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Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 02 Jan 2022, 01:32
by H8Usernames
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Jan 2022, 01:14
H8Usernames wrote: ↑02 Jan 2022, 00:55
Poor EO sooo obsessed about how many millions some millionaire makes.
Fights don’t get made if the money isn’t right!
I guess you’re not intelligent enough to comprehend that simple fact?
Boxers are known as “PRIZE fighters”, not “PRIDE fighters”.
Tyson Fury was willing to vacate his world title if the WBC didn’t guarantee him receiving an 80% purse split.
And I suspect Dillian Whyte will reject the Tyson Fury fight, resulting in a lawsuit against the WBC, if he doesn’t receive the percentages stipulated in their own rules.
So you’re welcome to post as many derogatory moronic comments as you like, because it proves you don’t really understand the sport of boxing.
The best fights won’t happen if the fighters aren’t being paid their commercial worth!
This is not some best fight. You are really worried about a shitty fight not happening and a millionaire not stufffing more undeserved funds into his pocket. Sooo enlightened.
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 02 Jan 2022, 01:43
by Enlightened-One
H8Usernames wrote: ↑02 Jan 2022, 01:32
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Jan 2022, 01:14
H8Usernames wrote: ↑02 Jan 2022, 00:55
Poor EO sooo obsessed about how many millions some millionaire makes.
Fights don’t get made if the money isn’t right!
I guess you’re not intelligent enough to comprehend that simple fact?
Boxers are known as “PRIZE fighters”, not “PRIDE fighters”.
Tyson Fury was willing to vacate his world title if the WBC didn’t guarantee him receiving an 80% purse split.
And I suspect Dillian Whyte will reject the Tyson Fury fight, resulting in a lawsuit against the WBC, if he doesn’t receive the percentages stipulated in their own rules.
So you’re welcome to post as many derogatory moronic comments as you like, because it proves you don’t really understand the sport of boxing.
The best fights won’t happen if the fighters aren’t being paid their commercial worth!
This is not some best fight. You are really worried about a shitty fight not happening and a millionaire not stufffing more undeserved funds into his pocket. Sooo enlightened.
I have no idea what that sentence means, but I’ll assume your keyboard Tourette’s Syndrome is compelling you to respond with nonsense.
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 02 Jan 2022, 02:10
by H8Usernames
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Jan 2022, 01:43
H8Usernames wrote: ↑02 Jan 2022, 01:32
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Jan 2022, 01:14
Fights don’t get made if the money isn’t right!
I guess you’re not intelligent enough to comprehend that simple fact?
Boxers are known as “PRIZE fighters”, not “PRIDE fighters”.
Tyson Fury was willing to vacate his world title if the WBC didn’t guarantee him receiving an 80% purse split.
And I suspect Dillian Whyte will reject the Tyson Fury fight, resulting in a lawsuit against the WBC, if he doesn’t receive the percentages stipulated in their own rules.
So you’re welcome to post as many derogatory moronic comments as you like, because it proves you don’t really understand the sport of boxing.
The best fights won’t happen if the fighters aren’t being paid their commercial worth!
This is not some best fight. You are really worried about a shitty fight not happening and a millionaire not stufffing more undeserved funds into his pocket. Sooo enlightened.
I have no idea what that sentence means, but I’ll assume your keyboard Tourette’s Syndrome is compelling you to respond with nonsense.
That's so pityful, pretending not to speak english and refusing to consider the possibility that your words may have been spoke in error. After all.... if you admit that you were wrong... then people here on boxrec may think less of you.... and you might start to think less of yourself..... we can't have that happen now can we.
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 02 Jan 2022, 02:19
by Evander
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 23:16
Evander wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 23:02
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑29 Dec 2021, 22:09
In terms of PPV buy-rates for events staged in the UK, Dillian Whyte is a vastly superior commercial commodity than Tyson Fury.
Oh please, Fury has only fought twice in the UK in almost seven years and that was against Pianeta and Seferi.
Telling me if Fury and Whyte went head to head against the same opponent on PPV in the UK that Whyte would generate more sells at this moment ?
I find that hard to believe.
Can you please do me a favour before I respond to your question?
Just give me a quick reminder, by quoting my actual words, of me making that claim?
If you can’t, then will you at least be honest and concede that you’ve just employed a stawman debating tactic?
Any seven year old child is capable of lying, by pretending to successfully refute a fictional nonsense stance that no one has ever asserted!!!
