is a business first and these boxing folks all want paying. They're not fans and even if they are, it's strictly business before pleasure.


Despite all of this I'm happy to see Hrgovic back in the ring.

There won't be any belts on the line anytime soon and he needs to keep active. Marko Radonjic, the Montenegro Hammer, in the absence of any other volunteers, looks like a great opponent.

Of course, if Hrgovic was holding one of the major belts and avoiding his most potentially dangerous challengers, you know Crawford/Canelo style, things would be different.

To call yourself a true champion must always come with certain privileges, and also certain obligations.

In sport there's usually one rule for champions and another for challengers, and rightly so.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 13:19

DrDuke wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 04:04

Wales wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 03:40 12 fights in 4 years as a pro.

Boxing needs a power shift. Too many people scared of losing their cash cow and making as much money as they can in the process

Today boxing promoters get obsessed with 0s and that only worked against their fighters. No one want to see bumfighters. While it's possible to track watchable fighters even with losses. There're obvious examples of it. Noone cares about bumfighting eternal prospects of the 2016 Olympics, while the loss didn't affect Canelo's status.

Well it is a business first and these boxing folks all want paying. They're not fans and even if they are, it's strictly business before pleasure.


Despite all of this I'm happy to see Hrgovic back in the ring.

There won't be any belts on the line anytime soon and he needs to keep active. Marko Radonjic, the Montenegro Hammer, in the absence of any other volunteers, looks like a great opponent.

Of course, if Hrgovic was holding one of the major belts and avoiding his most potentially dangerous challengers, you know Crawford/Canelo style, things would be different.

To call yourself a true champion must always come with certain privileges, and also certain obligations.

In sport there's usually one rule for champions and another for challengers, and rightly so.

get a grip.

What a terrible match-up.

If i were Hrgovic, i wouldnt walk on the streets.

Come on wake up.

Find your MATCH.

adislav123 wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 17:39

Thomastearns wrote: ↑06 Sep 2021, 13:19

DrDuke wrote: ↑29 Aug 2021, 04:04

Today boxing promoters get obsessed with 0s and that only worked against their fighters. No one want to see bumfighters. While it's possible to track watchable fighters even with losses. There're obvious examples of it. Noone cares about bumfighting eternal prospects of the 2016 Olympics, while the loss didn't affect Canelo's status.

Well it is a business first and these boxing folks all want paying. They're not fans and even if they are, it's strictly business before pleasure.


Despite all of this I'm happy to see Hrgovic back in the ring.

There won't be any belts on the line anytime soon and he needs to keep active. Marko Radonjic, the Montenegro Hammer, in the absence of any other volunteers, looks like a great opponent.

Of course, if Hrgovic was holding one of the major belts and avoiding his most potentially dangerous challengers, you know Crawford/Canelo style, things would be different.

To call yourself a true champion must always come with certain privileges, and also certain obligations.

In sport there's usually one rule for champions and another for challengers, and rightly so.

get a grip.

I'm happy to watch this fight, but I can't help it if you're not.

If you don't happen to like it, then don't watch it, and certainly don't pay for it. No one is holding a gun.

As I said it's one thing for a champion to avoid his main rival and take easier options, and it's quite another for an upcoming fighter to carefully select his route to the top.

If Hrgovic wants to be the heavyweight champion of the world he only has to bide his time. None of his serious rivals are much younger.

Currently the unfortunate Joe Joyce is the man running out of time at 36. After his brilliant win over Daniel Dubois he should have been in line for a title shot.

In almost any other era, he would be.

With a bit of luck all will be clearer in just a little over 4 weeks.

What time is DAZN showing this in the UK?

At age of 52, Zeljko Mavrovic returning to boxing after 23 years lol

would still be one of hrgovic's best opponents

This is going to portray myself as a bitter and twisted individual, but part of me wants to see Filip Hrgovic lose his fight against the outrageously abysmal Marko Radonjic.

It’s not because I’m a so-called “hater” of Hrgovic, it’s just that I’ve lost patience with the Croatian hype job.

He’s been competing as a pro for four years, but his career hasn’t progressed one iota since his debut!

Hrgovic just keeps engaging in hideously obscene mismatches!

For sure, I realise he might have talent and potential, but he’s made himself irrelevant by continually facing clueless no-hopers.

Therefore, I want to see him lose, because he might need a kick up the backside to start taking his career seriously!