tyson-lewis revisted

[GreenLightning]

Mind you... I agree with you that Wilder's title
At least the men Wilder defended against were ranked by the WBC at the time. That being said, I do think 2001 Mike Tyson struggles to put away Johan Duhapas and wouldn't have been able to do a thing with Spilka (or however it's spelled), and probably would have struggled with Eric Molina too. Why? Because they weren't old or too limited. They had something to them, even if they weren't all that great.

You're having a laugh with this mate, Szpilka has the worst chin in the last 20 years (think he got chinned in the first round again just a few months ago), and Molina got decked in his debut and then quit against Arreola in the first round after the first decent shot landed, and was being laughed at for turning his back and cringing every time Joshua threw a punch at him

What did Eric Molina have about him?? I think Eric Molina would be afraid of Tyson's corpse

I don't think we should do this 'deep dive' as Wilders opponents are fornicating horrendous when you look beyond surface level

Clifford Ettiene taking out his gumshield looked a bit suss but at least he actually got hit by a flush shot, unlike the terminally embarrassing Malik Scott, who went on to be his bloody trainer after taking a blatant dive from a slap.

[GreenLightning]

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[HomicideHenry]

Tyson would have to catch Szpilka first. I don't think he would be able to. As for Molina, all I can say is if Danny Williams and Kevin McBride could beat the 2000s version of Mike Tyson you can't rule out pretty much the bulk of the heavyweight division doing the same thing.

Tyson was literally only good for four rounds tops at that point, struggling with fringe contenders at best. We can agree to disagree on whether Wilder's title defenses are comparable to the subpar wins Tyson had in the 2000s, but this revisionist history nonsense has got to stop.

That version of Mike Tyson would not have beaten Deontay Wilder or anyone else willing to fight back. I know people like to get nostalgic but if you're going to hypothetically match up Mike Tyson to the current crop of heavy weights then it needs to be the Mike Tyson of the 1980s and 1990s.

[stujones]

Tyson would have to catch Szpilka first. I don't think he would be able to. As for Molina, all I can say is if Danny Williams and Kevin McBride could beat the 2000s version of Mike Tyson you can't rule out pretty much the bulk of the heavyweight division doing the same thing.

Tyson was literally only good for four rounds tops at that point, struggling with fringe contenders at best. We can agree to disagree on whether Wilder's title defenses are comparable to the subpar wins Tyson had in the 2000s, but this revisionist history nonsense has got to stop.

That version of Mike Tyson would not have beaten Deontay Wilder or anyone else willing to fight back. I know people like to get nostalgic but if you're going to hypothetically match up Mike Tyson to the current crop of heavy weights then it needs to be the Mike Tyson of the 1980s and 1990s.

I can actually see what you are saying - but I will only say "its Szpika and Molina" we are talking about. Danny Williams would have beaten both of those for 1 and while McBride wouldn't have - that wasn't the Tyson who fought Lewis and CERTAINLY wasn't the Tyson that beat the likes of Savarese, Golota (yes I know it was a NC) and the like.

Tyson's worse displays - from October 1999 onwords - Nielsen, Lewis, Williams, McBride. (1-3).
Tyson's best displays from October 1999 onwards - Norris, Francis, Saverese, Golota, Etteine.

Biggest common factor -no its not the level of opponent as I think Norris, Saverese and Golota would have beaten Neilsen - and I think all of Norris, Francis, Saverese, Golota and Etteine would have beaten McBride - its the weight - for the crap displays he was over 230 lbs, for the better displays he was low 220 lbs. Yet he "looked" like he had the same body fat level - so he trained all wrong for this..... but on the build up to Lewis he looked sharp, Nielsen aside and Sky mentioned the weight being an issue - when I saw the weigh in for the Lewis fight - I put 50 quid on Lennox - despite originally tipping Tyson. Tyson in the shape he was for Norris, Francis and Saverese vs Lewis might have been interesting.

[TheGman]

I used to think Tyson was a shell of what he was back when he fought Lewis but when I think about it,he was at his best at 21+ till he got sent down for rape after that he never really found the form of his prime days.

Lewis matured as fighter after the McCall fight and imo tyson would of beaten Lewis pre McCall 1 but after that I can't find a way Tyson beats Lewis.

How do you think Tyson would of fared against Wilder? I know we all think Tyson would of bashed him up but what if Wilder just went for it like he has done in the last and one of them rights hit Tyson on the button?

[margaret thatcher]

tyson not able to do a thing with artur szpilka, the same guy who had total hell with mike mollo

[stujones]

I used to think Tyson was a shell of what he was back when he fought Lewis but when I think about it,he was at his best at 21+ till he got sent down for rape after that he never really found the form of his prime days.