Anyway, my response to one of the things you previously claimed is this… I believe you’re wrong!!!
Are you seriously “telling me” that Hughie Fury beats a prime version of Lennox Lewis? “I find that hard to believe!!!” 
Yeah ok I get it, but you're still misleading people to believe Whyte would be a bigger PPV draw than Fury in the UK at this point.
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 02 Jan 2022, 09:09
by Las Vegas boxing guy
Tyson Fury is a well known international star. Dillian Whyte is awesome, however he's not a household name.
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 03 Jan 2022, 20:42
by Bandog
Whyte knows he will lose, so he wants to get paid big fir his loss. Hope his shoulder has healed up haha.
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 04 Jan 2022, 05:10
by gp.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Jan 2022, 01:14
H8Usernames wrote: ↑02 Jan 2022, 00:55
Poor EO sooo obsessed about how many millions some millionaire makes.
Fights don’t get made if the money isn’t right!
I guess you’re not intelligent enough to comprehend that simple fact?
Boxers are known as “PRIZE fighters”, not “PRIDE fighters”.
Tyson Fury was willing to vacate his world title if the WBC didn’t guarantee him receiving an 80% purse split.
And I suspect Dillian Whyte will reject the Tyson Fury fight, resulting in a lawsuit against the WBC, if he doesn’t receive the percentages stipulated in their own rules.
So you’re welcome to post as many derogatory moronic comments as you like, because it proves you don’t really understand the sport of boxing.
The best fights won’t happen if the fighters aren’t being paid their commercial worth!
Lesser names have to take lower cuts against big names in order to make their own names bigger if they win.
There is no comparison between Tyson Fury and Dillian Whyte in term of name recognition. None at all. If Whyte wants to be a somebody he has to take the fight for what he can get and make his money afterwards, when people have heard of him as the man who beat Tyson Fury.
The only way it makes sense for Whyte to hold out is if he knows he can't win and that this is going to be the biggest payday of his career. And if that is the case, he doen't really "deserve" more, does he.
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 04 Jan 2022, 05:26
by Enlightened-One
Evander wrote: ↑02 Jan 2022, 02:19
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 23:16Can you please do me a favour before I respond to your question?
Just give me a quick reminder, by quoting my actual words, of me making that claim?
If you can’t, then will you at least be honest and concede that you’ve just employed a stawman debating tactic?
Any seven year old child is capable of lying, by pretending to successfully refute a fictional nonsense stance that no one has ever asserted!!!
Anyway, my response to one of the things you previously claimed is this… I believe you’re wrong!!!
Are you seriously “telling me” that Hughie Fury beats a prime version of Lennox Lewis? “I find that hard to believe!!!”
Yeah ok I get it, but you're still misleading people to believe Whyte would be a bigger PPV draw than Fury in the UK at this point.
I can’t believe you’re stupid enough to repeat the same lie!
I’ve never said that Dillian Whyte is a bigger PPV drawer than Tyson Fury!!! FFS! 
However, there’s no denying ‘The Bodysnatcher’ is a commercially popular fighter that’s headlined more PPV events than Tyson Fury has (as per the following fights: Anthony Joshua, Joseph Parker, Dereck Chisora, Oscar Rivas and Alexander Povetkin [twice]).
Like I said before, either learn to read or stop lying!
This is the second time I’ve asked you to quote my words, but you’ve flatly-refused to do so!
Is it because you don’t have a valid counter-argument, so you’d prefer to pretend you’ve successfully refuted a claim that no human being has ever made?
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 04 Jan 2022, 05:50
by Enlightened-One
gp. wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 05:10
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Jan 2022, 01:14
H8Usernames wrote: ↑02 Jan 2022, 00:55
Poor EO sooo obsessed about how many millions some millionaire makes.
Fights don’t get made if the money isn’t right!
I guess you’re not intelligent enough to comprehend that simple fact?
Boxers are known as “PRIZE fighters”, not “PRIDE fighters”.
Tyson Fury was willing to vacate his world title if the WBC didn’t guarantee him receiving an 80% purse split.
And I suspect Dillian Whyte will reject the Tyson Fury fight, resulting in a lawsuit against the WBC, if he doesn’t receive the percentages stipulated in their own rules.
So you’re welcome to post as many derogatory moronic comments as you like, because it proves you don’t really understand the sport of boxing.
The best fights won’t happen if the fighters aren’t being paid their commercial worth!
Lesser names have to take lower cuts against big names in order to make their own names bigger if they win.
