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A bookie offering odds on an exhibition match between two mates deserves to be fleeced

gregregegg wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 05:46 Not a pro fight which makes it interesting. i would of thought when it got changed to an exibition sports books would of voided bets. but you gotta do that befor the fight in my opinion

Betting on exhibitions makes no sense because in an exhibition athletes are allowed to do what they want really i would of though, its not fighting, its not acting, but its somewhere inbetween. If Haye or any of Hays close mates have lumped on haye by points then it will be interesting..

But as for the general public, everyone betting on this knew (or should of known) what they were betting on, not boxing ability and IF haye Could knock him, but instead they were betting on weather or not Haye would choose to KO his mate, or if they were going to dance around and mug the public off.

My bets doesn't get voided and I had a Haye ko, Anderson win, Belfort win acca

forcefraser wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 13:50 A bookie offering odds on an exhibition match between two mates deserves to be fleeced

I thinkthe bookies taking bets would have made money because all the punters would be putting down on a stoppage, not going the distance.

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 14:07

gregregegg wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 05:46 Not a pro fight which makes it interesting. i would of thought when it got changed to an exibition sports books would of voided bets. but you gotta do that befor the fight in my opinion

Betting on exhibitions makes no sense because in an exhibition athletes are allowed to do what they want really i would of though, its not fighting, its not acting, but its somewhere inbetween. If Haye or any of Hays close mates have lumped on haye by points then it will be interesting..

But as for the general public, everyone betting on this knew (or should of known) what they were betting on, not boxing ability and IF haye Could knock him, but instead they were betting on weather or not Haye would choose to KO his mate, or if they were going to dance around and mug the public off.

My bets doesn't get voided and I had a Haye ko, Anderson win, Belfort win acca

Yea, kinda sucks for you. But when you bet on haye vs his mate you definatly knew this was a fairly likely possibility.

If haye carrying the fight wasn’t a possibility haye by KO would of been paying very very little.

Ricky wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 06:36

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 06:32 Don’t bookies take bets on Wrestlemania as well, despite everyone knowing the outcome is pre-determined? Very strange imo.

Well that's a good point, you can also bet on Eastenders and who killed Phil Mitchell. I guess it only works with some kind of regulation that the betting markets can be confident its kept under wraps. I also think that bettors know they're betting on a scripted outcome; but to bet on something that's presented to you as a sporting contest only to find out after the event it wasn't a legitimate contest feels unfair to say the least.

I swear to fcuk years ago I put a bet on the World Cup of crisps. I bet monster munch and they won. Think it was 10/1. bloody ridiculous now thinking about it..

ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 16:03

Ricky wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 06:36

Boxerbeetle wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 06:32 Don’t bookies take bets on Wrestlemania as well, despite everyone knowing the outcome is pre-determined? Very strange imo.

Well that's a good point, you can also bet on Eastenders and who killed Phil Mitchell. I guess it only works with some kind of regulation that the betting markets can be confident its kept under wraps. I also think that bettors know they're betting on a scripted outcome; but to bet on something that's presented to you as a sporting contest only to find out after the event it wasn't a legitimate contest feels unfair to say the least.

I swear to fcuk years ago I put a bet on the World Cup of crisps. I bet monster munch and they won. Think it was 10/1. bloody ridiculous now thinking about it..

I expect you made a packet...

gregregegg wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 15:51

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 14:07

gregregegg wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 05:46 Not a pro fight which makes it interesting. i would of thought when it got changed to an exibition sports books would of voided bets. but you gotta do that befor the fight in my opinion

Betting on exhibitions makes no sense because in an exhibition athletes are allowed to do what they want really i would of though, its not fighting, its not acting, but its somewhere inbetween. If Haye or any of Hays close mates have lumped on haye by points then it will be interesting..

But as for the general public, everyone betting on this knew (or should of known) what they were betting on, not boxing ability and IF haye Could knock him, but instead they were betting on weather or not Haye would choose to KO his mate, or if they were going to dance around and mug the public off.

My bets doesn't get voided and I had a Haye ko, Anderson win, Belfort win acca

Yea, kinda sucks for you. But when you bet on haye vs his mate you definatly knew this was a fairly likely possibility.

If haye carrying the fight wasn’t a possibility haye by KO would of been paying very very little.

Funnily enough on the day of the fight the odds changed by about 25% in favour of points..... guess Haye told his mates to bet on points and the price changed

ct1976 wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 08:14 I always thought the Harrison fight was extremely suspect so wouldn't put anything past Haye in that regard.

All Haye’s mates went in huge on round 3 apparently.

I haven’t really got a problem with that. It’s a huge gamble he’s taking, if he gasses out or gets clipped taking the extra risk then he’s potentially getting knocked out. The only issue for me is if Audley was in on the round 3 & I don’t think he was.

I’ve heard a few rumours about some stoppages on MTK shows but I wouldn’t have a clue if it’s true or not. It wouldn’t surprise me with Kinahan been involved in fixing horse races.

If anyone’s daft enough to bet on these Triller cards then they deserve all they get.

It might seem harsh but they’re freak shows.

milpool wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 16:13

ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 16:03

Ricky wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 06:36

Well that's a good point, you can also bet on Eastenders and who killed Phil Mitchell. I guess it only works with some kind of regulation that the betting markets can be confident its kept under wraps. I also think that bettors know they're betting on a scripted outcome; but to bet on something that's presented to you as a sporting contest only to find out after the event it wasn't a legitimate contest feels unfair to say the least.

I swear to fcuk years ago I put a bet on the World Cup of crisps. I bet monster munch and they won. Think it was 10/1. bloody ridiculous now thinking about it..

