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Cent0089 wrote: ↑28 Oct 2021, 13:19 Lol, Canelo hate is real on boxrec

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Oct 2021, 12:24

apollo creed wrote: ↑28 Oct 2021, 12:06EO can't understand that as a boxing fan I was trying to hype these fights. Smith & Plant are decent fights for Canelo but they are weak champions compared with S6 guys, RJJ, Calzaghe, even Badou Jack.

I think the problem I have with some of your comments is that you often accuse fighters (like Canelo) of avoiding certain names, because “they’re too risky” or “they’re too scared”.

But whenever these “risky” names subsequently lose to the aforementioned fighter(s) you accused of being cowardly, you undermine those victories, by accusing the victor of cherry-picking an opponent that was never that good in the first place.

I’m not sure how else to describe your antics other than being a revisionist historian. This isn't an opinion, since you're responding to a post that almost exclusively contains quotes of your very own words!

For sure, the Ward, Froch & Kessler era was probably the greatest in the sports 168lbs history.

But I fear that even if Canelo defeated those guys at their respective primes, you’d still accuse him of cherry-picking hype jobs.

It’s just one of those things, because you just don’t like the guy, which undermines your credibility and objectivity.

You’re basically admitting to the world you’ll never praise certain fighters regardless their achievements in the sport of boxing… and that it’s your sole cause in life to always do your upmost to undermine their feats, regardless as to whether it results in you being hypocritical.

Look, you’re entitled to “like” or “dislike” whomever you damn well want, but if a fighter you previously praised and hyped-up loses, then you should really try to award kudos to the opponent that defeated them!

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑28 Oct 2021, 12:24
It’s just one of those things, because you just don’t like the guy, which undermines your credibility and objectivity.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑28 Oct 2021, 21:10 Kessler and Froch hype jobs?

Are you kidding me?

Biggest stinking hype jobs ever really. Kessler was shit and so was Froch. Anyone that ever fought those girls was cherrypicking.

apollo creed wrote: ↑28 Oct 2021, 07:32 Definitely this is a weak smw era and also a great opportunity for Canelo to be the first smw mexican undisputed champion.

Even the Groves, DeGale and Badou Jack era was better than this.

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Oct 2021, 14:55 Canelo long ago proved he'll fight anyone

Cyclops wrote: ↑29 Oct 2021, 05:39

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Oct 2021, 14:55 Canelo long ago proved he'll fight anyone

People's memories are so short. He wouldn't fight a prime Golovkin.

He hid out in a weight class of his own just below middleweight saying he was too small to fight Golovkin, who was his mandatory after beating the tiny ex- super lightweight Cotto, for ages, even dropping back down to get a title a super welterweight against a Smith...

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑29 Oct 2021, 10:53 I think the Ward/Kessler/Froch era was kind of overrated as is. I don't think 168 was ever a heated division. It feels like when you have a lot of Britain-Euro-dudes as top guys, the division is always a weak one (not counting HW). Of course, 168 has never been a tough division, but it's definitely at low point as is. I'd still give Canelo a solid chance, but of course, his chance in this era is almost 100% compared to maybe 70% in the Ward/Froch/Kessler one.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Oct 2021, 07:40

Cyclops wrote: ↑29 Oct 2021, 05:39

Onetimeonly wrote: ↑28 Oct 2021, 14:55 Canelo long ago proved he'll fight anyone

People's memories are so short. He wouldn't fight a prime Golovkin.

He hid out in a weight class of his own just below middleweight saying he was too small to fight Golovkin, who was his mandatory after beating the tiny ex- super lightweight Cotto, for ages, even dropping back down to get a title a super welterweight against a Smith...

You've either forgotten real-world historical events or you are being intentionally untruthful.

Canelo vacated his WBC title after Mauricio Sulaimán's governing body moved the goalposts by suddenly imposing an impossible 15-day deadline for GBP & K2 to come to an agreement for the Alvarez-GGG bout, despite the fact that both Canelo and Golden Boy were physically in Florida attending court addressing the $27m All Star Boxing lawsuit.

Mauricio Sulaimán's unreasonable actions soured the WBC’s relationship with Canelo, to the point that the Mexican refused to even pay sanctioning fees to the WBC, refusing to consider claiming ownership of that title had he defeated GGG in their first bout.

This is heavily-publicised stuff!

When Canelo fought Liam Smith at 154lbs, he'd never officially weighed more than 155lbs for any contest during the course of fifty bouts!

This is basic "inhale, exhale, blink" type information!

Cyclops wrote: ↑29 Oct 2021, 05:20

apollo creed wrote: ↑28 Oct 2021, 07:32 Definitely this is a weak smw era and also a great opportunity for Canelo to be the first smw mexican undisputed champion.

Even the Groves, DeGale and Badou Jack era was better than this.

Ignoring the entire rest of the thread, it's mad now that way back in the post Calzaghe era there existed
a super middleweight division that, (with the help of the super six format) appeared to be so exciting and deep in talent, that, alongside the jewel in the boxing crown at that time- welterweight- it eclipsed heavyweight and all other weight classes. As somebody in another thread pointed out, the massive boom in British boxing, the stadium fights, Wembley etc, did not start with Anthony Joshua: it started with Carl Froch and George Groves.