There is no comparison between Tyson Fury and Dillian Whyte in term of name recognition. None at all. If Whyte wants to be a somebody he has to take the fight for what he can get and make his money afterwards, when people have heard of him as the man who beat Tyson Fury.
The only way it makes sense for Whyte to hold out is if he knows he can't win and that this is going to be the biggest payday of his career. And if that is the case, he doen't really "deserve" more, does he.
How many world champions can you name that openly admitted to being willing to vacate their belts if they didn’t receive at least 80% of the purse split to engage in a mandated bout?
Even Billy Joe Saunders ended up receiving more than 20% of the purse pot for the Canelo fight.
And you’re telling me that a long-time multiple PPV headliner and mandated challenger, like Dillian Whyte, deserves 20% or less to face Tyson Fury?
Even the WBC’s own rules state their mandatories receive 30%, with interim champions paid 45% of the purse splits… and Whyte should be earning the latter, because he is the WBC’s interim champion.
It’s great seeing people demanding that Whyte takes a pay cut for the Fury bout, but have people like you ever stopped to consider the possibility that Dillian is being low-balled, because Top Rank would prefer their own fighter to face someone else?
And let’s not forget the fact that Tyson Fury has previously rejected the opportunity to engage in a WBC mandated fight against Dillian Whyte (during May 2019, with ‘The Gypsy King’ preferring to face Otto Wallin instead).
Even though I personally feel that Tyson Fury beats Dillian Whyte, for some reason Top Rank and Queensberry Promotions are doing their upmost to avoid pitting ‘The Gypsy King’ against ‘The Body Snatcher’.
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 04 Jan 2022, 05:51
by skanksta
Fury vs White is pretty damn good.
Fury is No.1.
2 and 3 are tied up, so he's fighting No. 4 or 5 ish.
Dill sells a fight well and brings it in the ring.
I'd prefer The Juggernaut, or a 'don't know how far he'll go' unbeaten, but It's
more or less the best fight that can be made.
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 04 Jan 2022, 16:17
by gp.
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 05:50
gp. wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 05:10
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑02 Jan 2022, 01:14
Fights don’t get made if the money isn’t right!
I guess you’re not intelligent enough to comprehend that simple fact?
Boxers are known as “PRIZE fighters”, not “PRIDE fighters”.
Tyson Fury was willing to vacate his world title if the WBC didn’t guarantee him receiving an 80% purse split.
And I suspect Dillian Whyte will reject the Tyson Fury fight, resulting in a lawsuit against the WBC, if he doesn’t receive the percentages stipulated in their own rules.
So you’re welcome to post as many derogatory moronic comments as you like, because it proves you don’t really understand the sport of boxing.
The best fights won’t happen if the fighters aren’t being paid their commercial worth!
Lesser names have to take lower cuts against big names in order to make their own names bigger if they win.
There is no comparison between Tyson Fury and Dillian Whyte in term of name recognition. None at all. If Whyte wants to be a somebody he has to take the fight for what he can get and make his money afterwards, when people have heard of him as the man who beat Tyson Fury.
The only way it makes sense for Whyte to hold out is if he knows he can't win and that this is going to be the biggest payday of his career. And if that is the case, he doen't really "deserve" more, does he.
How many world champions can you name that openly admitted to being willing to vacate their belts if they didn’t receive at least 80% of the purse split to engage in a mandated bout?
Even Billy Joe Saunders ended up receiving more than 20% of the purse pot for the Canelo fight.
And you’re telling me that a long-time multiple PPV headliner and mandated challenger, like Dillian Whyte, deserves 20% or less to face Tyson Fury?
Even the WBC’s own rules state their mandatories receive 30%, with interim champions paid 45% of the purse splits… and Whyte should be earning the latter, because he is the WBC’s interim champion.
It’s great seeing people demanding that Whyte takes a pay cut for the Fury bout, but have people like you ever stopped to consider the possibility that Dillian is being low-balled, because Top Rank would prefer their own fighter to face someone else?
And let’s not forget the fact that Tyson Fury has previously rejected the opportunity to engage in a WBC mandated fight against Dillian Whyte (during May 2019, with ‘The Gypsy King’ preferring to face Otto Wallin instead).
Even though I personally feel that Tyson Fury beats Dillian Whyte, for some reason Top Rank and Queensberry Promotions are doing their upmost to avoid pitting ‘The Gypsy King’ against ‘The Body Snatcher’.