I expect you made a packet...

not bad.

milpool wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 16:13

ShadrachSimmo wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 16:03

Ricky wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 06:36

Well that's a good point, you can also bet on Eastenders and who killed Phil Mitchell. I guess it only works with some kind of regulation that the betting markets can be confident its kept under wraps. I also think that bettors know they're betting on a scripted outcome; but to bet on something that's presented to you as a sporting contest only to find out after the event it wasn't a legitimate contest feels unfair to say the least.

I swear to fcuk years ago I put a bet on the World Cup of crisps. I bet monster munch and they won. Think it was 10/1. bloody ridiculous now thinking about it..

I expect you made a packet...

a force wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 16:41 If anyone’s daft enough to bet on these Triller cards then they deserve all they get.

It might seem harsh but they’re freak shows.

True but wasn’t my life savings

a force wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 16:40

ct1976 wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 08:14 I always thought the Harrison fight was extremely suspect so wouldn't put anything past Haye in that regard.

All Haye’s mates went in huge on round 3 apparently.

I haven’t really got a problem with that. It’s a huge gamble he’s taking, if he gasses out or gets clipped taking the extra risk then he’s potentially getting knocked out. The only issue for me is if Audley was in on the round 3 & I don’t think he was.

I’ve heard a few rumours about some stoppages on MTK shows but I wouldn’t have a clue if it’s true or not. It wouldn’t surprise me with Kinahan been involved in fixing horse races.

There was some video at the time which seemed to show Haye saying ‘now’ or something before koing him. And Audley didn’t throw a punch. But it doesn’t make sense really

Of course he is, the man needs the money. He was flogging stuff on ebay a while back, trying to market masks, trying to play poker etc.

What does he blow all his cash on ??

The match-fixing question is only relevant if it is a sanctioned fight. And even then, the difficulty is the small matter of proving it. "It's obvious" isn't enough legally.

olij999 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021, 10:00 The match-fixing question is only relevant if it is a sanctioned fight. And even then, the difficulty is the small matter of proving it. "It's obvious" isn't enough legally.

I disagree. It was still a sporting event to the point it had a referee, a time keeper and 3 judges all officiating the event - not to mention there was a betting market for the contest. What difference does it make if it's on his official record or not? All the ingredients are there to commit betting fraud.

maybe this farce was behind his split from chisora .

high tower 1 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021, 07:09 What does he blow all his cash on ??

He is a funny character - he seems to have so many sides and you cannot really take anything that comes from his mouth seriously.

He sounds like his lives a great life, holidaying, booze, women etc - but then he has also talked about his "clean" living in cyprus or whatever it was.

Remember when he turned pro and he did a diary for one of those boxing websites - think Ben Carey wrote the article and it was a bit like Craig David's song.

I dont know what price it was to go the distance but even if he had a network of friends willing to place bets for him I wouldn’t have thought they would have been able to wager enough to make a significant profit

Remember Haye saying he'd retire at 30?

stujones wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021, 14:18

high tower 1 wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021, 07:09 What does he blow all his cash on ??

He is a funny character - he seems to have so many sides and you cannot really take anything that comes from his mouth seriously.

He sounds like his lives a great life, holidaying, booze, women etc - but then he has also talked about his "clean" living in cyprus or whatever it was.

Remember when he turned pro and he did a diary for one of those boxing websites - think Ben Carey wrote the article and it was a bit like Craig David's song.

Didn't he allege he was vegan at one point?

CaptainSpacerod wrote: ↑13 Sep 2021, 14:22 I dont know what price it was to go the distance but even if he had a network of friends willing to place bets for him I wouldn’t have thought they would have been able to wager enough to make a significant profit

They pulled the betting on Paddy Power but didn't void any bets. The price on points had changed by about 25% too

KiwiRider wrote: ↑12 Sep 2021, 05:29 This from Boxing24/7:

David Haye (29-4, 26 KOs) defeated his good friend Joe Fournier (9-1, 9 KOs) by an eight round unanimous decision in a strange-looking fight that looked fake. It seemed clear that the former two-division world champion Haye, 40, carried his buddy Fournier rather than blasting him out. The scores were 79-72, 80-71, and 79-72. Interestingly, Haye used the spotlight after the match to ask Tyson Fury to give him a title shot. The way that Fury has stalled out his career, it wouldn’t be surprising if he accommodates Haye.

Please, don't give them any ideas.

Fury signs to fight Haye and the fight keeps getting postponed because Haye pops his Achilles adjusting the massage seats on his Rolls-Royce, then latterly stubs his toe getting out of bed in the morning and is out for three years.

I've notice Haye has been a little careful with his words - he says he wants Fury, but hasn't stipulated the terms - yes people seem to be assuming its 12 x 3 for the WBC Heavyweight title..... I actually think Haye only wants an exhibition.... even in an exhibition like he just had (I'm still not sure if it was a sanctioned fight) - Haye was caught too many times - Fournier really shouldn't have landed anything on Haye if he genuinely thinks he is better than he was 5 years ago.

I'm not doubting that Haye held back from throwing his right hand not to hurt Fournier and maybe even to hide things from Fury (but then why SAY that after), but not convinced he let Fournier actually land some half hearted punches himself to make Fury think "oh his reflexives have gone".

Whatever happens either Haye is very clever or very delusional. If it happens and it will be a "triller" esque fight then well done, if it is a "proper" world title fight then I sincerely hope its not going to be another Nicky Cook, Darren Barker or Haye vs Bellew 2 black mark for the game..... Defensively he looked pretty poor, even in an exhibition.