BoxRec Forum HW Top 15 ranking - Parker vs. Chisora / Hunter vs. Forrest / Rivas

[Ruthless-RKO]

Right. First poll is up. Get voting.

[tiny_acres]

lets have some order here, we gotta have a vacancy before we vote new guys in

Good point. i think it is best to vote out and then vote in. honestly, at this point i dont mind leaving them vacant till someone earns it.

I agree it should be an entirely new thread on who to replace whoever leaves the ratings.

[CMCanavessi]

But how are we voting on this when THIS hasn't even been set yet, and there have been several other fights in between.

[Ruthless-RKO]

But how are we voting on this when THIS hasn't even been set yet, and there have been several other fights in between.

It defaulted to no change pal since Dag hasn’t been on.

Name me the fights in between anyway?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Come on.. who voted that Parker should stay 9th?

[Ruthless-RKO]

Surprising majority so far see him above Ruiz.

Fair play.

Keep the votes up.

Will change the poll to decide Chisora’s fate tomorrow.

[gregregegg]

Surprising majority so far see him above Ruiz.

Fair play.

Keep the votes up.

Will change the poll to decide Chisora’s fate tomorrow.

Cant see how you can have him bellow ruiz. Ruiz hasnt looked semi decent in over 2 years. he landed a good shot vs AJ, fair play, but that cant have him top 5 for life....

[Ruthless-RKO]

Surprising majority so far see him above Ruiz.

Fair play.

Keep the votes up.

Will change the poll to decide Chisora’s fate tomorrow.

Cant see how you can have him bellow ruiz. Ruiz hasnt looked semi decent in over 2 years. he landed a good shot vs AJ, fair play, but that cant have him top 5 for life....

Yeh, I can understand.

Beating Fa and Chisora twice is more than what Ruiz has done. Activity needs to be looked into it as well.

[skanksta]

I we voting on what they've proven ? Or what we think they can do ?

[Cyclops]

I we voting on what they've proven ? Or what we think they can do ?

He's proven he can get a win over Ruiz. Ruiz's big moment was the AJ upset, but that was avenged. Ruiz gets brownie points for pulling it off, but hasn't done much since then. I don't see why Parker can't overtake Fatboy in the rankings again.

[Ruthless-RKO]

it's a close one, but I reckon Parker overtakes Ruiz following this past week.

Gonna change the poll soon.

[HomicideHenry]

It really should be a no-brainer that Parker is ahead of Ruiz at this point only because two back-to-back wins over Chisora, who gave the current unified champion Usyk problems, most certainly trumps a competitive decision win over the over the hill Chris Arreola.

I like Andy Ruiz and he has the potential to get back to the top again, but him throwing away the heavyweight title coming in nearly 300 pounds and him looking pretty sub par against Arreola is not good enough to be rated ahead of Parker at this time whose been on a six fight win streak.

[margaret thatcher]

i wonder how long that aj win will keep ruiz top 10, probably the only guy he's beaten in the top 30

[Ruthless-RKO]

i wonder how long that aj win will keep ruiz top 10, probably the only guy he's beaten in the top 30

Was he in the top 10 before he beat AJ?

[margaret thatcher]

no

[Ruthless-RKO]

Where does Chisora move?

Get voting lads.

says at 13
14
15
or out of the top 15.

[HomicideHenry]

I bumped him down to 15, because as far as I'm concerned he's the official gatekeeper of the heavyweight division and losing twice in a row to Parker and giving Usyk one heck of a fight is not as detrimental of losses as say Hunter drawing with some nobody.

[Ruthless-RKO]

I bumped him down to 15, because as far as I'm concerned he's the official gatekeeper of the heavyweight division and losing twice in a row to Parker and giving Usyk one heck of a fight is not as detrimental of losses as say Hunter drawing with some nobody.

I think it helps Del, that he's only lost to top 10-15 ranked opponents.

[HomicideHenry]

I bumped him down to 15, because as far as I'm concerned he's the official gatekeeper of the heavyweight division and losing twice in a row to Parker and giving Usyk one heck of a fight is not as detrimental of losses as say Hunter drawing with some nobody.

I think it helps Del, that he's only lost to top 10-15 ranked opponents.

Definitely. Plus you have to figure that he's defeated guys like Takam, Price, Szpilka, etc in between those losses so he shows he's certainly better than guys outside the top 15 or 20.

And the majority of losses he's had with top 10 or 15 guys have been very competitive like the split decision loss to Pulev and the majority decision loss to Kabayel. The most impressive of the losses has been his performance against Usyk, who absolutely schooled Joshua.

So even with the losses Chisora basically can make anyone in the top five let alone ten have a hard night and the same can't be said of everyone in the top 10 or 15.

[margaret thatcher]

pulev won at least 8 rounds vs del, i had it 118-110, the one judge was on crack with the card for chisora and now ppl act like that fight was close because they just look at the scores

i do agree though, in so many of his losses he's been ultra competitive. the decisions vs whyte 1, parker 1 , kabayel, and helenius coulda easily gone his way

the judging thing with chisora seems to be: when he actually has a good argument for winning a close fight, score it against him. and when he clearly loses, score it way too close for him.

[Ruthless-RKO]

Chizzy has a strong argument of staying in the top 15

[tiny_acres]

pulev won at least 8 rounds vs del, i had it 118-110, the one judge was on crack with the card for chisora and now ppl act like that fight was close because they just look at the scores

i do agree though, in so many of his losses he's been ultra competitive. the decisions vs whyte 1, parker 1 , kabayel, and helenius coulda easily gone his way

the judging thing with chisora seems to be: when he actually has a good argument for winning a close fight, score it against him. and when he clearly loses, score it way too close for him.

Yes he clearly lost to Pulev. He also clearly lost to Kayabel. And most don't consider Agit to be top 15

[Ruthless-RKO]

pulev won at least 8 rounds vs del, i had it 118-110, the one judge was on crack with the card for chisora and now ppl act like that fight was close because they just look at the scores

i do agree though, in so many of his losses he's been ultra competitive. the decisions vs whyte 1, parker 1 , kabayel, and helenius coulda easily gone his way

the judging thing with chisora seems to be: when he actually has a good argument for winning a close fight, score it against him. and when he clearly loses, score it way too close for him.

Yes he clearly lost to Pulev. He also clearly lost to Kayabel. And most don't consider Agit to be top 15

Even at that time. Although beating Del, would have gotten him a good ranking back then, he's done jack since.

[tiny_acres]

pulev won at least 8 rounds vs del, i had it 118-110, the one judge was on crack with the card for chisora and now ppl act like that fight was close because they just look at the scores

i do agree though, in so many of his losses he's been ultra competitive. the decisions vs whyte 1, parker 1 , kabayel, and helenius coulda easily gone his way

the judging thing with chisora seems to be: when he actually has a good argument for winning a close fight, score it against him. and when he clearly loses, score it way too close for him.

Yes he clearly lost to Pulev. He also clearly lost to Kayabel. And most don't consider Agit to be top 15

Even at that time. Although beating Del, would have gotten him a good ranking back then, he's done jack since.

You are right he has done nothing since beating Chisora. Kind of mind boggling that he has wasted so much time

[skanksta]

i wonder how long that aj win will keep ruiz top 10, probably the only guy he's beaten in the top 30

I thought he beat Parker and I'm sure he'd've got the nod anywhere else but NZ.