What I am saying is that if Dillian Whyte wants to make real money, he has to fight Fury and beat him. That's a loss leader for him, IF he thinks he can win. It's the only way to get his name known. Not by people who like boxing, there are not enough of them. Fury knows that and has marketed himself well, which is why he can make nearly as money as a Youtuber out of boxing.
Of course Fury would much rather face someone worse than Whyte if he could make as much money from it,. The more dangerous Whyte is, the less money he has to take. Being good is not a selling point for Fury, and Fury is the one with the money.
He can pay Otto Wallin
more than Whyte simply because Wallin is no threat to his future earnings. It's simple economics.
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 04 Jan 2022, 18:33
by Fightnight Scores
It's so frustrating how we all bemoan the numerous alphabet bodies, their ridiculous and made up titles/belts and sometimes even more ridiculus rankings.
And yet, for promoters (mostly) & boxers these belts are the be-all-end-all. And for fans the obsession of having an "undisputed" champ.
Imagine if the WBC didn't exist....Whyte wouldn't even be in the picture for a shot at a singular title if just one actually existed.
But alas, here we are, and boxing fans become obsessed with what boxers are being paid but then also complain about buying ppvs
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 04 Jan 2022, 21:43
by Evander
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 05:26
Evander wrote: ↑02 Jan 2022, 02:19
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑01 Jan 2022, 23:16Can you please do me a favour before I respond to your question?
Just give me a quick reminder, by quoting my actual words, of me making that claim?
If you can’t, then will you at least be honest and concede that you’ve just employed a stawman debating tactic?
Any seven year old child is capable of lying, by pretending to successfully refute a fictional nonsense stance that no one has ever asserted!!!
Anyway, my response to one of the things you previously claimed is this… I believe you’re wrong!!!
Are you seriously “telling me” that Hughie Fury beats a prime version of Lennox Lewis? “I find that hard to believe!!!”
Yeah ok I get it, but you're still misleading people to believe Whyte would be a bigger PPV draw than Fury in the UK at this point.
I can’t believe you’re stupid enough to repeat the same lie!
I’ve never said that Dillian Whyte is a bigger PPV drawer than Tyson Fury!!! FFS!
However, there’s no denying ‘The Bodysnatcher’ is a commercially popular fighter that’s headlined more PPV events than Tyson Fury has (as per the following fights: Anthony Joshua, Joseph Parker, Dereck Chisora, Oscar Rivas and Alexander Povetkin [twice]).
Like I said before, either learn to read or stop lying!
This is the second time I’ve asked you to quote my words, but you’ve flatly-refused to do so!
Is it because you don’t have a valid counter-argument, so you’d prefer to pretend you’ve successfully refuted a claim that no human being has ever made?
I think we have all read it now.
Mate, I think I've adequately addressed it.
Yes I see your point, but I'm taking it one further let's go a few rounds.
You can tell me all day long about Dillian Whytes numbers in the UK and sure they may be just, but that's where it stops.
Moving a step ahead there's not a ghost in hells chance he would dwarf Fury in ppv numbers right now.
If you're goal is to somehow sell Dillian, great go for it and good luck, but at the end of the day it's going to be a monumental task convincing anyone in boxing Whyte is anything other that the B side here.
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 04 Jan 2022, 22:04
by Enlightened-One
Evander wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 21:43
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 05:26
Evander wrote: ↑02 Jan 2022, 02:19
Yeah ok I get it, but you're still misleading people to believe Whyte would be a bigger PPV draw than Fury in the UK at this point.
I can’t believe you’re stupid enough to repeat the same lie!
I’ve never said that Dillian Whyte is a bigger PPV drawer than Tyson Fury!!! FFS!
However, there’s no denying ‘The Bodysnatcher’ is a commercially popular fighter that’s headlined more PPV events than Tyson Fury has (as per the following fights: Anthony Joshua, Joseph Parker, Dereck Chisora, Oscar Rivas and Alexander Povetkin [twice]).
Like I said before, either learn to read or stop lying!
This is the second time I’ve asked you to quote my words, but you’ve flatly-refused to do so!
Is it because you don’t have a valid counter-argument, so you’d prefer to pretend you’ve successfully refuted a claim that no human being has ever made?
I think we have all read it now.
Mate, I think I've adequately addressed it.
Yes I see your point, but I'm taking it one further let's go a few rounds.
You can tell me all day long about Dillian Whytes numbers in the UK and sure they may be just, but that's where it stops.