Froch briefly entertained the idea of fighting a prime GGG as his farewell fight, but decided (probably wisely, although I think it would have been one of the best fights ever) against it in the end. It was a rich, talented division full of names: Andre Ward, Carl Froch, Mikkel Kessler, Andre Dirrell, Jermain Taylor, Arthur Abraham, George Groves, Lucien Bute, Jean Pascal, James DeGale, Badou Jack, the Dirrell brothers, Adonis Stevenson... I mean even Sakio Bika was a tough night for anyone. I always looked at it more as a light-light heavyweight division as opposed to anything close to middleweight. The middleweight names mentioned in the list above that moved up didn't fare well there, while most of the names mentioned above that moved up in weight class to light heavyweight were successful there also: elite fighters.

I don't know how well Canelo would have fared against the above, but it was a markedly different landscape in terms of talent and toughness to what it is now. SMW feels like one of the weakest divisions in the whole sport: all European level guys, nowhere near as tough or talented as their predecessors. Apart from Canelo, there's no hall of famers or must watch fighters in that division now is there?

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑29 Oct 2021, 10:53 I think the Ward/Kessler/Froch era was kind of overrated as is. I don't think 168 was ever a heated division. It feels like when you have a lot of Britain-Euro-dudes as top guys, the division is always a weak one (not counting HW). Of course, 168 has never been a tough division, but it's definitely at low point as is. I'd still give Canelo a solid chance, but of course, his chance in this era is almost 100% compared to maybe 70% in the Ward/Froch/Kessler one.

Cyclops wrote: ↑29 Oct 2021, 12:16

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Oct 2021, 07:40

Cyclops wrote: ↑29 Oct 2021, 05:39
People's memories are so short. He wouldn't fight a prime Golovkin.

He hid out in a weight class of his own just below middleweight saying he was too small to fight Golovkin, who was his mandatory after beating the tiny ex- super lightweight Cotto, for ages, even dropping back down to get a title a super welterweight against a Smith...

You've either forgotten real-world historical events or you are being intentionally untruthful.

Canelo vacated his WBC title after Mauricio Sulaimán's governing body moved the goalposts by suddenly imposing an impossible 15-day deadline for GBP & K2 to come to an agreement for the Alvarez-GGG bout, despite the fact that both Canelo and Golden Boy were physically in Florida attending court addressing the $27m All Star Boxing lawsuit.

Mauricio Sulaimán's unreasonable actions soured the WBC’s relationship with Canelo, to the point that the Mexican refused to even pay sanctioning fees to the WBC, refusing to consider claiming ownership of that title had he defeated GGG in their first bout.

This is heavily-publicised stuff!

When Canelo fought Liam Smith at 154lbs, he'd never officially weighed more than 155lbs for any contest during the course of fifty bouts!

This is basic "inhale, exhale, blink" type information!

It's not like Golovkin just magically appeared out of nowhere: he was Cottos mandatory and took step aside money to allow Cotto to fight Canelo, and Cotto didn't pay the WBC sanctioning fee so the fight was technically contested for the 'vacant WBC middleweight title. So if Cotto would have won he'd already got himself out of fighting GGG. However, he didn't win, Canelo did, and Golovkin was his mandatory. Golovkin had already stepped aside to allow Canelo to fight Cotto, now he was due his fight. Canelo then bricked it, moaned about the WBC being mean to him, and ran crying back down a weight class until Golovkin started looking old in the ring.

Why are you so obsessed with defending the guy? It was a blatant duck.

Cyclops wrote: ↑29 Oct 2021, 12:16

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Oct 2021, 07:40

Cyclops wrote: ↑29 Oct 2021, 05:39
People's memories are so short. He wouldn't fight a prime Golovkin.

He hid out in a weight class of his own just below middleweight saying he was too small to fight Golovkin, who was his mandatory after beating the tiny ex- super lightweight Cotto, for ages, even dropping back down to get a title a super welterweight against a Smith...

You've either forgotten real-world historical events or you are being intentionally untruthful.

Canelo vacated his WBC title after Mauricio Sulaimán's governing body moved the goalposts by suddenly imposing an impossible 15-day deadline for GBP & K2 to come to an agreement for the Alvarez-GGG bout, despite the fact that both Canelo and Golden Boy were physically in Florida attending court addressing the $27m All Star Boxing lawsuit.

Mauricio Sulaimán's unreasonable actions soured the WBC’s relationship with Canelo, to the point that the Mexican refused to even pay sanctioning fees to the WBC, refusing to consider claiming ownership of that title had he defeated GGG in their first bout.

This is heavily-publicised stuff!

When Canelo fought Liam Smith at 154lbs, he'd never officially weighed more than 155lbs for any contest during the course of fifty bouts!

This is basic "inhale, exhale, blink" type information!

It's not like Golovkin just magically appeared out of nowhere: he was Cottos mandatory and took step aside money to allow Cotto to fight Canelo, and Cotto didn't pay the WBC sanctioning fee so the fight was technically contested for the 'vacant WBC middleweight title. So if Cotto would have won he'd already got himself out of fighting GGG. However, he didn't win, Canelo did, and Golovkin was his mandatory. Golovkin had already stepped aside to allow Canelo to fight Cotto, now he was due his fight. Canelo then bricked it, moaned about the WBC being mean to him, and ran crying back down a weight class until Golovkin started looking old in the ring.

Why are you so obsessed with defending the guy? It was a blatant duck.