Lewis matured as fighter after the McCall fight and imo tyson would of beaten Lewis pre McCall 1 but after that I can't find a way Tyson beats Lewis.

How do you think Tyson would of fared against Wilder? I know we all think Tyson would of bashed him up but what if Wilder just went for it like he has done in the last and one of them rights hit Tyson on the button?

Same could apply for Tyson though....better ko record or not imo Tyson was by far the bigger puncher.

Wilder did go rounds in several of his world title fights despite clipping his opponent on several occassion....not disputing his power....but I think Furys chants of "greatest puncher of all time " has sunk in with a few....For me Tyson holds that honour and Lennox is also ahead of Wilder....and Big George off course.

It seems to be the Fury affect....Fury eeks out a razor tight decision against Wlad and it's now a master class of a schooling....Fury gets floored 4 times vs Wilder its not a "hang on is Fury as durable as we thought " it's all about Wilders power. ...What a chin Stirvene must have then?

Based on Tysons chin in sustained beatings vs Lewis, Holyfield and Douglas....I reckon if Wilder catches Tyson early....it bounces off Tyson and Wilder wont have the stamina to catch him late

[GreenLightning]

I used to think Tyson was a shell of what he was back when he fought Lewis but when I think about it,he was at his best at 21+ till he got sent down for rape after that he never really found the form of his prime days.

Lewis matured as fighter after the McCall fight and imo tyson would of beaten Lewis pre McCall 1 but after that I can't find a way Tyson beats Lewis.

How do you think Tyson would of fared against Wilder? I know we all think Tyson would of bashed him up but what if Wilder just went for it like he has done in the last and one of them rights hit Tyson on the button?

You mean prime Tyson?? Have we ever seen Deontay Wilder fight a guy who comes over the top from underneath?? Wilder doesn't have great punch resistance (Fury has wobbled him with a jab at least 10 times, badly stopped him twice in a row, Fury is not a KO artist) and his defence when under attack is dreadful, he is a panicker, he sticks his chin out and pulls back off balance, I think he gets put in deep trouble from Tyson's first attack, and Im not one of those people who think Tyson is the greatest ever with no weaknesses, but just watch Wilder any time someone actually presses him, it's awful to see, and I would fear for his health against Tyson

[GreenLightning]

Tyson would have to catch Szpilka first. I don't think he would be able to. As for Molina, all I can say is if Danny Williams and Kevin McBride could beat the 2000s version of Mike Tyson you can't rule out pretty much the bulk of the heavyweight division doing the same thing.

Tyson was literally only good for four rounds tops at that point, struggling with fringe contenders at best.

Even if that's true, Splika could barely even qualify as a fringe contender himself!! his best performance at any high level is against Wilder, Molina's best performance at high level was against Wilder, Duhaupas best performance at high level was against Wilder, noticing a pattern here??These guys would go down as nondescript easy victories against prime Wlad, but Wilder making hard work out of them makes them good wins.

Szplika is hardly some master slickster, he's slightly awkward at times at best, why exactly would the Tyson who fought Lewis have trouble catching him?? Like Thatcher said, this guy went absolutely life and death with Mike Mollo ffs, and he'd been down several times against journeymen before that. It's not overrating 2000s Tyson, it's overrating Artur Szpilka!!

Tyson being good for 4 rounds isn't a negative when it doesn't take that long to find Spilka, if you go back to the Szpilka Chisora thread you'll see me saying that the second Chisora catches him it'll be over, and Chisora caught him in the second round and laid him out cold

[HomicideHenry]

tyson not able to do a thing with artur szpilka, the same guy who had total hell with mike mollo

The Mollo fights happened three years prior to the Wilder fight. Wilder had one helluva time catching him. As fast as Szpilka could be, I don't think shot (2000-2005) Mike Tyson is catching him. Not when it took Tyson six rounds to stop Brian Nielsen. Not when Danny Williams was beating him to the punch. Not when Kevin McBride, who had the mobility of a skyscraper, made him quit.

Mike Tyson was all about the money and nothing else when he fought Lennox Lewis. Period. Coming in 234 pounds, when in his prime he was fighting as low as 213 pounds, he had no desire to really be in the boxing business. After losing to Lewis, his exact words were, "Thanks for the payday. It really means a lot. I would love to do it again," but quickly added, "I think I can beat you," though nobody really believed that.

