WHAT A GREAT FIGHT! Thanks Gipsy King And Wilder for this great fight! One of the best HW fights in boxing history!

[peter barlow]

The tension and nerves in this fight I had to mute commentary at one point, unbelievable scenes

[Kronkpride]

I definitely agree that the muscle bound issue gets less and less the smaller the guys get.

At HW though and super HW....big muscle bound dudes are not the ticket. The guys with a little softer bodies who are huge will always have a big endurance advantage over them when trained properly.

Who knows what the real ratio is but when it comes to fueling the big bodies it takes much less oxygen to keep Fury going than it does to keep Wilder and Joshua going.

It is a significant advantage being able to retain ability to throw tons of punches every round without getting muscle bound gassed. There would really be nothing that Wilder or Joshua could ever do to train their bodies to lessen that advantage. Their muscles are going to put them in danger and tire them out every time they have a long hard fight against a guy like Fury. They cannot match the sustained stamina that Fury's body allows him to have.

[mcrow24]

I think Klitschko's are probably about as big as these giant heavyweights can be and still have good cardio. And they were exceptional.

[Thomastearns]

I definitely agree that the muscle bound issue gets less and less the smaller the guys get.

At HW though and super HW....big muscle bound dudes are not the ticket. The guys with a little softer bodies who are huge will always have a big endurance advantage over them when trained properly.

Who knows what the real ratio is but when it comes to fueling the big bodies it takes much less oxygen to keep Fury going than it does to keep Wilder and Joshua going.

It is a significant advantage being able to retain ability to throw tons of punches every round without getting muscle bound gassed. There would really be nothing that Wilder or Joshua could ever do to train their bodies to lessen that advantage. Their muscles are going to put them in danger and tire them out every time they have a long hard fight against a guy like Fury. They cannot match the sustained stamina that Fury's body allows him to have.

"Who knows what the real ratio is but when it comes to fueling the big bodies it takes much less oxygen to keep Fury going than it does to keep Wilder and Joshua going."



Looks like it.

There was some prefight debate about Wilder doing the wrong kind of training beforehand eg bench pressing.

Some don't agree with GGG and his Big Bear altitude training.

Perhaps boxers should take a closer look at what endurance cyclists and marathon runners do?

Tyson Fury certainly has tremendous stamina for such large man.


John Fury - Fat v Muscle

https://youtube.com/shorts/v1FHvRfC7cM?feature=

[Kronkpride]

I think Klitschko's are probably about as big as these giant heavyweights can be and still have good cardio. And they were exceptional.

The Klits lived very clean and never strayed far from top shape. Fury has not taken care of himself nearly as well as the Klits did but his body style allows more leeway to do so. Fury can get into fighting shape easier than anybody muscle bound near his size. Once his cardio is back up he is all set. His body doesn't empty his tank quickly like muscle dudes his size.

Wlad also had a master trainer in Emanuel Steward keeping him fighting the right style to win. He controlled the pace and range of almost all of his fights. Many fights he won basically 1 handed. But even at his very best Wlad was gonna be in danger anytime he was in a seriously grueling fight.

Fury vs Wlad was master boxer vs master boxer almost the entire time. The younger Fury edged him playing that game. If they had fought more of brutal fight Fury's edge in body style would have came into play too. Barring Wlad catching him with a KO blow Fury probably stops him later in the fight in a slug out match.

Vitali at his best would be the guy I would expect to give Fury the biggest problem due to durability and good stamina. But not hitting as hard as Wlad or boxing as well as Wlad would likely come into play too. Fury would probably win the decision if it went the distance.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Aj vs wilder is a great fight hopefully it happens

I think you are all overrating this fight but i get it... boxing sucks so bad a fun fight is bound to be called a classic

[Kronkpride]

I definitely agree that the muscle bound issue gets less and less the smaller the guys get.

At HW though and super HW....big muscle bound dudes are not the ticket. The guys with a little softer bodies who are huge will always have a big endurance advantage over them when trained properly.

Who knows what the real ratio is but when it comes to fueling the big bodies it takes much less oxygen to keep Fury going than it does to keep Wilder and Joshua going.

