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Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 09 Oct 2021, 08:30
by Bandog
Lackeos wrote: ↑09 Oct 2021, 03:07
caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2021, 22:38Think about the last 20-30 years and who the P4P guys were. I can’t really come up with an instance in which the top guy lost vs. a solid quality contender.
Here's some close comparisons that come to mind:
Hopkins - Taylor
Pacquiao - Horn
Lomachenko - Lopez
Kiltschko - Fury
Mosley - Forrest
Lewis - McCall
Lewis - Rahman
I agree with all, except Klitschko - Fury. Once boxers get 40+, it's not an upset.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 09 Oct 2021, 08:36
by Bandog
Pac beating Thurman was a much bigger shock to me than Ugas beating Pac.
If Canelo only wins by majority or split decision, I'll be shocked enough.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 09 Oct 2021, 13:34
by Syntax Error
It would be an humongous shock to me if Plant beats Alvarez.
Plant is obviously a very good world class operator, but Canelo is a once in a generation type fighter and he is bang in his prime.
I cannot see past Canelo at all.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 09 Oct 2021, 17:42
by Bandog
Waiting for EO to do research, and post irrefutable facts supporting his position.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 09 Oct 2021, 17:52
by Bandog
Syntax Error wrote: ↑09 Oct 2021, 13:34
It would be an humongous shock to me if Plant beats Alvarez.
Plant is obviously a very good world class operator, but Canelo is a once in a generation type fighter and he is bang in his prime.
I cannot see past Canelo at all.
A 36 yr old past his prime Floyd schooled Canelo, who already had 40+ fights. Not sure if Canelo even won a round. Only saw Plant a couple times. He's skilled, no doubt, but Floyd didn't even get a UD. Plant has to KO Canelo to win.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 09 Oct 2021, 21:53
by caldo2025
Lackeos wrote: ↑09 Oct 2021, 03:07
caldo2025 wrote: ↑08 Oct 2021, 22:38Think about the last 20-30 years and who the P4P guys were. I can’t really come up with an instance in which the top guy lost vs. a solid quality contender.
Here's some close comparisons that come to mind:
Hopkins - Taylor
Pacquiao - Horn
Lomachenko - Lopez
Kiltschko - Fury
Mosley - Forrest
Lewis - McCall
Lewis - Rahman
Respectfully disagree that any of the fellas on the left even came close to Canelo’s level of fandom. For instance, the purses aren’t even close and unless I’m mistaken (AGAIN), none of these fights were PPV bouts. None of these guys ruled the roost of Boxing like Canelo does or like Floyd did. Hopkins was never a fan favorite until the end and Klitschko fought the “boring” tag his whole career. Pacman was robbed. Mosely is the most overrated boxer in history. Sorry, now I’m just nitpicking when you just suggested some possible instances. Sorry. I appreciate the feedback.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 09 Oct 2021, 21:59
by Impractical Poster
After seeing Plant miss with the sucker punch and get countered during the face off, I'd be extremely surprised if he beats Canelo..
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 12 Oct 2021, 17:47
by Bandog
546834 wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 17:15
I would break it down like this:
Speed: Plant
Height: Plant
Reach: Plant
Strength: Plant
Power: Canelo
Experience: Canelo
If Canelo can't land that big bomb like he did on Saunders he's in trouble.
Caleb Plant WILL win 7 possibly even 8 rounds in this contest. He'll deserve the UD but he wont get it.
The corruption crew will attempt to make it look closer but they'll have no choice but to give CP the SD and the full champ collection, as it were.
Plant will give a good fight I think/hope. Even if he loses, it will be fun to watch considering the animosity between them.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 12 Oct 2021, 19:48
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Plant does nothing better than canelo and canel is a true pro
Plant wont win
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 12 Oct 2021, 20:08
by oogiebe
546834 wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 17:15
I would break it down like this:
Speed: Plant
Height: Plant
Reach: Plant
Strength: Plant
Power: Canelo
Experience: Canelo
If Canelo can't land that big bomb like he did on Saunders he's in trouble.
