Which boxer, retired in the last 10, do you miss the most?

[ironbeard]

Last 10?

Years?

Yes.

I was worried that the topic title was getting too long.

[brilo33]

Last 10?

Years?

Yes.

I was worried that the topic title was getting too long.

was going Dubois

[ironbeard]

Marcos Maidana

Definitely in the top five boxers who I miss. What a fighter! What an overachiever!

I hated the fact that the second FMJ fight happened but I was overjoyed for Marcos. How often does anyone hit the lottery twice in less than five months?

That Ortiz fight made me a fan for life! He almost pulled it off v Khan in a great fight and he beat up Broner.

Argentina, send us another Marcos Maidana!

[ironbeard]

Last 10?

Years?

Yes.

I was worried that the topic title was getting too long.

was going Dubois

?Retired?

[ironbeard]

I have to say, I was so glad that he absolutely flattened Manny in their final fight, after getting jobbed in at least two of the previous fights.

JMM was the first to come to mind for me. I have been going through his fights lately. Damn could he throw the combos, counter, take shots, get floored and comeback fast.

Loved that he finally got his W v Manny in a FOTD.

Miss him a lot, but happy he got out at the right time.

I was at the first fight with Pacman, in the press section, so had a really good view of the action. The first knockdown was just a straight shot that caught him with his legs square, and forced him over, he wasn't hurt, the 2nd, he was hurt, got up a little too fast, and hadn't properly recovered.

If you watch the 3rd, Manny clumps him when he's on the floor, and it's that 2nd shot that hurts him bad, I remember watching him hauling himself up with the ropes, and thinking 'no way he survives the round' as he was properly hurt.

Marquez went toe to toe with Manny for the last I think 45 seconds it was, and took some meaty shots, but just bit down on his gumshield, and gutted it out. How he didn't go down again is beyond me, because he took some flush shots. He did the right thing though, if he'd have run, or covered up, he would have been eaten alive, and the ref would probably have jumped in.

Fair play to Cortez, he could easily have stopped it when he got up at 8 from the 3rd knockdown.

What a fighter.

I am now and forever envious.

[brilo33]

Yes.

I was worried that the topic title was getting too long.

was going Dubois

?Retired?

didnt he retire in the 10th rd, taking the michael being stupid, to the ruthless post just before

[ironbeard]

was going Dubois

?Retired?

didnt he retire in the 10th rd, taking the michael being stupid, to the ruthless post just before

I should have gotten that.

[jamesmcdonnell]

JMM was the first to come to mind for me. I have been going through his fights lately. Damn could he throw the combos, counter, take shots, get floored and comeback fast.

Loved that he finally got his W v Manny in a FOTD.

Miss him a lot, but happy he got out at the right time.

I was at the first fight with Pacman, in the press section, so had a really good view of the action. The first knockdown was just a straight shot that caught him with his legs square, and forced him over, he wasn't hurt, the 2nd, he was hurt, got up a little too fast, and hadn't properly recovered.

If you watch the 3rd, Manny clumps him when he's on the floor, and it's that 2nd shot that hurts him bad, I remember watching him hauling himself up with the ropes, and thinking 'no way he survives the round' as he was properly hurt.

Marquez went toe to toe with Manny for the last I think 45 seconds it was, and took some meaty shots, but just bit down on his gumshield, and gutted it out. How he didn't go down again is beyond me, because he took some flush shots. He did the right thing though, if he'd have run, or covered up, he would have been eaten alive, and the ref would probably have jumped in.

Fair play to Cortez, he could easily have stopped it when he got up at 8 from the 3rd knockdown.

What a fighter.

I am now and forever envious.

It was definitely the apogee of the curve of my time as a boxing reporter.

[brilo33]

that era that weight was fantastic , miguel cotto

[jamesmcdonnell]

I have to say, I was so glad that he absolutely flattened Manny in their final fight, after getting jobbed in at least two of the previous fights.

JMM was the first to come to mind for me. I have been going through his fights lately. Damn could he throw the combos, counter, take shots, get floored and comeback fast.

Of all the things I loved about him, I think above all it was the fact that we saw him knocked down, what, 8 times, seriously hurt in most of them.

Think back to the aftermath of those knockdowns- he NEVER ran. He NEVER held. He NEVER just hid behind his guard or went into some other kind of shell hoping he could bide time and take no risks until he was recovered.

He ALWAYS fvcking fought back, set himself to counter and take the opportunities that came HIS way (which is to show the depth of his counterpunching skill, how deeply ingrained into his muscle memory and psyche it was) Remember the look in his eyes at the end of the round after the KD IN the second Pac fight, staring back in intense fury even as his fkin legs were almost giving way on him.

Quite apart from his skill, the above made me love him with utter fervour. Cos, that running holding or shelling up thing? Everybody else does it at some point or another, pretty much.

