Why some of pro boxers have skinny legs? If Wilder had bigger muscular legs would've been a stronger fighter

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Re: Why some of pro boxers have skinny legs? If Wilder had bigger muscular legs would've been a stronger fighter

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Boxerbeetle wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 08:11
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 08:03
apollo creed wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 07:57

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:lol: well thats true.

Anyway, I don't get it why some pro boxer athletes doesn't hit their legs in the gym harder and at least 2 times/week?

They would help them even more.
People are built differently, the amount of muscle you will be able to build is dictated by the thigh bones, and how much room there is for attachment points on both the pelvis, and thigh bones, and the same for the bones of the fibia and tibia.

It doesn't matter how much you work out the legs, if you're built that way, they will never be massive.

I used to hit the gym a lot, and my arms and shoulders especially would build up really quickly, but despite doing lots of leg weights for my thighs, I never saw anything but a minimal change.

My calves by contrast are really chunky, and well defined even at 50, and with nothing more than a bit of walking and cycling.

I've got the calves of a demigod and the thighs of Sue Pollard is seems.
I’ve always had really muscular, well-defined legs, obtained with minimal effort. If only the rest of my muscles would follow suit so easily :lol:
you bastards, strutting around with your sexy legs
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Re: Why some of pro boxers have skinny legs? If Wilder had bigger muscular legs would've been a stronger fighter

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margaret thatcher wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 13:12
Boxerbeetle wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 08:11
jamesmcdonnell wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 08:03

People are built differently, the amount of muscle you will be able to build is dictated by the thigh bones, and how much room there is for attachment points on both the pelvis, and thigh bones, and the same for the bones of the fibia and tibia.

It doesn't matter how much you work out the legs, if you're built that way, they will never be massive.

I used to hit the gym a lot, and my arms and shoulders especially would build up really quickly, but despite doing lots of leg weights for my thighs, I never saw anything but a minimal change.

My calves by contrast are really chunky, and well defined even at 50, and with nothing more than a bit of walking and cycling.

I've got the calves of a demigod and the thighs of Sue Pollard is seems.
I’ve always had really muscular, well-defined legs, obtained with minimal effort. If only the rest of my muscles would follow suit so easily :lol:
you bastards, strutting around with your sexy legs
I do actually wear shorts at every available opportunity for that reason :yay:
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Re: Why some of pro boxers have skinny legs? If Wilder had bigger muscular legs would've been a stronger fighter

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apollo creed wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 07:19 Image

Tua has strong big legs.
Tua looks in shape. Was it around the Bryd fight after he blew up to 17 stone v Lewis? He was 5 foot 10 I think.
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Re: Why some of pro boxers have skinny legs? If Wilder had bigger muscular legs would've been a stronger fighter

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Boxerbeetle wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 13:19
margaret thatcher wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 13:12
Boxerbeetle wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 08:11

I’ve always had really muscular, well-defined legs, obtained with minimal effort. If only the rest of my muscles would follow suit so easily :lol:
you bastards, strutting around with your sexy legs
I do actually wear shorts at every available opportunity for that reason :yay:
:TU:

Not many people can show off their calves. Calves are tough, tough muscles to develop.
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Re: Why some of pro boxers have skinny legs? If Wilder had bigger muscular legs would've been a stronger fighter

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Kronkpride wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 12:16 Skinny legs are a way bigger issue at HW when facing other monster sized men with even more size and weight.

Tommy Hearns legs were an asset at the lower weights. He was a monster sized guy with lots of length advantages with those legs. They are also not close to Wilder in terms of proportions. Hearns IMO had one of the very best body types of all time for the WW division. Any dudes at WW with significant leg advantages on him are giving back way more advantages to Tommy in length.

Wilder's legs are very skinny for his size profile and they are so far from proportional when he got bulked up on the top side. He had to carry the extra pounds which did not help but that is not why his legs went so fast in fight 2 and 3 vs Fury. It was that extra muscle eating up the oxygen in his body so much faster that deprived the legs of the oxygen they need to stay strong.

He carried more weight in fight 3 better than he carried the extra weight in fight 2. I could tell Scott got him into better shape for the trilogy but they still F'd up so bad increasing his upper body weight and killed his later chances in the fight. His lungs have a max capacity. Every extra pound over 210 or so on Wilder is going to weaken those tiny legs. But if he was training like he did with Scott for fight 3 at 210 pounds his legs would be way stronger and would stay stronger for a lot longer.

I've been talking about training Wilder and taking him down to CW to grab a belt before going back after a HW strap. Wilder could easily be the fiercest monster in history at CW. And the skinny legs would be no real issue there just like they were not an issue for Hearns at lower weights. Everybody at CW with bigger legs would give massive advantages back to Wilder.

Wilder could really do that too. As soon as the weight cap comes into play nobody can match his body style. But it is ultra important for him at HW too not to defeat himself by bad body design. But you need heavy duty brain power behind him to manage it. The mistake made gaining the extra weight was not corrected after the 2nd fight. They doubled down and went even bigger and tried to compensate for the issues it causes by putting him through a much more grueling camp preparation.

He wouldn't have even had to train as much and would have had stronger legs and much better recovery in between rounds if they just shaved off the weight. The size of the legs is not what produces the weakness. It is oxygen starvation that does it. Nowhere on Earth do smart people build anything intentionally to be long lasting as top heavy. You do not build past the capability of your foundation but that is exactly what happened to Wilder.