Caleb Plant WILL win 7 possibly even 8 rounds in this contest. He'll deserve the UD but he wont get it.
The corruption crew will attempt to make it look closer but they'll have no choice but to give CP the SD and the full champ collection, as it were.
nutter
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 13 Oct 2021, 07:01
by apollo creed
Maybe for the 4-5 rounds Plant will look good.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 13 Oct 2021, 07:56
by Bandog
apollo creed wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 07:01
Maybe for the 4-5 rounds Plant will look good.
Do you think Plant if more elusive than BJS? I didn't see the fight, but read it would have been a close fight if Canelo didn't land that big shot? We'll see what Plant brings I guess.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 13 Oct 2021, 09:13
by bobcatbox
If plant makes it to the 7th round it will be a big shock for me.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 13 Oct 2021, 11:19
by oogiebe
bobcatbox wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 09:13
If plant makes it to the 7th round it will be a big shock for me.
Same.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 13 Oct 2021, 11:20
by apollo creed
Bandog wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 07:56
apollo creed wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 07:01
Maybe for the 4-5 rounds Plant will look good.
Do you think Plant if more elusive than BJS? I didn't see the fight, but read it would have been a close fight if Canelo didn't land that big shot? We'll see what Plant brings I guess.
Plant is an 168 pounder who is staying in good shape compared with the lazy BJS. Canelo was patiently chopping down BJS.
Not more elusive than BJS but much better strength and conditioning.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 13 Oct 2021, 12:12
by Enlightened-One
apollo creed wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 11:20
Bandog wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 07:56
apollo creed wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 07:01
Maybe for the 4-5 rounds Plant will look good.
Do you think Plant if more elusive than BJS? I didn't see the fight, but read it would have been a close fight if Canelo didn't land that big shot? We'll see what Plant brings I guess.
Plant is an 168 pounder who is staying in good shape compared with the lazy BJS. Canelo was patiently chopping down BJS.
Not more elusive than BJS but much better strength and conditioning.
To be fair, Saunders was rated above Plant and had been for quite some time prior to Billy Joe’s own fight against Canelo.
And there wasn’t any real indication of Saunders lacking in strength and conditioning when he was actually “up” for a fight.
The Brit didn’t fade against Lemieux and was actually looking better as the fight progressed in the Canelo bout (as his confidence grew).
Obviously Canelo was setting up traps to force the stoppage, but Billy Joe didn’t lose the fight due to being unfit/fatigue.
The CompuBox career stats also suggests that Saunders throws a similar amount of shots per round than Plant, but is statistically more efficient (accurate) and more elusive.
Caleb Plant is going to need “something” more than a good physique.
Surely you must have learned that from last weekend’s shenanigans?
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 13 Oct 2021, 18:32
by oogiebe
546834 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 18:04
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 12:12
The CompuBox career stats also suggests that Saunders throws a similar amount of shots per round than Plant, but is statistically more efficient (accurate) and more elusive.
Post that for us since you like to fabricate your own "facts" there scooter
According to Compubox, Saunders throws an average of 38.9 punches per round. Plant is not on their top 100 list.
Saunders lands 21.8% of his punches. Again Plant didn't make the list.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 13 Oct 2021, 18:49
by oogiebe
546834 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 18:47
oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 18:32
According to Compubox, Saunders throws an average of 38.9 punches per round. Plant is not on their top 100 list.
Saunders lands 21.8% of his punches. Again Plant didn't make the list.
So youre clueless too, is that it?
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 13 Oct 2021, 18:58
by oogiebe
546834 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 18:52
oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 18:49
546834 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 18:47
So youre clueless too, is that it?
Ill take that as a YES.
Your idiocy is never ending. LMFAO!
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 13 Oct 2021, 19:18
by oogiebe
546834 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 19:15
oogiebe wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 11:19
bobcatbox wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 09:13
If plant makes it to the 7th round it will be a big shock for me.
