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Cáñelo
Inoue
Estrada and/or Roman Gonzalez
Crawford if he beats Porter more clearly than Spence. If not, Spence
Furry

jimcook wrote: ↑13 Nov 2021, 03:29

DrDuke wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 08:30

jimcook wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 08:17

it was closer, for sure and allclose fights are debatable, subjective etc, but ggg was already way past prime by then. canelo gets everything his own way,and is probably a drug cheat. he doesnt deserve p4p no 1 status.

Golovkin was way past prime? You kidding? What was an indication of that? When was his prime over?

the fact that he was already 35 years old.

The lower intensity of his career allowed him to be in top shape. He isn't way past prime even now, if it's possible to say, that he declined to some extent.

Usyk - simply astonishing to accomplish what he has done on the road.

Inoue - the master assassin

Lomachenko - pushing the envelope of the entire sport

Spence - Impressive so far but still feels like we haven't seen the best yet.


Cheaters (Clenelo) and cowards (Crawford) don't count.

why leave gennadyi out?

giacomino wrote: ↑13 Nov 2021, 10:00 Cáñelo
Inoue
Estrada and/or Roman Gonzalez
Crawford if he beats Porter more clearly than Spence. If not, Spence
Furry

tbh , estrada has ever really wow'd me. first fight with cuadras i thought he barely barely pulled out and easily couldve had go against him, then floored hard in rematch though won decisively in the end. thought he lost clear 8-4 to roman in the rematch. thought he was basically even with mediocre dewan bemoan before stopping him. very few 'wow!' showings. good for sure but a lot of fights just doesnt really seem to bring it and kinda just does about enough

for me crawford, spence, usyk, lopez all above estrada as well, inclined to edge josh taylor over him as well

1. demetrius andrade
2. luis ortiz
3. devin haney
4. deontay wilder
5. floyd mayweather jr

mike_UK wrote: ↑12 Nov 2021, 05:33 Wonder why Josh Taylor never gets a look-in in these p4p lists? Surely anyone who's undisputed in a division should be in the conversation? Ahead of Spence for sure in my eyes.

Yes, I agree

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑14 Nov 2021, 02:13 1. demetrius andrade
2. luis ortiz
3. devin haney
4. deontay wilder
5. floyd mayweather jr

I'd switch places with Ortiz & Wilder. But besides that, spot on

1. Canelo: His body of work is deserving
2. Usyk: Well this guy's talent level is off the charts
3. Fury: The greatest heavyweight of last few decades
4. GGG: Mainstay. Plus, if Canelo is here ....
5. Lomachenko: The loss to Lopez wasn't convincing, certainly not enough to disappear him from top 10 lb4lb
6. Bud Crawford: Longtime undefeated Welterweight
7. Josh Taylor: Undisputed Jr. Welterweight Champion
8. Errol Spence: He passes the eye test, special fighter.
9. Beterbiev: He's a monster
10. Naoya Inoue: I don't know the little guys well but he looks like a killer

thomasjkelley wrote: ↑14 Nov 2021, 03:23 1. Canelo: His body of work is deserving
2. Usyk: Well this guy's talent level is off the charts
3. Fury: The greatest heavyweight of last few decades
4. GGG: Mainstay. Plus, if Canelo is here ....
5. Lomachenko: The loss to Lopez wasn't convincing, certainly not enough to disappear him from top 10 lb4lb
6. Bud Crawford: Longtime undefeated Welterweight
7. Josh Taylor: Undisputed Jr. Welterweight Champion
8. Errol Spence: He passes the eye test, special fighter.
9. Beterbiev: He's a monster
10. Naoya Inoue: I don't know the little guys well but he looks like a killer

-Rating Fury above lewis is a hugeee call based of beating a past prime klitchco, Chisora and wilder...
-GGG while semi deserving on resume, probably isnt p4p top 50 anymore on how good he is currently (we dont know that but i expect him to look very unconvincing in december).

These things are pure opinion so i can get around the list as a whole, and i dont even really disagree, just think there the more debatable points of the list.

any other avid boxrec record scanners getting increasing number of security warnings? or just me

gregregegg wrote: ↑14 Nov 2021, 03:30

thomasjkelley wrote: ↑14 Nov 2021, 03:23 1. Canelo: His body of work is deserving
2. Usyk: Well this guy's talent level is off the charts
3. Fury: The greatest heavyweight of last few decades
4. GGG: Mainstay. Plus, if Canelo is here ....
5. Lomachenko: The loss to Lopez wasn't convincing, certainly not enough to disappear him from top 10 lb4lb
6. Bud Crawford: Longtime undefeated Welterweight
7. Josh Taylor: Undisputed Jr. Welterweight Champion
8. Errol Spence: He passes the eye test, special fighter.
9. Beterbiev: He's a monster
10. Naoya Inoue: I don't know the little guys well but he looks like a killer

-Rating Fury above lewis is a hugeee call based of beating a past prime klitchco, Chisora and wilder...
-GGG while semi deserving on resume, probably isnt p4p top 50 anymore on how good he is currently (we dont know that but i expect him to look very unconvincing in december).

These things are pure opinion so i can get around the list as a whole, and i dont even really disagree, just think there the more debatable points of the list.