It is a significant advantage being able to retain ability to throw tons of punches every round without getting muscle bound gassed. There would really be nothing that Wilder or Joshua could ever do to train their bodies to lessen that advantage. Their muscles are going to put them in danger and tire them out every time they have a long hard fight against a guy like Fury. They cannot match the sustained stamina that Fury's body allows him to have.

"Who knows what the real ratio is but when it comes to fueling the big bodies it takes much less oxygen to keep Fury going than it does to keep Wilder and Joshua going."



Looks like it.

There was some prefight debate about Wilder doing the wrong kind of training beforehand eg bench pressing.

Some don't agree with GGG and his Big Bear altitude training.

Perhaps boxers should take a closer look at what endurance cyclists and marathon runners do?

Tyson Fury certainly has tremendous stamina for such large man.


John Fury - Fat v Muscle

https://youtube.com/shorts/v1FHvRfC7cM?feature=

Fury went up to Big Bear to try it but his body did not handle the altitude well so he came back down. His stamina is super crazy as it is. If he did train at altitude as well I imagine it would be even better. But Fury said the altitude was massing him up. He's a smart man who listens to his body so he left it behind.

The big muscle dudes ought to try it out themselves. If they can handle the training up there it is one thing that may reduce the edge Fury has on them.

I see threads about a 4th match...lol. If any such match were to happen Wilder's best bet would be to drop back to 215 or so and go up to Big Bear to get ready. Adding muscles and training in Tuscaloosa was bad strategy IMO. Even without altitude training his stamina would have been better at 215. His legs aren't built to carry much more than that. The extra strength for the inside game is not a good trade when it takes away stamina.

[The Gratest]

I think the thread about the 4th match is very much tongue-in-cheek Kronky. Maggie taking the piss out of Bandog and other Wilderites.

[locoxelbox]

It was a great fight for us fans - extremely exciting, but let's be honest - it wasn't at the level of a Bowe-Holfield, or even a Joshua-Usyk in terms of the skills on display. Wilder has a monster right hand but isn't a great boxer otherwise and a sloppy, overweight Fury still managed to outland him 2:1.

Agree. It was great drama but I´m not sure it was a great fight a la Bowe-Holyfield. There was too much clinching, headlocking, etc. The ref had a busy night. Still it will go down in history for the knockdowns, drama and turn of events.

[Perkin Warbeck]

[JoeCorrao]

2 terrible heavyweights in one of the most awkward pushfests ever. Neither guy has any smooth boxing skills, knockdowns were just fatigue and shoves. Neither guy knows how to throw a serious punch.

[apollo creed]

I'd like to see Fury vs Ruiz , each other weigh in 300 lbs in The War of HW chubbies!

[elmersalsa]

Classic? Lmao

Yes, it is.

[elmersalsa]

Classic? Lmao

Yes, it is.

[apollo creed]

That was a definite classic. Best HW match I've ever watched.

Wilder and AJ have the same flaw.....too much muscle and too little oxygen to feed it.

Wilder was dead tired by the 6th round carrying that extra muscle. His legs aren't built to carry that much weight up top. It did look like he trained a bit better but he still could not carry his steam with that extra muscle past 6 rounds. He would have been best off going into all 3 fights staying around that 212 area.

The biggest misconception in boxing is that muscular and chiseled bodies are preferable. They are not. These guys like Wilder and Joshua cannot fuel those bodies properly for long distance fighting. Lots of other muscle bound guys have been the same way.

Fury's less muscular body is massively easier to keep fueled for the long and steady haul. His body style is actually his biggest advantage over the rest of the big HW's today. Nobody else near his size can keep the foot on the gas for all 12 rounds without slowing down much and being at risk to blow themselves up after a super active round.

Big props to Wilder though. He is definitely the 2nd best big HW in the world. Unlike Joshua you have never seen any quit come out of him. Joshua has the muscle bound stamina issue and the mental weaknesses. Wilder even at the worst of times has never given up and been mentally broken. Too bad for him that Fury is in his era. Wilder likely would have ripped AJs head off and been the man of this era if not for the exceptional package of size, skill, endurance and mental strength that Fury brings. Fury is simply one of the very best HWs of all time. He has everything you want of a champ inside and outside of the ring. Huge entertainment value on top of the exceptional ring performances.

