WBC formally approves Canelo vs. Illunga Makabu (May 2022)

[jezzamundo]

Side not, WBC now has as bad a gap from cruiser to bridger as the other orgs have from cruiser to heavyweight.. fix one "problem" create another. (although im glad there is an option now for people that are like 195lbs and are either tiny cruisers or weight drained 175s.)

The WBC has addressed the 25lbs gap between light heavyweight and cruiserweight. And they also addressed the 47lbs void between cruiserweight and average heavyweights.

For instance:

Before:
• Super-middleweight -> Light heavyweight = 7lbs
• Light heavyweight -> Cruiserweight = 25lbs
• Cruiserweight -> Average heavyweight = 47lbs

After:
• Super-middleweight -> Light heavyweight = 7lbs
• Light heavyweight -> Cruiserweight = 15lbs
• Cruiserweight -> Bridgerweight = 34lbs
• Bridgerweight -> Average heavyweight = 23lbs

The WBC’s solution is far from ideal, but I feel that only one weight class between 175lb-ers and typical 247lbs heavyweights was far too great a weight difference.

Worth noting that the average Cruiserweight is likely 215lb in the ring and the average 247lb heavyweight is about 20lb overweight. The size difference isn't as big as it looks on paper.

[Enlightened-One]

Side not, WBC now has as bad a gap from cruiser to bridger as the other orgs have from cruiser to heavyweight.. fix one "problem" create another. (although im glad there is an option now for people that are like 195lbs and are either tiny cruisers or weight drained 175s.)

The WBC has addressed the 25lbs gap between light heavyweight and cruiserweight. And they also addressed the 47lbs void between cruiserweight and average heavyweights.

For instance:

Before:
• Super-middleweight -> Light heavyweight = 7lbs
• Light heavyweight -> Cruiserweight = 25lbs
• Cruiserweight -> Average heavyweight = 47lbs

After:
• Super-middleweight -> Light heavyweight = 7lbs
• Light heavyweight -> Cruiserweight = 15lbs
• Cruiserweight -> Bridgerweight = 34lbs
• Bridgerweight -> Average heavyweight = 23lbs

The WBC’s solution is far from ideal, but I feel that only one weight class between 175lb-ers and typical 247lbs heavyweights was far too great a weight difference.

Worth noting that the average Cruiserweight is likely 215lb in the ring and the average 247lb heavyweight is about 20lb overweight. The size difference isn't as big as it looks on paper.

I agree to a certain extent, but it’s also a statistical fact that only 8% of fighters weighing 225lbs or less have been successful during 265 world heavyweight title bouts (spanning the last 57½ years) against men weighing at least 20lbs more than themselves.

[jezzamundo]

The WBC has addressed the 25lbs gap between light heavyweight and cruiserweight. And they also addressed the 47lbs void between cruiserweight and average heavyweights.

For instance:

Before:
• Super-middleweight -> Light heavyweight = 7lbs
• Light heavyweight -> Cruiserweight = 25lbs
• Cruiserweight -> Average heavyweight = 47lbs

After:
• Super-middleweight -> Light heavyweight = 7lbs
• Light heavyweight -> Cruiserweight = 15lbs
• Cruiserweight -> Bridgerweight = 34lbs
• Bridgerweight -> Average heavyweight = 23lbs

The WBC’s solution is far from ideal, but I feel that only one weight class between 175lb-ers and typical 247lbs heavyweights was far too great a weight difference.

Worth noting that the average Cruiserweight is likely 215lb in the ring and the average 247lb heavyweight is about 20lb overweight. The size difference isn't as big as it looks on paper.

I agree to a certain extent, but it’s also a statistical fact that only 8% of fighters weighing 225lbs or less have been successful during 265 world heavyweight title bouts (spanning the last 57½ years) against men weighing at least 20lbs more than themselves.

I can't believe that's true. I'm assuming what you mean is that 8% of the title fights involved a sub 225lb heavyweight beating a 245+ lb heavyweight?

[Jeff_lacy_ko]

Canelo is light years better he wins easily

Dorticos has a major power advantage and briedis is too good so i dont expect him to fight them

Beterbiev and bivol could beat him too

[Enlightened-One]

Worth noting that the average Cruiserweight is likely 215lb in the ring and the average 247lb heavyweight is about 20lb overweight. The size difference isn't as big as it looks on paper.

I agree to a certain extent, but it’s also a statistical fact that only 8% of fighters weighing 225lbs or less have been successful during 265 world heavyweight title bouts (spanning the last 57½ years) against men weighing at least 20lbs more than themselves.

I can't believe that's true. I'm assuming what you mean is that 8% of the title fights involved a sub 225lb heavyweight beating a 245+ lb heavyweight?

I am saying any small heavyweight (225lbs or less) rarely beats an opponent with at least a 20lbs weight advantage in a world heavyweight title fight (based on all the contests that took place during the last 57½ years).

Size clearly isn’t the be-all-and-end-all, but it is an undeniable statistical historical fact that it matters, even though most of us are more than capable of naming a handful of exceptions to the general rule.

There have only been 22 exceptions from 265 world title bouts and I can list these contests, if you really wanted to perform some fact-checking?

[Bandog]

Id back Makabu to stop canelo unless he gets absolutly canelo weighted... cruiser weight might be at 176lbs for the next few years...

As long as the casuals are happy and impressed.

[peter barlow]

[bobcatbox]

WBC did move cruiser down after they created Bridger right? I thought I saw that somewhere. If the fight takes place at 190-195 pounds I’d back Canelo to take a closer than he’d like decision.