Marquez boxed his ears off the next round, and for pretty much the rest of the fight.

[jamesmcdonnell]

that era that weight was fantastic , miguel cotto

As I recall, cotto was on the undercard. Forget who he fought now..

He did, it was lovelorn N'dou. Cotto sustained a broken rib early and hard a tough 12 rounder.

[margaret thatcher]

jmm did not get jobbed in 2 fights vs pac at all

he was also a huge whiner and excuse maker, which dudes seem to usually hate. though at least juanny delivered in the ring

[jamesmcdonnell]

jmm did not get jobbed in 2 fights vs pac at all

he was also a huge whiner and excuse maker, which dudes seem to usually hate. though at least juanny delivered in the ring

A matter of opinion.

I

[margaret thatcher]

ya, just like im sure pac fanbois had him easily winning the first 3

juan was actually lucky as hell the one judged f@cked up (and admitted to it) his scoring of the first round in the first fight

[brilo33]

never took to Juan Manuel Marquez dont know why he was a warrior no doubt i thought he killed pac man when he ko him in the 3rd fight , i couldnt see past erik morales,

[jamesmcdonnell]

ya, just like im sure pac fanbois had him easily winning the first 3

juan was actually lucky as hell the one judged f@cked up (and admitted to it) his scoring of the first round in the first fight

Whatever.

I'm aware of the scoring discrepancy. However manny was under manners the entirety of the rest of the fight.

As I recall there was quite a long delay in the scores being announced on the night.

Even with a 10-6 round, my scorecard read in favour of marquez.

[jamesmcdonnell]

never took to Juan Manuel Marquez dont know why he was a warrior no doubt i thought he killed pac man when he ko him in the 3rd fight , i couldnt see past erik morales,

4th fight.

[brilo33]

never took to Juan Manuel Marquez dont know why he was a warrior no doubt i thought he killed pac man when he ko him in the 3rd fight , i couldnt see past erik morales,

4th fight.

wow 4th fight i remember everyone thinking they were past there best ready for bed , iam guessing they were a spritley 36 34 ages maybe older cant remember i think that is why i never got the same buzz from them fights as the later fights came to late in there careers , even tho after pac man went on for another 10 years

[margaret thatcher]

fine if anyone scored for jmm, but to call the draw in the first fight a robbery is just being a whiney juaner

james, you said juan was jobbed in 'at least' 2 of the pac fights - are you thinking over whether to say all of the first 3 were jobbings? series should really be 4-0 juan?

[goose 5]

Kessler was a personal favorite of mine.

[ironbeard]

never took to Juan Manuel Marquez dont know why he was a warrior no doubt i thought he killed pac man when he ko him in the 3rd fight , i couldnt see past erik morales,

4th fight.

wow 4th fight i remember everyone thinking they were past there best ready for bed , iam guessing they were a spritley 36 34 ages maybe older cant remember i think that is why i never got the same buzz from them fights as the later fights came to late in there careers , even tho after pac man went on for another 10 years

You sound like you are mixing up FMJ with JMM.

[ironbeard]

that era that weight was fantastic , miguel cotto

Miguel Cotto is a good call. Consummate professional. He gave FMJ and Canelo tough fights. The Cheeto debacle definitely took a measure away from his career. He does not crack my top five but we could use a Cotto around for big fights.

[ironbeard]

How could I forget MAB!

And of course El Terrible, his nemesis!

Appropriate that these two are mentioned together, although I would have to flip the nemesis label to MAB, given he won 2 of 3 of their fights.

These two were a big part of what was great about the first decade of this millennium. We could sure use a couple of them right now.

I wonder who we will think of in ten to 15 years like we think of them?

[jamesmcdonnell]

How could I forget MAB!

And of course El Terrible, his nemesis!

Appropriate that these two are mentioned together, although I would have to flip the nemesis label to MAB, given he won 2 of 3 of their fights.

These two were a big part of what was great about the first decade of this millennium. We could sure use a couple of them right now.

I wonder who we will think of in ten to 15 years like we think of them?

I think we can agree they were one another's nemeses - the winner was not really relevant, as neither man won with ease on any occasion.

I rewatched their first fight the other day, absolutely top drawer action, not just a wild brawl, but a toe to toe war with great skills on show.

[ironbeard]

How could I forget MAB!

And of course El Terrible, his nemesis!

Appropriate that these two are mentioned together, although I would have to flip the nemesis label to MAB, given he won 2 of 3 of their fights.

These two were a big part of what was great about the first decade of this millennium. We could sure use a couple of them right now.

I wonder who we will think of in ten to 15 years like we think of them?

I think we can agree they were one another's nemeses - the winner was not really relevant, as neither man won with ease on any occasion.

I rewatched their first fight the other day, absolutely top drawer action, not just a wild brawl, but a toe to toe war with great skills on show.

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