Same.
Bet me on it fagstick.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 13 Oct 2021, 21:04
by Bandog
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 12:12
apollo creed wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 11:20
Bandog wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 07:56
Do you think Plant if more elusive than BJS? I didn't see the fight, but read it would have been a close fight if Canelo didn't land that big shot? We'll see what Plant brings I guess.
Plant is an 168 pounder who is staying in good shape compared with the lazy BJS. Canelo was patiently chopping down BJS.
Not more elusive than BJS but much better strength and conditioning.
To be fair, Saunders was rated above Plant and had been for quite some time prior to Billy Joe’s own fight against Canelo.
And there wasn’t any real indication of Saunders lacking in strength and conditioning when he was actually “up” for a fight.
The Brit didn’t fade against Lemieux and was actually looking better as the fight progressed in the Canelo bout (as his confidence grew).
Obviously Canelo was setting up traps to force the stoppage, but Billy Joe didn’t lose the fight due to being unfit/fatigue.
The CompuBox career stats also suggests that Saunders throws a similar amount of shots per round than Plant, but is statistically more efficient (accurate) and more elusive.
Caleb Plant is going to need “something” more than a good physique.
Surely you must have learned that from last weekend’s shenanigans?
What does a fight vs Lemieux 4 years ago have to do with anything?
Still waiting for your extensive research unequivocally proving without a shadow of a doubt that Pac losing to Ugas would be more of an upset then Plant losing to Canelo.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 14 Oct 2021, 02:46
by apollo creed
546834 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 17:58
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 12:12
apollo creed wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 11:20
Plant is an 168 pounder who is staying in good shape compared with the lazy BJS. Canelo was patiently chopping down BJS.
Not more elusive than BJS but much better strength and conditioning.
To be fair, Saunders was rated above Plant and had been for quite some time prior to Billy Joe’s own fight against Canelo.
And there wasn’t any real indication of Saunders lacking in strength and conditioning when he was actually “up” for a fight.
The Brit didn’t fade against Lemieux and was actually looking better as the fight progressed in the Canelo bout (as his confidence grew).
Obviously Canelo was setting up traps to force the stoppage, but Billy Joe didn’t lose the fight due to being unfit/fatigue.
The CompuBox career stats also suggests that Saunders throws a similar amount of shots per round than Plant, but is statistically more efficient (accurate) and more elusive.
Caleb Plant is going to need “something” more than a good physique.
Surely you must have learned that from last weekend’s shenanigans?
Total rambling nonsense from a guy who clearly doesnt have a clue
yeah, eo is talking like a delusional parrot
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 14 Oct 2021, 06:32
by Enlightened-One
apollo creed wrote: ↑14 Oct 2021, 02:46
546834 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 17:58
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 12:12
To be fair, Saunders was rated above Plant and had been for quite some time prior to Billy Joe’s own fight against Canelo.
And there wasn’t any real indication of Saunders lacking in strength and conditioning when he was actually “up” for a fight.
The Brit didn’t fade against Lemieux and was actually looking better as the fight progressed in the Canelo bout (as his confidence grew).
Obviously Canelo was setting up traps to force the stoppage, but Billy Joe didn’t lose the fight due to being unfit/fatigue.
The CompuBox career stats also suggests that Saunders throws a similar amount of shots per round than Plant, but is statistically more efficient (accurate) and more elusive.
Caleb Plant is going to need “something” more than a good physique.
Surely you must have learned that from last weekend’s shenanigans?
Total rambling nonsense from a guy who clearly doesnt have a clue
yeah, eo is talking like a delusional parrot
"Canelo Alvarez pays underhand compliment to Billy Joe Saunders ahead of Caleb Plant fight"
The pound-for-pound king has claimed that Plant will be easier to defeat than his previous test against southpaw Billy Joe Saunders, when he returns in a bid to become undisputed champion.
Canelo Alvarez has claimed his meeting with Caleb Plant will be easier than his last fight against Billy Joe Saunders.
