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Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑22 Dec 2021, 17:27

For some reason, I am not seeing quite a few of your download posts these days.

Yet another ppv that I will not buy.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑22 Dec 2021, 17:27

It's a perfectly reasonable stance to take.

Terence Crawford isn't a PBC fighter and nor is he a PPV draw.

So it's commercially easier and less risky for the PBC to stage a bout between two in-house fighters.

If Crawford is desperate to face PBC fighters, then he needs to sign with the PBC.

Unfortunately for Crawford, Top Rank and Matchroom aren't interested in him, his commercial figures are poor, which means he's not in a position of power.

Unlike Canelo, Bud can't dictate his destiny with the PBC, instead he has to go cap in hand and be grateful for whatever he receives.

For the record, I'm a massive fan of Crawford's pugilistic ability, but his business acumen is rather poor... and even his former promoter, Bob Arum, has been claiming this for quite some time.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Dec 2021, 21:02

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑22 Dec 2021, 17:27

It's a perfectly reasonable stance to take.

Terence Crawford isn't a PBC fighter and nor is he a PPV draw.

So it's commercially easier and less risky for the PBC to stage a bout between two in-house fighters.

If Crawford is desperate to face PBC fighters, then he needs to sign with the PBC.

Unfortunately for Crawford, Top Rank and Matchroom aren't interested in him, his commercial figures are poor, which means he's not in a position of power.

Unlike Canelo, Bud can't dictate his destiny with the PBC, instead he has to go cap in hand and be grateful for whatever he receives.

For the record, I'm a massive fan of Crawford's pugilistic ability, but his business acumen is rather poor... and even his former promoter, Bob Arum, has been claiming this for quite some time.

You simply can no hate spence for fighting Ugas. Its a top fight and a unification, while coming of an eye injury. Spence could fight Granados next and it would be reasonable, instead he is going into another hard fight.

Its not Crawford, i get that. But crawford is out there asking for A-side splits when he is clearly the B-side. There is no other way to describe whats happening. If crawford offered to be the 30% in a 70-30 split, then i would agree spence is ducking, But craw hasnt said anything like that ever.

Bandog wrote: ↑22 Dec 2021, 21:10

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑22 Dec 2021, 21:02

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑22 Dec 2021, 17:27

It's a perfectly reasonable stance to take.

Terence Crawford isn't a PBC fighter and nor is he a PPV draw.

So it's commercially easier and less risky for the PBC to stage a bout between two in-house fighters.

If Crawford is desperate to face PBC fighters, then he needs to sign with the PBC.

Unfortunately for Crawford, Top Rank and Matchroom aren't interested in him, his commercial figures are poor, which means he's not in a position of power.

Unlike Canelo, Bud can't dictate his destiny with the PBC, instead he has to go cap in hand and be grateful for whatever he receives.

For the record, I'm a massive fan of Crawford's pugilistic ability, but his business acumen is rather poor... and even his former promoter, Bob Arum, has been claiming this for quite some time.

What’s so funny?

Are you laughing because you 100% agree with me?

Or are you laughing because you’re deluded enough to believe Crawford is a massively commercially popular fighter capable of calling all the shots, because all promoters desperately want to work with him?

I look forward to more emoji’s instead of insightful comments.

gregregegg wrote: ↑22 Dec 2021, 21:52 You simply can no hate spence for fighting Ugas. Its a top fight and a unification, while coming of an eye injury. Spence could fight Granados next and it would be reasonable, instead he is going into another hard fight.

Its not Crawford, i get that. But crawford is out there asking for A-side splits when he is clearly the B-side. There is no other way to describe whats happening. If crawford offered to be the 30% in a 70-30 split, then i would agree spence is ducking, But craw hasnt said anything like that ever.

Good post man.

in other words errol's a total stud, craw bad

Great match-up. Hoping to see the winner against Crawford.

JxhDel. wrote: ↑29 Dec 2021, 18:59 Great match-up. Hoping to see the winner against Crawford.

What if Ugas wins? He'll definitely fight Bud, but will Bud do 50-50? If Spence wins, Bud will have to accept 60/40 at least, or its on him. 3 belts vs 1, much higher ppv numbers.

Bandog wrote: ↑30 Dec 2021, 20:08

JxhDel. wrote: ↑29 Dec 2021, 18:59 Great match-up. Hoping to see the winner against Crawford.

