Can some one tell me whats happened to witter vs N'Dou?

Foggy · Post by **Foggy** » 17 Feb 2005, 06:00

I wonder how pissed off Witter is, thats 2 fighters that have pulled out, does that give him confidence that people are ducking him ????

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 Feb 2005, 06:14

Well who knows the reason. Lovemore has his version of why it's not happening, and everyone else will have theres.

Trying to figure out who is on the level on boxing makes my fornicating brain hurt.

Finding the truth in boxing is like finding an 80 year old you'd want to shag.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 17 Feb 2005, 06:17

jamesmcdonnell wrote:Well who knows the reason. Lovemore has his version of why it's not happening, and everyone else will have theres.

Trying to figure out who is on the level on boxing makes my fornicating brain hurt.

Finding the truth in boxing is like finding an 80 year old you'd want to shag.

How about Stallone's mum?

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 17 Feb 2005, 06:26

Foggy wrote:I wonder how pissed off Witter is, thats 2 fighters that have pulled out, does that give him confidence that people are ducking him ????

Or is making a fight with him harder than it looks?

He cant control the WBC, but rematch clause to an eliminator bout?

Has anyone EVER heard of that?

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 Feb 2005, 06:32

It would be interesting to hear the Hennessy sports version of things.

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 17 Feb 2005, 06:33

Who's actually promoting this bill, is it Hennessey or De la Hoya.

chado · Post by **chado** » 17 Feb 2005, 06:35

Wasn't N'dou calling out Witter a while back?

Now he has his chance and he's bottled it. What a shitbag!!

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 17 Feb 2005, 06:58

Chado.

I doubt he's bottled it.

Which fighter has fought Mitchell and Cotto on short notice in the last 18 months.

Which fighter has fought Lauri and Battaglia in the last 18 months.

I rate Witter, I really do, but the closer this fight got, the weaker Witter's resume looks.

chado · Post by **chado** » 17 Feb 2005, 07:07

DavidPayne wrote:Chado.

I doubt he's bottled it.

Which fighter has fought Mitchell and Cotto on short notice in the last 18 months.

Which fighter has fought Lauri and Battaglia in the last 18 months.

I rate Witter, I really do, but the closer this fight got, the weaker Witter's resume looks.

Dave, Taken from a clip of an interview of N'dou by you in Sep 2004:

Junior Witter is now very highly ranked and is as high as #3 with the WBC, would you consider facing him, have you heard much about him?

Junior is a great fighter, a very elusive type of opponent but I’d beat him, he has the perfect style for me but he has the perfect style to upset Ricky Hatton too!

So you’d be prepared to fight Witter then?

I’d fight Junior tomorrow, anywhere. No problem.

So whats his problem, its all there for him. Lets be honest he is never gonna become a World Champion and he has only made his name by LOSING to two big names.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 Feb 2005, 07:13

topper123 wrote:Who's actually promoting this bill, is it Hennessey or De la Hoya.

It's a goldenbollocks promotion.

chado · Post by **chado** » 17 Feb 2005, 07:13

Here we are, N'dou calling out Witter for his Commonwealth Title, Yes COMMONWEALTH, Not a WBC elimanator.

NDOU CALLS OUT WITTER

Fighting talk
From Paul Upham at Seconds Out
IBF Pan Pacific junior welterweight champion Lovemore Ndou, 33-5-1 (20) continues to push for a challenge with Commonwealth champion Junior Witter.

"Junior has something I want and that is the prestigious Commonwealth belt," said Ndou. "I am rated and qualify for a challenge, so if he has courage to take on the best junior welterweight in the Commonwealth region, I’m here ready and waiting."

"My words to Junior "the Hitter" Witter are simple, the final hit for you my friend will be the one where your body hits the canvas. Zab got you over 12 and I intend to stop you earlier. You’ve been calling out Ricky Hatton for long enough, it's not going to happen. Are you game to try the 'Black Panther'? It's OK Junior, I don’t bite."

Ndou issues challenge to Witter
By Paul Upham: Seconds Out
Lovemore Ndou’s manager Stuart Duncan has issued a challenge to Junior Witter to face the ‘Black Panther’.

“Roy Alexander and I believe Lovemore can beat Junior Witter any day of the week,” said Duncan, who has written to the British Boxing Board of Control’s Simon Block.

“On behalf of Lovemore Ndou, I am issuing an official challenge to Mr Junior Witter for a defence of his Commonwealth junior welterweight title to be staged in either Great Britain or Australia at the earliest convenience,” wrote Duncan.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 17 Feb 2005, 07:15

Chado,

I share your frustration but it really did boil down to the ELIMINATOR status of the fight.

And the rematch clause.

The money was peanuts but NDOU would have fought WITTER if it had been a final eliminator, I believe that.

A question for you, who asked for the rematch clause?

And why?

Old bones Ian · Post by **Old bones Ian** » 17 Feb 2005, 07:16

chado wrote:
DavidPayne wrote:Chado.

I doubt he's bottled it.

Which fighter has fought Mitchell and Cotto on short notice in the last 18 months.