The funny thing is that boxing was in such poor shape at the heavyweight division that Tyson would've gotten the shot at Vitali Klitschko, the new heavyweight champion, had he beaten Williams--- but of course that never happened, and Williams would fight Klitschko instead.

It really cannot be understated just how poor the post-Lewis and late-Lewis era was, where a faded and defeated Tyson was still the biggest name in the business when everybody knew he couldn't really fight anymore.

[margaret thatcher]

the same artur szpilka couldnt win a round against bryant jennings and got stopped. got bounced off the canvas like nothing by kownacki. gets ko'd in 1 by tough men pub brawlers, absolutely nuked in 2 by delboy, and goes to hell with mike mollo, who defo was never as good as tyson!

the danny williams fight happened 2 years after tyson-lewis btw, a long time for a fighter at that age

[HomicideHenry]

Mike Tyson in 2001... Isn't going to catch anyone who moves around even remotely good. The only people he was going to beat were those who came right at him or were slower than molasses.

The word was out on Tyson after the Lewis match. Like Danny Williams said after beating him: "This isn't a peak Mike Tyson. I thought I had a chance of beating him." At that point, all Tyson was good for was one round.

We agree to disagree. All these people wanting to revise history will never make people change their minds who actually know what they're talking about. Mike Tyson in 2001 wouldn't beat Anthony Joshua, Andy Ruiz, Deontay Wilder, Oleksandr Usyk, or Tyson Fury.

This is why there is a thread going on in the everything else forum about whether you are a troll or not. You make these kind of threads because you find them humorous for yourself, trying to wind people up. All you are doing is taking a reputable boxing website and turning it into a joke with threads like this.

What next?

"Larry Holmes (2005) vs Anthony Joshua"

"Evander Holyfield (2008) vs Tyson Fury"

"Can Vitali Klitschko Beat Wilder Right Now?"

Give it a rest. Or talk some sense. 2001 Mike Tyson was Lennox Lewis's personal punching bag landing bombs at will, landing four times as many punches as Tyson.

The man was only 5 lb lighter than he was when he fought Brian Nielsen, and it took him six rounds to put away that dude. A man whose career was literally built on fixed fights.

[margaret thatcher]

mike tyson ko'd andrew golota in 2 not long before, the idea that he somehow could do nothing to artur szpilka, a total glass chin bounced off the canvas by all sorts of mediocre fighters, is laughable. the power would be enough for that chinny, open pole

even cliff ettienne would've had a good chance of dropping artur's fragile butt

[HomicideHenry]

As I already said, the men Wilder defended against were pretty laughable. But if Szpilka moved around like he did against Wilder and a hypothetical fight against Mike Tyson, you can bet that the 2001 version is going to tire out and get picked off after 4 or 5 rounds.

It took nine rounds for Wilder to catch him, and he was throwing reckless right and left hands from start to finish. I can't imagine the 2001 Mike Tyson throwing punches non-stop for longer than a round.

As for Clifford Ettiene, I still maintain after all these years he took a dive to Mike Tyson. He got knocked out in three rounds by Nicolai Valuev who's punches couldn't break an egg, and also got knocked out in three rounds by Calvin Brock.

To put it really into perspective Ettiene was only good enough to beat Tyson's brother Cliff Couser. He was kayoed by Fres Oquendo, who never had the reputation of being a puncher.

The best win of his career was against Lamon Brewster, but this was the same Brewster who was knocking out guys like Marcus Rhodes, and not the Brewster who would later become WBO heavyweight champion.

Szpilka, despite his flaws, always seemed to me to be a man who always came to win even if he lost. The fact that Wilder couldn't really hit him until the 9th, gave me every confidence in the world that Fury would win despite the long layoff and weight loss.



^^^ This man you're sure beats Szpilka? Looking back on it again after all this time it looks like the black rhino took another dive. Like I said the Russian giant couldn't break an egg.

[Boxerbeetle]

Wilder is shit, face it.

[margaret thatcher]

probably the most ive ever seen anyone bother to try and hype up artur szpilka

[Counter-puncher]

lol. classic henry. say something stupid. get pulled up. defend stupid statement at length. get pulled up more. defend at greater length and with ever-less common sense. rinse, repeat. this is like groundhog day on O/T topics.

[polecateddy]

Mike Tyson in 2001... Isn't going to catch anyone who moves around even remotely good. The only people he was going to beat were those who came right at him or were slower than molasses.

The word was out on Tyson after the Lewis match. Like Danny Williams said after beating him: "This isn't a peak Mike Tyson. I thought I had a chance of beating him." At that point, all Tyson was good for was one round.