What if Ugas wins? He'll definitely fight Bud, but will Bud do 50-50? If Spence wins, Bud will have to accept 60/40 at least, or its on him. 3 belts vs 1, much higher ppv numbers.

There are no business ties between Crawford and the PBC.

Al Haymon may decide, like Matchroom and Top Rank have done, to refuse to work with Bud unless it’s 100% according to their terms.

It seems rather idiotic to use words, such as “definite” or “guarantee” when it comes to Crawford working with the PBC, because they haven’t agreed to work with each other yet.

And if Bud flatly-refuses to realign his payday demands, so that his purses reflect his viewing figures/PPV buy-rates, then the PBC won’t work with him.

It's not a ppv fight.

Fight Crawford and give up 45% and the fight is a done deal.

Evander wrote: ↑31 Dec 2021, 02:56 It's not a ppv fight.

Fight Crawford and give up 45% and the fight is a done deal.

Spence Jr. holds twice as many belts at 147lbs than Crawford has and Errol has also generated three times more PPV buys than Bud.

Spence Jr. is with the PBC, whereas Crawford was offloaded by Bob Arum and Eddie Hearn has already admitted that he’s not interested in working with Bud.

Therefore, Spence Jr. has options, such as Ugas, whereas Crawford currently doesn’t.

Spence Jr’s resume at 147lbs is also more impressive than Crawford’s.

In my mind, Crawford-Spence won’t get made if Bud demands more than 40% of the purse pot.

And I’m confident that Crawford won’t fight if he isn’t receiving his customary $4m minimum purse per bout guarantee.

My confidence isn’t based on guesswork either, instead it’s based on Crawford’s actual sentiments expressed during multiple interviews.

Will be Spring time

April for Spence/Ugas. If Crawford doesn't accept 30-40 % if Spence wins, it won't happen, and Spence will move up. It's as simple as that.

Ugas

“We are targeting March or April for the fight,” Ugas told Fox Sports’ Ray Flores while in attendance for a Pay-Per-View event at Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino in Hollywood, Florida. “It’s a fight for three titles. It’s a fight that we want and are targeting the springtime.”

Spence

“The fight’s in April,” Spence confirmed in an Instagram Live video with actor/comedian Desi Banks. “Man down, strap season. He already know what time it is.”

Bandog wrote: ↑03 Jan 2022, 20:27 April for Spence/Ugas. If Crawford doesn't accept 30-40 % if Spence wins, it won't happen, and Spence will move up. It's as simple as that.

This is one of those rare occasions where we agree.

However, Errol Spence Jr. could remain at 147lbs and continue facing his fellow PBC stablemates (or fighters that constantly compete on PBC cards, such as Jaron Ennis, that aren’t officially aligned with Al Haymon).

I really don’t see Errol Spence Jr. making the jump to 154lbs whilst his close friend, Jermell Charlo, continues his unified championship title reign. He’ll wait until those belts are vacated, which won’t happen any sooner than mid-July.

Errol Spence Jr. and Jermell Charlo will never fight each other. But I do think the 154lbs titles will be vacated soon and Spence Jr. will immediately try to capture one of them.

In terms of Terence Crawford, he’ll need to negotiate a deal with a new promoter/boxing content provider before he can even consider facing any fighter, let alone Errol Spence Jr.

Until Bud has agreed a new deal, he’ll be side-lined and remain inactive.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 08:09

Bandog wrote: ↑03 Jan 2022, 20:27 April for Spence/Ugas. If Crawford doesn't accept 30-40 % if Spence wins, it won't happen, and Spence will move up. It's as simple as that.

This is one of those rare occasions where we agree.

However, Errol Spence Jr. could remain at 147lbs and continue facing his fellow PBC stablemates (or fighters that constantly compete on PBC cards, such as Jaron Ennis, that aren’t officially aligned with Al Haymon).

I really don’t see Errol Spence Jr. making the jump to 154lbs whilst his close friend, Jermell Charlo, continues his unified championship title reign. He’ll wait until those belts are vacated, which won’t happen any sooner than mid-July.

Errol Spence Jr. and Jermell Charlo will never fight each other. But I do think the 154lbs titles will be vacated soon and Spence Jr. will immediately try to capture one of them.

In terms of Terence Crawford, he’ll need to negotiate a deal with a new promoter/boxing content provider before he can even consider facing any fighter, let alone Errol Spence Jr.

