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Kronkpride wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 10:08 I definitely agree that the muscle bound issue gets less and less the smaller the guys get.

At HW though and super HW....big muscle bound dudes are not the ticket. The guys with a little softer bodies who are huge will always have a big endurance advantage over them when trained properly.

Who knows what the real ratio is but when it comes to fueling the big bodies it takes much less oxygen to keep Fury going than it does to keep Wilder and Joshua going.

It is a significant advantage being able to retain ability to throw tons of punches every round without getting muscle bound gassed. There would really be nothing that Wilder or Joshua could ever do to train their bodies to lessen that advantage. Their muscles are going to put them in danger and tire them out every time they have a long hard fight against a guy like Fury. They cannot match the sustained stamina that Fury's body allows him to have.

571103 wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 10:14 I think Klitschko's are probably about as big as these giant heavyweights can be and still have good cardio. And they were exceptional.

Thomastearns wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 10:28

Kronkpride wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 10:08 I definitely agree that the muscle bound issue gets less and less the smaller the guys get.

At HW though and super HW....big muscle bound dudes are not the ticket. The guys with a little softer bodies who are huge will always have a big endurance advantage over them when trained properly.

Who knows what the real ratio is but when it comes to fueling the big bodies it takes much less oxygen to keep Fury going than it does to keep Wilder and Joshua going.

It is a significant advantage being able to retain ability to throw tons of punches every round without getting muscle bound gassed. There would really be nothing that Wilder or Joshua could ever do to train their bodies to lessen that advantage. Their muscles are going to put them in danger and tire them out every time they have a long hard fight against a guy like Fury. They cannot match the sustained stamina that Fury's body allows him to have.

"Who knows what the real ratio is but when it comes to fueling the big bodies it takes much less oxygen to keep Fury going than it does to keep Wilder and Joshua going."



Looks like it.

There was some prefight debate about Wilder doing the wrong kind of training beforehand eg bench pressing.

Some don't agree with GGG and his Big Bear altitude training.

Perhaps boxers should take a closer look at what endurance cyclists and marathon runners do?

Tyson Fury certainly has tremendous stamina for such large man.


John Fury - Fat v Muscle

https://youtube.com/shorts/v1FHvRfC7cM?feature=

jezzamundo wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 09:00 It was a great fight for us fans - extremely exciting, but let's be honest - it wasn't at the level of a Bowe-Holfield, or even a Joshua-Usyk in terms of the skills on display. Wilder has a monster right hand but isn't a great boxer otherwise and a sloppy, overweight Fury still managed to outland him 2:1.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 06:36 Classic? Lmao

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 06:36 Classic? Lmao

Kronkpride wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 09:47 That was a definite classic. Best HW match I've ever watched.

Wilder and AJ have the same flaw.....too much muscle and too little oxygen to feed it.

Wilder was dead tired by the 6th round carrying that extra muscle. His legs aren't built to carry that much weight up top. It did look like he trained a bit better but he still could not carry his steam with that extra muscle past 6 rounds. He would have been best off going into all 3 fights staying around that 212 area.

The biggest misconception in boxing is that muscular and chiseled bodies are preferable. They are not. These guys like Wilder and Joshua cannot fuel those bodies properly for long distance fighting. Lots of other muscle bound guys have been the same way.

Fury's less muscular body is massively easier to keep fueled for the long and steady haul. His body style is actually his biggest advantage over the rest of the big HW's today. Nobody else near his size can keep the foot on the gas for all 12 rounds without slowing down much and being at risk to blow themselves up after a super active round.

Big props to Wilder though. He is definitely the 2nd best big HW in the world. Unlike Joshua you have never seen any quit come out of him. Joshua has the muscle bound stamina issue and the mental weaknesses. Wilder even at the worst of times has never given up and been mentally broken. Too bad for him that Fury is in his era. Wilder likely would have ripped AJs head off and been the man of this era if not for the exceptional package of size, skill, endurance and mental strength that Fury brings. Fury is simply one of the very best HWs of all time. He has everything you want of a champ inside and outside of the ring. Huge entertainment value on top of the exceptional ring performances.

Great fight though. Will forget it.

peter barlow wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 13:38 Great fight to attract casuals into boxing

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 14:24

peter barlow wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 13:38 Great fight to attract casuals into boxing

100% agree there! People get mad when you crap on Rigondeaux, but he's a poison to this sport. No one outside of a tiny minority want to see a guy running all night.

These are the kinds of fights that grow the sport and have fans invested.

Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 15:24 Best shape wilder gasses after 5 rounds...

JoeCorrao wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 12:55 2 terrible heavyweights in one of the most awkward pushfests ever. Neither guy has any smooth boxing skills, knockdowns were just fatigue and shoves. Neither guy knows how to throw a serious punch.

JoeCorrao wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 12:55 2 terrible heavyweights in one of the most awkward pushfests ever. Neither guy has any smooth boxing skills, knockdowns were just fatigue and shoves. Neither guy knows how to throw a serious punch.

Bandog wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 16:43

JoeCorrao wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 12:55 2 terrible heavyweights in one of the most awkward pushfests ever. Neither guy has any smooth boxing skills, knockdowns were just fatigue and shoves. Neither guy knows how to throw a serious punch.

To be honest, you are right. Furys best asset is his size. Wilders best asset is a hard right. Fury boxes better than Wilder, but that isn't saying much. A slick well schooled boxer near their size would embarass either guy.

xeo7 wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 17:04

Bandog wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 16:43

JoeCorrao wrote: ↑10 Oct 2021, 12:55 2 terrible heavyweights in one of the most awkward pushfests ever. Neither guy has any smooth boxing skills, knockdowns were just fatigue and shoves. Neither guy knows how to throw a serious punch.

To be honest, you are right. Furys best asset is his size. Wilders best asset is a hard right. Fury boxes better than Wilder, but that isn't saying much. A slick well schooled boxer near their size would embarass either guy.

OMG