We agree to disagree. All these people wanting to revise history will never make people change their minds who actually know what they're talking about. Mike Tyson in 2001 wouldn't beat Anthony Joshua, Andy Ruiz, Deontay Wilder, Oleksandr Usyk, or Tyson Fury.

This is why there is a thread going on in the everything else forum about whether you are a troll or not. You make these kind of threads because you find them humorous for yourself, trying to wind people up. All you are doing is taking a reputable boxing website and turning it into a joke with threads like this.

What next?

"Larry Holmes (2005) vs Anthony Joshua"

"Evander Holyfield (2008) vs Tyson Fury"

"Can Vitali Klitschko Beat Wilder Right Now?"

Give it a rest. Or talk some sense. 2001 Mike Tyson was Lennox Lewis's personal punching bag landing bombs at will, landing four times as many punches as Tyson.

The man was only 5 lb lighter than he was when he fought Brian Nielsen, and it took him six rounds to put away that dude. A man whose career was literally built on fixed fights.

Nielsen quit after 6 didn’t he. I think if he’d just gutted it out maybe 2 more rounds Tyson probably would have quit. I think that fight was really the line in the sand for Tyson. He was done as a fighter from that point.

[Counter-puncher]

All you are doing is taking a reputable boxing website and turning it into a joke with threads like this.

What next?

for an encore it would be hilarious if he really heavily promoted the virtues of Artur Szpilka as a fighter and competitive top level heavyweight and worthy win.

that would get the assembled masses chuckling, I'm sure.

[polecateddy]

All you are doing is taking a reputable boxing website and turning it into a joke with threads like this.

What next?

for an encore it would be hilarious if he really heavily promoted the virtues of Artur Szpilka as a fighter and competitive top level heavyweight and worthy win.

that would get the assembled masses chuckling, I'm sure.

Would Szpilka have beaten a peak Butterbean I ask myself?!

[jamesmcdonnell]

I used to think Tyson was a shell of what he was back when he fought Lewis but when I think about it,he was at his best at 21+ till he got sent down for rape after that he never really found the form of his prime days.

Lewis matured as fighter after the McCall fight and imo tyson would of beaten Lewis pre McCall 1 but after that I can't find a way Tyson beats Lewis.

How do you think Tyson would of fared against Wilder? I know we all think Tyson would of bashed him up but what if Wilder just went for it like he has done in the last and one of them rights hit Tyson on the button?

Same could apply for Tyson though....better ko record or not imo Tyson was by far the bigger puncher.

Wilder did go rounds in several of his world title fights despite clipping his opponent on several occassion....not disputing his power....but I think Furys chants of "greatest puncher of all time " has sunk in with a few....For me Tyson holds that honour and Lennox is also ahead of Wilder....and Big George off course.

It seems to be the Fury affect....Fury eeks out a razor tight decision against Wlad and it's now a master class of a schooling....Fury gets floored 4 times vs Wilder its not a "hang on is Fury as durable as we thought " it's all about Wilders power. ...What a chin Stirvene must have then?

Based on Tysons chin in sustained beatings vs Lewis, Holyfield and Douglas....I reckon if Wilder catches Tyson early....it bounces off Tyson and Wilder wont have the stamina to catch him late

Yeah, Wilder's power is so overrated it's laughable.

Nigel Benn also looked like the hardest MW puncher of all time when he was fighting bums, but when he stepped up to the top table, he wasn't able to flatten people.

I'd say Lewis' right hand was the single biggest weapon I ever saw, Tyson had incredible combination punching, which was what made him so devastating, but Lewis had bigger single punch power, as did George, who punched like a wrecking ball.

[TheGman]

tyson not able to do a thing with artur szpilka, the same guy who had total hell with mike mollo

The Mollo fights happened three years prior to the Wilder fight. Wilder had one helluva time catching him. As fast as Szpilka could be, I don't think shot (2000-2005) Mike Tyson is catching him. Not when it took Tyson six rounds to stop Brian Nielsen. Not when Danny Williams was beating him to the punch. Not when Kevin McBride, who had the mobility of a skyscraper, made him quit.

Mike Tyson was all about the money and nothing else when he fought Lennox Lewis. Period. Coming in 234 pounds, when in his prime he was fighting as low as 213 pounds, he had no desire to really be in the boxing business. After losing to Lewis, his exact words were, "Thanks for the payday. It really means a lot. I would love to do it again," but quickly added, "I think I can beat you," though nobody really believed that.

The funny thing is that boxing was in such poor shape at the heavyweight division that Tyson would've gotten the shot at Vitali Klitschko, the new heavyweight champion, had he beaten Williams--- but of course that never happened, and Williams would fight Klitschko instead.