Moving a step ahead there's not a ghost in hells chance he would dwarf Fury in ppv numbers right now.
If you're goal is to somehow sell Dillian, great go for it and good luck, but at the end of the day it's going to be a monumental task convincing anyone in boxing Whyte is anything other that the B side here.
You’re seriously claiming I’ve written something, but you flatly refuse to quote my words?
You’ve been gifted a marvellous opportunity to prove me wrong, to the point I’d deserve to be accused of being a liar, so why won’t you attempt to quote my words?
Is it because you either can’t read or you 100% know for certain I’ve never submitted a post that remotely resembles your accusation against me?
Come on kid! Do better!
This is the fourth time I’m going to challenge you to prove me a liar, by quoting my actual words!
You keep sidestepping this challenge, but yet you refuse to distance yourself from your utterly bizarre accusation.
What exactly do you expect from me? Do you want to defend a stance I’ve never held, never conveyed… and that’s only ever existed in your own mind?
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 04 Jan 2022, 22:48
by Evander
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 22:04
Evander wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 21:43
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Jan 2022, 05:26
I can’t believe you’re stupid enough to repeat the same lie!
I’ve never said that Dillian Whyte is a bigger PPV drawer than Tyson Fury!!! FFS!
However, there’s no denying ‘The Bodysnatcher’ is a commercially popular fighter that’s headlined more PPV events than Tyson Fury has (as per the following fights: Anthony Joshua, Joseph Parker, Dereck Chisora, Oscar Rivas and Alexander Povetkin [twice]).
Like I said before, either learn to read or stop lying!
This is the second time I’ve asked you to quote my words, but you’ve flatly-refused to do so!
Is it because you don’t have a valid counter-argument, so you’d prefer to pretend you’ve successfully refuted a claim that no human being has ever made?
I think we have all read it now.
Mate, I think I've adequately addressed it.
Yes I see your point, but I'm taking it one further let's go a few rounds.
You can tell me all day long about Dillian Whytes numbers in the UK and sure they may be just, but that's where it stops.
Moving a step ahead there's not a ghost in hells chance he would dwarf Fury in ppv numbers right now.
If you're goal is to somehow sell Dillian, great go for it and good luck, but at the end of the day it's going to be a monumental task convincing anyone in boxing Whyte is anything other that the B side here.
You’ve been gifted a marvellous opportunity to prove me wronge
There's not much more I can add to it at this point so I'll move on.
Thanks, you were very helpful
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 17 Jan 2022, 09:57
by Enlightened-One
Bob Arum has just said that Tyson Fury is likely to face either Robert Helenius or Manuel Charr if Dillian Whyte refuses to accept a 20% purse split.
Arum said that they're still trying to negotiate terms with Whyte, but if an agreement can't be made, then Dillian would be forced to accept 20% anyway as part of the purse bid process.
The Top Rank boss is hinting that Dillian Whyte would reject the Tyson Fury bout if he's compelled to only receive a 20% split, regardless of whoever wins the purse bid.
If the WBC are adamant about Whyte only receiving a 20% purse split, even though it contradicts their own rules, then I can’t see any reason why Top Rank would consider offering the Brit a bigger percentage.
Therefore, at this point in time, I really do feel there’s a strong possibility we’ll end up seeing Tyson Fury facing Robert Helenius or Manuel Charr soon, which will mark the final bout of The Gypsy King's contract with Top Rank.
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 17 Jan 2022, 10:52
by margaret thatcher
dear gawd, fury vs manual charr
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 17 Jan 2022, 11:13
by H8Usernames
Isn't it in the same sh1t category as Tf vs D Whyte?
Atleast Manuel Charr has experience fighting oversized opponents, recently having beat Ustinov.
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 17 Jan 2022, 11:16
by ironbeard
Bob Arum - boxing’s savior.
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 17 Jan 2022, 11:33
by margaret thatcher
H8Usernames wrote: ↑17 Jan 2022, 11:13
Isn't it in the same sh1t category as Tf vs D Whyte?
Atleast Manuel Charr has experience fighting oversized opponents, recently having beat Ustinov.
my man, dill pickle beat big mariusz wach 2 years more recently than manny beat uzzy
Re: Dillian Whyte is pricing himself out of a Tyson Fury title shot opportunity
Posted: 17 Jan 2022, 14:56
by gregregegg
I hear fres oquendo is free this summer if Fury needs a fight