Wilder has his own massive strengths. You only build to what you do best. They built him trying to reduce Tyson Fury's strengths instead....and cut Wilder off at the knees doing it. The trilogy would have been a much different story with Wilder not being sabotaged by his team and trainers 2 fights in a row.

Those f;n masks too. I toss that shit all in the garbage when I train Wilder. If I do let him wear anything like that we fully test it all with science before fight night. If that mask shows any reduction in blood oxygen content from wearing it I blow it up out behind the gym. You do 5 minutes on the tread mill for me without a mask with measurements and then you do 5 minutes on the tread mill with it with measurements. If you are not breathing and replenishing yourself exactly the same with it on that shit is getting destroyed. With legs like his you gotta stop every possible oxygen reducer at the pass before it happens. You cannot knife yourself in the back and start depleting your body of oxygen coming to the ring. The mask has to be perfectly breathable and not have any weight to it to even think about trying to wear one to the ring.

Wilder should not give up right now. Even with all the mistakes they made he was very close to stopping Fury. The way they built him that was their only chance. If Fury was not out of there in 5 or 6 rounds Wilder's body was always going to be gone for the rest of the fight. You cannot train him to carry that kind of weight and keep him strong. He has got to go back under 215 pounds and stay there. He should go lower though and pick up a CW title while the Joshua/Usyk and Fury deal plays itself out. He can easily make 200 pounds when he is built right and not even have to dehydrate much to get to it. Going out like this with bad team and training strategy is an injustice to him.



It was a pleasure to read such a well thought out post.

Let's hope someone brings it to Deontay Wilder's attention.

He must still have some true friends left.
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Re: Why some of pro boxers have skinny legs? If Wilder had bigger muscular legs would've been a stronger fighter

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Kronkpride wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 12:16 Skinny legs are a way bigger issue at HW when facing other monster sized men with even more size and weight.

Tommy Hearns legs were an asset at the lower weights. He was a monster sized guy with lots of length advantages with those legs. They are also not close to Wilder in terms of proportions. Hearns IMO had one of the very best body types of all time for the WW division. Any dudes at WW with significant leg advantages on him are giving back way more advantages to Tommy in length.

Wilder's legs are very skinny for his size profile and they are so far from proportional when he got bulked up on the top side. He had to carry the extra pounds which did not help but that is not why his legs went so fast in fight 2 and 3 vs Fury. It was that extra muscle eating up the oxygen in his body so much faster that deprived the legs of the oxygen they need to stay strong.

He carried more weight in fight 3 better than he carried the extra weight in fight 2. I could tell Scott got him into better shape for the trilogy but they still F'd up so bad increasing his upper body weight and killed his later chances in the fight. His lungs have a max capacity. Every extra pound over 210 or so on Wilder is going to weaken those tiny legs. But if he was training like he did with Scott for fight 3 at 210 pounds his legs would be way stronger and would stay stronger for a lot longer.

Yup. He'd need to hit hard those legs in the gym.
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Re: Why some of pro boxers have skinny legs? If Wilder had bigger muscular legs would've been a stronger fighter

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Naseem Hamed had big legs and tremendous power. Tommy Hearns had skinny legs and tremendous power. I've no idea how much difference they make, but yeah... Wilder's skinny legs were the first thing my brother and my mate, who I watched the fight with, noticed.
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Re: Why some of pro boxers have skinny legs? If Wilder had bigger muscular legs would've been a stronger fighter

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IRONFIST wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 07:57 There was a poster called Hearns Spaghetti Legs. Wonder whatever became of the blighter, his spaghetti legs probably gave out on him. Boom! Boom! ;-)

Wilder had extra long shorts to hide his chicken legs.
Ask Roberto duran about hearns skinny legs,he felt his punch not his legs....KABOOM!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Why some of pro boxers have skinny legs? If Wilder had bigger muscular legs would've been a stronger fighter

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i dont think it means any thing really fury aint got big legs for his trunk,, i weight lift i also box just training nothing more i dont get power out of my quads , i find glutes hamstring calfs are far more activated when boxing
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Re: Why some of pro boxers have skinny legs? If Wilder had bigger muscular legs would've been a stronger fighter

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Legs helps you a lot in the late rounds and when you're hurt or kd.
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Re: Why some of pro boxers have skinny legs? If Wilder had bigger muscular legs would've been a stronger fighter

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apollo creed wrote: 12 Oct 2021, 07:16 Why some of pro boxers have skinny legs? If Wilder had bigger muscular legs would've been a stronger fighter
Depends on diet, training regimen and genetics.

All world-rated fighters never skip leg day! It’s an incredibly significant part of their training. Boxers always train their legs - they have to do it!

Anyway, muscle size isn’t a good barometer to determine muscle strength.

Boxers focus on compound lifts to improve general strength and speed. They’re purely functional in nature.

These exercises generally don’t increase muscle size, unless the person is genetically inclined to grow muscle in the body parts being trained (i.e. powerlifters).

Boxers don’t perform isolated movements specifically aimed at causing muscle atrophy, which is only good for growing artificial bodybuilder type aesthetic muscles that aren’t functional.

But I’ve seen Deontay Wilder training his legs and he’s weak! He appears to be killing himself lifting the sort of weight I use for my warm-ups.

That said, everyone has physical limitations, as well as different strengths and weaknesses.

So perhaps Wilder is just a hardgainer when it comes to legs. It’s a physical genetic flaw he’ll never be able to truly overcome, regardless to how much he trains that body part.
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