Until Bud has agreed a new deal, he’ll be side-lined and remain inactive.

Spence is a huge drainer, and doubt he'll be at his best until he gets to 154 or 160. He walks around in the mid-upper 170s. It will catch up with him.

Ugas, btw, is a live dog in this fight. Spence hasn't looked in top form for about 3+yrs? Who knows how he will perform?

Bandog wrote: ↑05 Jan 2022, 18:31

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 08:09

Bandog wrote: ↑03 Jan 2022, 20:27 April for Spence/Ugas. If Crawford doesn't accept 30-40 % if Spence wins, it won't happen, and Spence will move up. It's as simple as that.

This is one of those rare occasions where we agree.

However, Errol Spence Jr. could remain at 147lbs and continue facing his fellow PBC stablemates (or fighters that constantly compete on PBC cards, such as Jaron Ennis, that aren’t officially aligned with Al Haymon).

I really don’t see Errol Spence Jr. making the jump to 154lbs whilst his close friend, Jermell Charlo, continues his unified championship title reign. He’ll wait until those belts are vacated, which won’t happen any sooner than mid-July.

Errol Spence Jr. and Jermell Charlo will never fight each other. But I do think the 154lbs titles will be vacated soon and Spence Jr. will immediately try to capture one of them.

In terms of Terence Crawford, he’ll need to negotiate a deal with a new promoter/boxing content provider before he can even consider facing any fighter, let alone Errol Spence Jr.

Until Bud has agreed a new deal, he’ll be side-lined and remain inactive.

Spence is a huge drainer, and doubt he'll be at his best until he gets to 154 or 160. He walks around in the mid-upper 170s. It will catch up with him.

Ugas, btw, is a live dog in this fight. Spence hasn't looked in top form for about 3+yrs? Who knows how he will perform?

Agreed, also a stylistically difficult fight for Spence Jr. I hope Spence Jr. wins because he'll be more of a challenge for Crawford than Ugas would. Ugas would get dominated by Crawford.

Mikey Garcia on Spence-Ugas: That's A Dangerous Fight For Spence, Coming Off Eye Surgery

Mikey Garcia thinks Errol Spence’s surgically-repaired left eye is the wild card in the latter’s upcoming bout against Yordenis Ugas.

Although it has not been formally announced yet, Spence and Ugas are scheduled to face each other in the spring in a welterweight unification bout that will put up for grabs Spence’s WBC/IBF titles and Ugas’ WBA belt. Spence recently posted on social media that the fight will take place in April.

Garcia, who fought Spence in 2019, losing a wide decision, thinks the Cuban Ugas is more than capable of producing an upset, especially considering the fact that his opponent underwent surgery last summer for a detached retina. Spence reportedly sustained the injury in sparring, but it was only discovered during an eye exam just two weeks out from his highly-anticipated pay-per-view bout against Manny Pacquiao on Aug. 21. Spence (27-0, 21 KOs) pulled out of the fight, paving the way for Ugas (27-4, 12 KOs) to fill-in on 11-days notice and eventually defeat the Filipino legend by unanimous decision.

“That’s a tough one for Spence, coming off eye surgery and all that,” Garcia told spam.com. “You don’t know how he’ll react, how his body will react from actual fighting. That’s dangerous for him, I don’t know.”

The eye injury is the second caveat that has come up for Spence in recent years. The Desoto, Texas native was involved in a harrowing, life-threatening car accident in 2019, just weeks after his title-unifying win over Shawn Porter. When Spence eventually returned to the ring, he proved he had not really lost a step, defeating longtime top welterweight contender Danny Garcia (36-3, 21 KOs) by sound unanimous decision.

Spence will have to answer his critics yet again.

Despite his misgivings about Spence’s physical condition, Garcia (40-2, 30 KOs) says he is impressed by the southpaw’s desire to jump into a risky fight.

“If he gets hit, I don’t know, it could cause serious injury,” Garcia said. “That’s a tough fight in a return fight after a surgery like that, for Spence. Big props to him for taking fights like that. That’s a dangerous fight.

“Stylistically, I think Spence is a better fighter but Ugas is no pushover. Big size, strength, he’s strong, he’s a world champ for a reason. He fought really good against [Shawn] Porter, some thought he might have won, and then he beats Manny Pacquiao. Like I said he’s big and strong, too. It’s not an easy fight. It’s a tough one. I can’t even tell you who’s going to win.”