Fair points

I can’t put usyk at number 1 as he’s not the number one ranked heavyweight so why would I put him at p4p number 1 if he beat fury he definitely is , Ive put canelo at 1 even though I thought he lost the first ggg fight 2nd could of gone either way but it is what it is Crawfords Gota be top 3

dan28uk wrote: ↑04 Dec 2021, 13:38 I can’t put usyk at number 1 as he’s not the number one ranked heavyweight so why would I put him at p4p number 1 if he beat fury he definitely is , Ive put canelo at 1 even though I thought he lost the first ggg fight 2nd could of gone either way but it is what it is Crawfords Gota be top 3

So if canelo beats makuba his pound for pound rating will drop because he wont be the top cruiser weight? that seems weird.

*Is* P4P king places Canelo above Golovkin, since the majority of us would expect him to beat G if they fought again. The fact lots of us believe G won their first fight has nothing to do with it. Canelo's currently the most dominant champion, so #1 seems fair.

But change the question to *was* P4P king and things open right up. Usyk and Crawford's achievements might overtake Canelo's by the time they're all done, and the big reason I don't rate Usyk above Canelo is because I think he's a higher chance of losing soon.

P4P's always tricky because divisions are rarely equal. Not to mention primes passing like ships in the night. I rate Golovkin above Canelo in their respective primes, but that's not the question.

gregregegg wrote: ↑14 Nov 2021, 03:30

thomasjkelley wrote: ↑14 Nov 2021, 03:23 1. Canelo: His body of work is deserving
2. Usyk: Well this guy's talent level is off the charts
3. Fury: The greatest heavyweight of last few decades
4. GGG: Mainstay. Plus, if Canelo is here ....
5. Lomachenko: The loss to Lopez wasn't convincing, certainly not enough to disappear him from top 10 lb4lb
6. Bud Crawford: Longtime undefeated Welterweight
7. Josh Taylor: Undisputed Jr. Welterweight Champion
8. Errol Spence: He passes the eye test, special fighter.
9. Beterbiev: He's a monster
10. Naoya Inoue: I don't know the little guys well but he looks like a killer

-Rating Fury above lewis is a hugeee call based of beating a past prime klitchco, Chisora and wilder...
-GGG while semi deserving on resume, probably isnt p4p top 50 anymore on how good he is currently (we dont know that but i expect him to look very unconvincing in december).

These things are pure opinion so i can get around the list as a whole, and i dont even really disagree, just think there the more debatable points of the list.

tyson fury

adislav123 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2021, 20:50

gregregegg wrote: ↑14 Nov 2021, 03:30

thomasjkelley wrote: ↑14 Nov 2021, 03:23 1. Canelo: His body of work is deserving
2. Usyk: Well this guy's talent level is off the charts
3. Fury: The greatest heavyweight of last few decades
4. GGG: Mainstay. Plus, if Canelo is here ....
5. Lomachenko: The loss to Lopez wasn't convincing, certainly not enough to disappear him from top 10 lb4lb
6. Bud Crawford: Longtime undefeated Welterweight
7. Josh Taylor: Undisputed Jr. Welterweight Champion
8. Errol Spence: He passes the eye test, special fighter.
9. Beterbiev: He's a monster
10. Naoya Inoue: I don't know the little guys well but he looks like a killer

-Rating Fury above lewis is a hugeee call based of beating a past prime klitchco, Chisora and wilder...
-GGG while semi deserving on resume, probably isnt p4p top 50 anymore on how good he is currently (we dont know that but i expect him to look very unconvincing in december).

These things are pure opinion so i can get around the list as a whole, and i dont even really disagree, just think there the more debatable points of the list.

One of my favourites, but he scraped past derev at 37… going to be 40 next time he fights. Aging is real, GGG is an all time great hall of gamer for me, but don’t expect him to look that way next time out.

all this talk of usyk i like the man and rate him but he beat aj , why isnt ruiz in this list then he ko aj ,he struggled with delboy i have no doubt fury will flatten him

Canelo or Usyk are really the only possible options.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Dec 2021, 21:07 Canelo or Usyk are really the only possible options.

how gill so you rate aj the best boxer on the planet then

brilo33 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2021, 21:09

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Dec 2021, 21:07 Canelo or Usyk are really the only possible options.

how gill so you rate aj the best boxer on the planet then

Certainly not. Beating AJ is not Usyk's only accomplishment. Just his most recent. I considered him a Top 3 P4P fighter before the AJ victory.

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Dec 2021, 21:10

brilo33 wrote: ↑04 Dec 2021, 21:09

gilgamesh wrote: ↑04 Dec 2021, 21:07 Canelo or Usyk are really the only possible options.

how gill so you rate aj the best boxer on the planet then

Certainly not. Beating AJ is not Usyk's only accomplishment. Just his most recent. I considered him a Top 3 P4P fighter before the AJ victory.

granted gil what he did in the cruiserweight outstanding and his step to heaveyweight again quailty, but with fury there how can he not be p4p, ur a heavy weight man aswell

Canelo Alvarez
Terence Crawford
Olek Usyk
Naoya Inoue*
Tyson Fury