Great fight though. Will forget it.

Indeed Wilder's legs are too skinny and that its a huge disadvantage for a super HW. Anyway imo Wilder was in his best shape and he fought like lion even if he lost.

[apollo creed]

Afterwards, Fury said that when he approached Wilder post-fight, the 35-year-old wasn’t in any mood to congratulate him on his success.

“I just said ‘well done’ and he said ‘I don’t want to show any sportsmanship or respect’ and I said ‘no problem,'” Fury told BT Sport.

“I’m very surprised. Sore loser. An idiot. To be a top fighter, you’ve got to show guts and respect and he couldn’t do it tonight.”

Well, should we prepare for Wilder's new excuses?

[peter barlow]

Great fight to attract casuals into boxing

[Mexi-Box]

Great fight to attract casuals into boxing

100% agree there! People get mad when you crap on Rigondeaux, but he's a poison to this sport. No one outside of a tiny minority want to see a guy running all night.

These are the kinds of fights that grow the sport and have fans invested.

[peter barlow]

Great fight to attract casuals into boxing

100% agree there! People get mad when you crap on Rigondeaux, but he's a poison to this sport. No one outside of a tiny minority want to see a guy running all night.

These are the kinds of fights that grow the sport and have fans invested.

Yeah exactly mate, it's also the type of big fight that can turn casual followers into hardcore boxing fans.

It also keeps people's interest who drift away in the leaner times in boxing. Good night for the sport.

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Best shape wilder gasses after 5 rounds...

[Kronkpride]

Best shape wilder gasses after 5 rounds...

Nope....best shape Wilder knocks Fury down in round 12 and puts him in a spot to need a miracle rise to get the draw.

In fight #2 Wilder carried some extra weight but was not as prepared to carry it there as he was to carry even more weight in fight #3.

Wilder could train beyond anything he ever has and will still gas out every time in the 230s. And his legs and strength won't even increase for the inside fighting when he bulks up. His legs were so weak he was taking knees from Fury's weight on him the 3rd fight.

That was all because of his extra weight. Over 90% of his extra weight was upper body. He had to feed 20 useless muscle pounds up top and that starved his leg muscles of the oxygen they needed. His legs would have been stronger at 212 than at 230+.

A lot more people would have beaten Wilder if he carried 230+ into those fights. Many of his late KO wins would not have came for him. He would fade much more even against guys who weren't huge and leaning on him. 215 is the top weight he should ever fight at and he cannot get into better shape higher than that no matter what he does in training. Every extra pound cuts the edge off of the sharpest and best Wilder that can be put in the ring.

[xeo7]

2 terrible heavyweights in one of the most awkward pushfests ever. Neither guy has any smooth boxing skills, knockdowns were just fatigue and shoves. Neither guy knows how to throw a serious punch.

Huh ?

Wtf are you watching golf or some crap ?

Are you the guy that writes excuses for bad losers ?

[Bandog]

2 terrible heavyweights in one of the most awkward pushfests ever. Neither guy has any smooth boxing skills, knockdowns were just fatigue and shoves. Neither guy knows how to throw a serious punch.

To be honest, you are right. Furys best asset is his size. Wilders best asset is a hard right. Fury boxes better than Wilder, but that isn't saying much. A slick well schooled boxer near their size would embarass either guy.

[xeo7]

2 terrible heavyweights in one of the most awkward pushfests ever. Neither guy has any smooth boxing skills, knockdowns were just fatigue and shoves. Neither guy knows how to throw a serious punch.

To be honest, you are right. Furys best asset is his size. Wilders best asset is a hard right. Fury boxes better than Wilder, but that isn't saying much. A slick well schooled boxer near their size would embarass either guy.

OMG

[mcrow24]

2 terrible heavyweights in one of the most awkward pushfests ever. Neither guy has any smooth boxing skills, knockdowns were just fatigue and shoves. Neither guy knows how to throw a serious punch.

To be honest, you are right. Furys best asset is his size. Wilders best asset is a hard right. Fury boxes better than Wilder, but that isn't saying much. A slick well schooled boxer near their size would embarass either guy.

OMG

These people acting like Fury isn't a good boxer....