“He might actually fight a little different, fight more cautious, based on the injury,” Garcia continued. “Maybe he feels fine, but he wants to be more cautious about it, so he might fight different than what he’s usually used to. So that could play a factor into the fight. We’ll see. It’s a good fight, man.”

Garcia is coming off a stunning upset to Spain’s Sandor Martin in October.

i like Ugas fights everyone big heart tricky boxer,going spence on points, i hope this is a warm up to crawford tho Ugas is to dangerous for a warm up fight

brilo33 wrote: ↑28 Jan 2022, 17:03 i like Ugas fights everyone big heart tricky boxer,going spence on points, i hope this is a warm up to crawford tho Ugas is to dangerous for a warm up fight

I agree 100%. Ugas had Porter beat I thought too. Spence winning is not a lock.

Errol Spence Jr. battles Yordenis Ugas at AT&T Stadium in April

IBF/WBC welterweight champion Errol Spence Jr. vs. WBA 147-lb champion Yordenis Ugas will be held in April at AT&T Stadium in Arlington, Texas. Spence-Ugas will be a three-belt unification with the IBF, WBA & WBO147-lb titles up for grabs.

According to the DallasNews, the fight is “tentatively scheduled” for the AT&T Stadium in Texas, and the date has “yet to be determined.

Spence will be turning 32-years-old in March, he’s coming off eye surgery for a torn retina, and he hasn’t fought since beating Danny Garcia in December 2020.

It’ll be interesting to see if Spence makes it through training camp without suffering a setback with his surgically repaired right eye.

With an injury like that, Spence can reinjure it during camp.

Fighters that suffer torn retinas are sometimes unable to resume their careers. If Spence experiences another injury to the same eye, he’s going to need to make a big decision on whether he should continue his career.

By the time the Texas native Spence enters the ring against Ugas in April, he’ll have been out of the ring for a year and a half, and he’ll likely have a lot of ring rust.

Spence looked less than impressive in his fight with Garcia in 2020, so we may not see the best version of Spence against Ugas unless he trains hard.

It looks like the management for Spence (27-0, 21 KOs) and Ugas (27-4, 12 KOs) will take their time before eventually announcing the fight weeks before it’s to take place.

We saw this with the Floyd Mayweather Jr. vs. Manny Pacquiao fight in 2015. The negotiations dragged on up until weeks before the battle.

Surprisingly, the fight still broke records on pay-per-view due to the enormous interest, but it likely would have done far better if it had been announced two to three months ahead of time like regular contests.

While Spence vs. Ugas is an excellent unification bout, it’s not a big enough one for the organizers to wait until the final weeks before they fight in April before they reveal the date. If they do that, the PPV numbers won’t be as huge as they wanted.

"Errol Spence Jr. to fight Yordenis Ugas in a unification title fight at AT&T Stadium in April. DeSoto native Errol Spence will fight Yordenis Ugas in April in a unification welterweight title fight tentatively scheduled for AT&T Stadium, according to multiple sources,” Dallas News said.

“A specific date in April has yet to be determined.”

Until the 35-year-old Ugas’s recent 12 round unanimous decision upset win over Manny Pacquiao last August, the Cuban fighter wasn’t that well known to boxing fans.

Moreover, even though Ugas defeated the 42-year-old Pacquiao, who was coming off a two-year-old layoff to send him into retirement, he’s still not a household name with casual boxing fans in America.

Before Ugas fought Pacquiao, his other notable fights were against Shawn Porter, Abel Ramos, Omar Figueroa, Ray Robinson, Thomas Dulorme, Jamal James, and Bryant Perrella. Of those fights, only the Porter match attracted any attention and not much.

You can argue the fight was on the level of the attention Porter’s fights with Sebastian Formella and Adrian Granada.

In other words, boxing fans weren’t keenly interested in the Porter vs.Ugas fight, which made it easy for them not to make a fuss later after Shawn was given a highly controversial 12 round split decision over the Cuban fighter.

The winner will hold three belts and be in a solid position to face WBO welterweight champion Terence Crawford for the undisputed championship later in the year if that’s their desire.

As you would expect, Crawford (39-0, 28 KOs) would be in a positive of weakness to negotiate a decent split, but that might make it impossible to set the fight up.

Also, it would be risky to set a fight up with Crawford, given his purse demands and his past track record in his PPV fights against Shawn Porter, Amir Khan, and Viktor Postol.