[jezzamundo]

I agree to a certain extent, but it’s also a statistical fact that only 8% of fighters weighing 225lbs or less have been successful during 265 world heavyweight title bouts (spanning the last 57½ years) against men weighing at least 20lbs more than themselves.

I can't believe that's true. I'm assuming what you mean is that 8% of the title fights involved a sub 225lb heavyweight beating a 245+ lb heavyweight?

I am saying any small heavyweight (225lbs or less) rarely beats an opponent with at least a 20lbs weight advantage in a world heavyweight title fight (based on all the contests that took place during the last 57½ years).

Size clearly isn’t the be-all-and-end-all, but it is an undeniable statistical historical fact that it matters, even though most of us are more than capable of naming a handful of exceptions to the general rule.

There have only been 22 exceptions from 265 world title bouts and I can list these contests, if you really wanted to perform some fact-checking?

What I'm saying is that statistic is misleading - whether to mislead was your intention or not.

If I knew the number of times the reverse occurred (which I don't, but for the sake of providing an example, let's say it's twice the number) I could say the following:

It's a statistical fact that only 16% of fighters weighing 245lb or more have been successful during the 265 world title bouts (spanning the last 57.5 years) against men weighing at least 20lb less than themselves.

There have only been 44 exceptions from the 265 world title bouts.

See what I mean?

[Enlightened-One]

What I'm saying is that statistic is misleading - whether to mislead was your intention or not.

See what I mean?

I’ve literally counted the number of times a small heavyweight won a world title fight by beating a much larger opponent… and those are the numbers.

Two important points to consider, to put my claims into context, which are also factually accurate:

• It’s extremely rare for small heavyweights to achieve sufficient success to progress their careers to the point they’re able to compete in a world title fight (meaning that 'David vs. Goliath' type bouts rarely happen).
• And for the most recent 265 world heavyweight title bouts, the larger heavyweight is statistically more than twice as likely to beat their much smaller opponent than the other way around.

The only counter arguments to statistical facts are:

• Personal unverified observations (i.e. feelings or abiding by the general consensus opinion is deemed as being more important than real-world historical facts)
• Claims that statistics themselves can be misleading, so they should either be ignored or taken with a pinch of salt.

However, no one has proven capable of refuting the statistics I’ve cited, either because they can’t be bothered, or they've actually performed their own research and subsequently realised I was right after all.

[bobcatbox]

EO, I actually agree with and appreciate your analytics on a heavyweight fight, but how do you think that translates to a cruiser fight? Has Makabu got a reputation for bloating back up twenty pounds? I mean Canelo has room to bulk up to 190-195, so if Malabo comes in with a 10-15 pound advantage at best, what are really worrying about?

[Enlightened-One]

EO, I actually agree with and appreciate your analytics on a heavyweight fight, but how do you think that translates to a cruiser fight?

Apologies, we kind of went off-topic.

Someone mentioned that reducing the cruiserweight limit to 190lbs created a larger void cruiserweights and typical heavyweights.

But then people suggested that the void between cruiserweights and heavyweights was insignificant, hence the discussion going down the wrong path.

Anyway, to summarise my opinion, “a good big 'un usually beats a good little 'un”, but “a potential all-time-great little 'un usually beats a slightly larger good big 'un.”

Has Makabu got a reputation for bloating back up twenty pounds?

Mukabu comforatbly made the old 200lbs, often with room to spare, so I suspect he won't enter the ring against Canelo weighing more than 210lbs.

I mean Canelo has room to bulk up to 190-195, so if Malabo comes in with a 10-15 pound advantage at best, what are really worrying about?

Canelo is a huge 168lb-er, rehydrating to roughly 185lbs.

I don't think he'll gain much for the Mukabu fight though, because I suspect this will only be a brief one-off soiree at cruiserweight.

Canelo will likely make a permanent return to 175lbs after the Mukabu fight.

In terms of the Canelo-Mukabu fight, I think we’ll end up with a fully-hydrated 190lb-er facing an opponent entering the ring weighing around the 205lbs mark.

I need to watch more Mukabu fights to gauge how much impact the size discrepancy will affect this bout, but I’m led to believe that Illunga is now much better than the man that was stopped inside three rounds by Tony Bellew.

[Counter-puncher]

[gregregegg]

Just saw footage of them shaking hands and hugging. Don’t know how thick makabus jacket was, or if he has a bit of extra out of camp weight, but he looks giannnnt next to canelo. At a glance I though canelo was hugging fornicating Lennox Lewis or something.

[bobcatbox]

Don King figured out a way to get into the Canelottery. Just a damn genius man.

https://www.BS.com/makabu-mchu ... de--162311

[Enlightened-One]

Canelo Alvarez's manager/trainer, Eddy Reynoso, says his team are planning a third fight with Matchroom that will take place in December, either in Guadalajara (Mexico) or in England, against the WBC cruiserweight champion, Ilunga Makabu.

If Canelo manages to defeat Bivol, Golovkin and Makabu within a seven-month timeframe during 2022, then that would be a remarkable feat!

And if Canelo then manages to fight the winner of Beterbiev-Smith Jr., Charlo and Benavidez the following year, then I think he should consider retirement, because he would have run out of commercially viable opponents. There would be no more mountains for him to climb.

[margaret thatcher]

canelo is a total stud, absolutely raging levels of studness. the only fighter today who could say he wants to fight 3 opponents like that in a year, and you'd actually believe he'll do it

[Ruthless-RKO]

canelo is a total stud, absolutely raging levels of studness. the only fighter today who could say he wants to fight 3 opponents like that in a year, and you'd actually believe he'll do it

He hardly talks, but when he does, you know he's telling the truth. He means the business.