Which fighter has fought Lauri and Battaglia in the last 18 months.

I rate Witter, I really do, but the closer this fight got, the weaker Witter's resume looks.
Dave, Taken from a clip of an interview of N'dou by you in Sep 2004:

Junior Witter is now very highly ranked and is as high as #3 with the WBC, would you consider facing him, have you heard much about him?

Junior is a great fighter, a very elusive type of opponent but I’d beat him, he has the perfect style for me but he has the perfect style to upset Ricky Hatton too!

So you’d be prepared to fight Witter then?

I’d fight Junior tomorrow, anywhere. No problem.

So whats his problem, its all there for him. Lets be honest he is never gonna become a World Champion and he has only made his name by LOSING to two big names.

N'dou may of got his name in losing bouts, but at least he has a name, Witter isn't known at all in the US, he might be now that there has been this fight on then off, makes you wonder if they just brough N'dou over then fucked him about so he walks out. Witter get publicity and then can fight a lesser name on the undercard, no-one moans because its a last minute replacement

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 17 Feb 2005, 07:17

Chado,

That is damning evidence.

Despite it, Idont think NDOU has bottled it.

I just think he's realised it simply isn't worth it. He has nothing to gain from fighting WITTER really. Nothing.

But as I say, I share your frustration.

Matchfixer · Post by **Matchfixer** » 17 Feb 2005, 07:18

DavidPayne wrote:Chado,

I share your frustration but it really did boil down to the ELIMINATOR status of the fight.

And the rematch clause.

The money was peanuts but NDOU would have fought WITTER if it had been a final eliminator, I believe that.

A question for you, who asked for the rematch clause?

And why?

Does it really need to be granted final eliminator status - the fight in itself is what matters.

Secondly, although both are talented do any deserve a final eliminator fight?

chado · Post by **chado** » 17 Feb 2005, 07:18

DavidPayne wrote:Chado,

I share your frustration but it really did boil down to the ELIMINATOR status of the fight.

And the rematch clause.

The money was peanuts but NDOU would have fought WITTER if it had been a final eliminator, I believe that.

A question for you, who asked for the rematch clause?

And why?

It is frustrating for Boxing fans, to much of this shit goes on in this game.

As far as a re-match clause goes, any sensible promoter would want it, incase a fight is lost due to a cut or twisted ankle etc.

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 17 Feb 2005, 07:21

Really?

And in an eliminator bout?

Now I suppose were it a rematch clause if there was a TD or injury, then I'll give WITTER some latitude but if its just a REMATCH clause in the even of defeat then I have to question how much FAITH, they actually have in Junior to walk the walk?

Open mind.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 Feb 2005, 07:23

chado wrote:
DavidPayne wrote:Chado,

I share your frustration but it really did boil down to the ELIMINATOR status of the fight.

And the rematch clause.

The money was peanuts but NDOU would have fought WITTER if it had been a final eliminator, I believe that.

A question for you, who asked for the rematch clause?

And why?
With all due respect dave, we only have N'dou's word for that. He is likely to paint a picture of being the poor hard done by fighter. I'm not saying it isn't true, but the fact is, how do we know. Answer, we don't.

As for the rematch clause, weren't they supposed to be being made illegal in boxing, what the fornicate ever happened to that? Or was that just in America, or only for world title shots. They aren't supposed to be enforceable are they?

It is frustrating for Boxing fans, to much of this shit goes on in this game.

As far as a re-match clause goes, any sensible promoter would want it, incase a fight is lost due to a cut or twisted ankle etc.

chado · Post by **chado** » 17 Feb 2005, 07:27

He has The Commonwealth Title to gain.

I think its a very good belt to have. But thats just my opinion.

Oh well in the words of Brian Potter, "NEXT"

DavidPayne · Post by **DavidPayne** » 17 Feb 2005, 07:28

Agree James, Lovemore is only likely to paint a very definite picture of himself as the wronged party. ANd I'm trying hard not be hypnotised by the fact I've spoken to him and nobody else.

He was naive to fly without agreeing the detail, but equally he would have been naive to arrive less than a week before the fight and not acclimatise.

However, his only stipulation was the eliminator, and as far as I can tell he's a straight-forward, tell it as it is type guy.

But, sure, it will be a lot more complicated than present evidence suggests.

jamesmcdonnell · Post by **jamesmcdonnell** » 17 Feb 2005, 07:55

You make a good point, it is easy to get hypnotised when you speak to only one party, arguements always sound more compelling when they are made directly to you, as compared to a press release or reading it on another site.

It's all just part of the big merry-go-round that is boxing.

Lefthookhappy19 · Post by **Lefthookhappy19** » 17 Feb 2005, 11:17

theguru wrote:I am over in LA now,spoke to the people who handle Ndou in Austrailia who came over with him for the fight.I asked them what the problem wth Ndou was the answer was "Ndou watched a video of Witter and realised he could fight" basically they and Fenech were really pissed that Ndou wasnt taking the fight.Basically he has shit his self.

Is this a joke or did you really speak to them?