It really cannot be understated just how poor the post-Lewis and late-Lewis era was, where a faded and defeated Tyson was still the biggest name in the business when everybody knew he couldn't really fight anymore.

Did you notice that shyte was on sky box office? Sold shyte for years from sky.

[polecateddy]

I used to think Tyson was a shell of what he was back when he fought Lewis but when I think about it,he was at his best at 21+ till he got sent down for rape after that he never really found the form of his prime days.

Lewis matured as fighter after the McCall fight and imo tyson would of beaten Lewis pre McCall 1 but after that I can't find a way Tyson beats Lewis.

How do you think Tyson would of fared against Wilder? I know we all think Tyson would of bashed him up but what if Wilder just went for it like he has done in the last and one of them rights hit Tyson on the button?

Same could apply for Tyson though....better ko record or not imo Tyson was by far the bigger puncher.

Wilder did go rounds in several of his world title fights despite clipping his opponent on several occassion....not disputing his power....but I think Furys chants of "greatest puncher of all time " has sunk in with a few....For me Tyson holds that honour and Lennox is also ahead of Wilder....and Big George off course.

It seems to be the Fury affect....Fury eeks out a razor tight decision against Wlad and it's now a master class of a schooling....Fury gets floored 4 times vs Wilder its not a "hang on is Fury as durable as we thought " it's all about Wilders power. ...What a chin Stirvene must have then?

Based on Tysons chin in sustained beatings vs Lewis, Holyfield and Douglas....I reckon if Wilder catches Tyson early....it bounces off Tyson and Wilder wont have the stamina to catch him late

Yeah, Wilder's power is so overrated it's laughable.

Nigel Benn also looked like the hardest MW puncher of all time when he was fighting bums, but when he stepped up to the top table, he wasn't able to flatten people.

I'd say Lewis' right hand was the single biggest weapon I ever saw, Tyson had incredible combination punching, which was what made him so devastating, but Lewis had bigger single punch power, as did George, who punched like a wrecking ball.

Like when Joseph Parker looked like the second coming of David Tua when he was feasting on Oceania heavyweight relics. I'd seriously think the Tyson who was beating up the likes of say Julius Francis would have clipped Wilder while he was winding up those wild telegraphed punches. Style-wise it probably would have been Wilder's worst nightmare.

[HomicideHenry]

Mike Tyson in 2001... Isn't going to catch anyone who moves around even remotely good. The only people he was going to beat were those who came right at him or were slower than molasses.

The word was out on Tyson after the Lewis match. Like Danny Williams said after beating him: "This isn't a peak Mike Tyson. I thought I had a chance of beating him." At that point, all Tyson was good for was one round.

We agree to disagree. All these people wanting to revise history will never make people change their minds who actually know what they're talking about. Mike Tyson in 2001 wouldn't beat Anthony Joshua, Andy Ruiz, Deontay Wilder, Oleksandr Usyk, or Tyson Fury.

This is why there is a thread going on in the everything else forum about whether you are a troll or not. You make these kind of threads because you find them humorous for yourself, trying to wind people up. All you are doing is taking a reputable boxing website and turning it into a joke with threads like this.

What next?

"Larry Holmes (2005) vs Anthony Joshua"

"Evander Holyfield (2008) vs Tyson Fury"

"Can Vitali Klitschko Beat Wilder Right Now?"

Give it a rest. Or talk some sense. 2001 Mike Tyson was Lennox Lewis's personal punching bag landing bombs at will, landing four times as many punches as Tyson.

The man was only 5 lb lighter than he was when he fought Brian Nielsen, and it took him six rounds to put away that dude. A man whose career was literally built on fixed fights.

Nielsen quit after 6 didn’t he. I think if he’d just gutted it out maybe 2 more rounds Tyson probably would have quit. I think that fight was really the line in the sand for Tyson. He was done as a fighter from that point.

That's what I'm saying.

People want to act like Mike Tyson still had something at that point and it's not true. All he had was the name. Anyone in the top 50 at that time had one hell of a shot of beating him.

[HomicideHenry]

As for Szpilka... I am in agreement that the man was nothing to scream over. That is the entire point of my argument. Mike Tyson was that far gone in 2001 that he wasn't beating anybody who moved around a little bit or dared throw punches back at him.

I'm not making the Polish heavyweight more than what he is I'm clearly pointing out just how far gone Mike Tyson was. My point is if a prime Deontay Wilder took nine rounds to catch him, I don't see Mike Tyson who was only good for one round doing the job.