The Mexican returns to the ring next month in another huge contest, for the undisputed super-middleweight titles.
And he defeated Saunders last time out, with a thundering barrage in the eighth-round forcing the Briton to retire.
Alvarez has admitted that Saunders could have been a sterner test than his next opponent Plant, due to his southpaw style.
“Yeah, the fight is same but different because Billy Joe Saunders southpaw and Caleb Plant is orthodox," Canelo said on The Last Stand. "I think it’s going to be maybe a little easy for me.
“The first rounds [against Plant] is going to be difficult because of his style, but I know, I know how to break down that style. So maybe after five rounds I’m gonna do my things.”
This is a post I submitted to the forum on the 20th May:
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑20 May 2021, 12:23
Am I alone in thinking that Caleb Plant is an inferior fighter than Billy Joe Saunders?
The American may slightly bigger than the Brit, but he’s also less experienced and possesses a significantly weaker resume.
Caleb Plant’s entire reputation is reliant on his victories over Caleb Truax and Jose Uzcategui. He’s got a Demetrius Andrade type professional resume, minus Boo Boo’s amateur credentials.
The American is probably going to employ the shoulder roll, keeping his left arm low to bait Canelo (by giving an opening), and then rolling the shoulder to set the Mexican up with a counter right hands whenever Alvarez throws shots the the head. That's what he'll initially try to do, anyway...
However, Canelo’s seen it all before and will easily negate that tactic.
He’ll just use footwork and feinting to prevent Caleb from planting his feet to the canvas, whilst hammering away heavy straights to the chest (in an Errol Spence-esque manner).
Canelo might even employ the same tactic he used against Callum Smith, by targeting heavy blows to Plant’s left bicep to negate his jab.
And if the American feels he has to abandon the shoulder roll, which I’ve seen him do on occasion (as per the Truax fight), then he’ll be wide open for uppercuts and hooks to the body.
I’ll probably be proven wrong about this, but
I feel Canelo will have a much easier time against Plant than he did for the Saunders fight.
It’s just that I’ve watched a few Caleb Plant fights and he fails my proverbial eyeball test. For sure, I’m not suggesting he’s “rubbish”, but I don’t think he’s as good as others claim him to be.
Plant is only rated highly by the media, due to a process of elimination (i.e. other fighters retiring, competing in different weight classes, or suffering defeats) rather than merit.
Prediction time: if Plant is negative and tries to survive, he may make it to the latter rounds. But if he’s ambitious and tries to win the fight, then he might get stopped before the sixth. Either way, I’ll be shocked if he manages to win a single round on the scorecards, regardless his approach.
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 14 Oct 2021, 08:15
by Bandog
apollo creed wrote: ↑14 Oct 2021, 02:46
546834 wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 17:58
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑13 Oct 2021, 12:12
To be fair, Saunders was rated above Plant and had been for quite some time prior to Billy Joe’s own fight against Canelo.
And there wasn’t any real indication of Saunders lacking in strength and conditioning when he was actually “up” for a fight.
The Brit didn’t fade against Lemieux and was actually looking better as the fight progressed in the Canelo bout (as his confidence grew).
Obviously Canelo was setting up traps to force the stoppage, but Billy Joe didn’t lose the fight due to being unfit/fatigue.
The CompuBox career stats also suggests that Saunders throws a similar amount of shots per round than Plant, but is statistically more efficient (accurate) and more elusive.
Caleb Plant is going to need “something” more than a good physique.
Surely you must have learned that from last weekend’s shenanigans?
Total rambling nonsense from a guy who clearly doesnt have a clue
yeah, eo is talking like a delusional parrot
Re: If Plant upsets Canelo, it will be a big shock for you ? Plant looks in very good shape and he's coming to win
Posted: 14 Oct 2021, 08:23
by apollo creed
Plant is a natural 168lber who stays in good shape and who beat a top smw in Uzcátegui . Lazy BJS had some lackluster fights @ 168 vs Isufi, Coceres and a shopworn Murray.
