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Posted: **31 Jan 2022, 22:05**

I’ve not once rooted for Canelo in any fight but he’s got my respect now as well. He’s crafting a resume that already is unmatched to the boxing heroes we all worshipped growing up. Sure there’s the asterisks that should rightfully follow him to his induction into the HOF which will surely be a first ballot situation once he’s hung up the mitts. Some stars are impervious to scandals in major sports and I think Canelo is definitely one of them UNLESS he ever gets pinched for PEDS again. I think that would be disastrous.

Posted: **01 Feb 2022, 01:58**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 04:05 So just where is he ranking at this point amongst Mexican fighters?

Canelo falls into A list so only a very few can belong in the conversation.
You talking about comparing him to guys like Chavez Sr [Yes I know they've competed at different weights] is that what your driving towards.
That kinda level ?

Posted: **01 Feb 2022, 02:24**

GGG 3 ?
Is this what we're leading up to ?

Posted: **02 Feb 2022, 14:19**

DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 01:54
gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 20:50
DrDuke wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 08:44

The second one was very close. A one of the hardest fights to score really.
It really wasn't. I've watched it twice and had GGG winning 116-112 and then 117-111 the 2nd time.
116-112 sounds quite wide for that fight, 117-111 is more likely to be a confusion with the first one.

No seeing it closer shows confusion in, you're giving a guy credit for coming forward and not landing punches as opposed to a guy moving away and consistently landing his jab. GGG outboxed him in the 2nd fight, and just flat out beat him up in the 1st fight.

I actually had the 2nd fight wider on points even though I felt like the 1st was more decisive. I think you have to be bending over backward to give Canelo either one of 'em.

Posted: **02 Feb 2022, 14:19**

Evander wrote: ↑01 Feb 2022, 01:58
gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 04:05 So just where is he ranking at this point amongst Mexican fighters?
Canelo falls into A list so only a very few can belong in the conversation.
You talking about comparing him to guys like Chavez Sr [Yes I know they've competed at different weights] is that what your driving towards.
That kinda level ?

Yeah I think that's pretty much where he's at to be honest. Very, very few can equal his achievements at this point. Especially among Mexican fighters.

Posted: **02 Feb 2022, 14:21**

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 14:25 Canelo’s a better technician than Oscar ever was

Stronger, tougher, more powerful. De La Hoya was probably a little faster, Canelo definitely has better stamina.

Posted: **02 Feb 2022, 14:42**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Feb 2022, 14:19
DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 01:54
gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 20:50

It really wasn't. I've watched it twice and had GGG winning 116-112 and then 117-111 the 2nd time.
116-112 sounds quite wide for that fight, 117-111 is more likely to be a confusion with the first one.
No seeing it closer shows confusion in, you're giving a guy credit for coming forward and not landing punches as opposed to a guy moving away and consistently landing his jab. GGG outboxed him in the 2nd fight, and just flat out beat him up in the 1st fight.

I actually had the 2nd fight wider on points even though I felt like the 1st was more decisive. I think you have to be bending over backward to give Canelo either one of 'em.

Golovkin clearly outjabbed Canelo, but the Redhead was more effective with power punches. The amount of effective work is about the same from the both sides, it wasn't like one guy comes forward, but scores little and gets outboxed.

Posted: **02 Feb 2022, 16:10**

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Feb 2022, 14:42
gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Feb 2022, 14:19
DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 01:54

116-112 sounds quite wide for that fight, 117-111 is more likely to be a confusion with the first one.
No seeing it closer shows confusion in, you're giving a guy credit for coming forward and not landing punches as opposed to a guy moving away and consistently landing his jab. GGG outboxed him in the 2nd fight, and just flat out beat him up in the 1st fight.

I actually had the 2nd fight wider on points even though I felt like the 1st was more decisive. I think you have to be bending over backward to give Canelo either one of 'em.
Golovkin clearly outjabbed Canelo, but the Redhead was more effective with power punches. The amount of effective work is about the same from the both sides, it wasn't like one guy comes forward, but scores little and gets outboxed.

Canelo did land better power punches I'll grant you that. He did that in the 1st fight too actually. At least the most eye catching power shots, but there were a lot less of 'em. I don't know what the punch stats were.

That's the one thing he showed very well in the 2 GGG fights. I don't recall GGG at any point in either fight really landing his Sunday punch on Canelo. Didn't seem that he even could.

But also the only way Canelo could stay that sharp with defense is he had to keep his activity to a minimum.

Posted: **03 Feb 2022, 03:22**

Evander wrote: ↑01 Feb 2022, 02:24 GGG 3 ?
Is this what we're leading up to ?

DrDuke wrote: ↑02 Feb 2022, 14:42 Golovkin clearly outjabbed Canelo, but the Redhead was more effective with power punches

That's how it starts.

Canelo should fight David Benavidez.

Posted: **03 Feb 2022, 05:48**

That's the hottest fight out there for Canelo.
He's not moving up to fight Beterbiev by the looks of it.
Too risky.
A vulnerable Cruiserweight then he may pounce, depends who it is.
Benavidez is perfect for many reasons.
Why not ?

Posted: **04 Feb 2022, 07:21**

Evander wrote: ↑03 Feb 2022, 05:48 He's not moving up to fight Beterbiev by the looks of it.
Too risky.

Canelo will inevitably compete on the network that offers him the biggest paydays.

Canelo has recently appeared on events managed by the PBC (via Showtime) and Matchroom (via DAZN), because they’ve been offering him the biggest payday opportunities.

Top Rank/ESPN haven’t provided any offers to Canelo yet, probably because they don’t have any big-name fighters in their stable competing at 160lbs or 168lbs.

Top Rank/ESPN do have a couple of decent 175lb-ers though, Artur Beterbiev and Joe Smith Jr.

And the winner of their title unification bout will almost certainly become one of the front-runners to eventually face Canelo.

The problem though, is that Matchroom/DAZN and PBC/Showtime desperately want to retain Canelo’s services, and are willing to keep offering him huge purses, which Top Rank/ESPN hasn't done yet.

And that’s the only reason why the likes of Jermall Charlo, David Benavidez, Dmitry Bivol and Gennadiy Golovkin are in front of Artur Beterbiev and Joe Smith Jr. in the Canelo mega-payday queue.

Therefore, if Bob Arum really wants Canelo to appear on the ESPN platform, then Top Rank need to outbid Showtime and DAZN.

It’s not complicated! Canelo isn’t “scared” of Artur Beterbiev.

The Mexican makes business decisions to optimise his paydays. And if Top Rank refuse to compete with the PBC and Matchroom, then we probably won’t see Canelo facing the eventual winner of Beterbiev-Smith Jr. anytime soon.

The situation might eventually change though, if the PBC and Matchroom run out of viable opponents for Canelo, which means they might be willing to work with Top Rank to allow the eventual victor of the Beterbiev-Smith Jr. fight to cross the proverbial street to appear on either the Showtime or the DAZN platforms for a one-off bout against the Mexican.

Posted: **05 Feb 2022, 23:18**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Feb 2022, 14:19
DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 01:54
gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 20:50

It really wasn't. I've watched it twice and had GGG winning 116-112 and then 117-111 the 2nd time.
116-112 sounds quite wide for that fight, 117-111 is more likely to be a confusion with the first one.
No seeing it closer shows confusion in, you're giving a guy credit for coming forward and not landing punches as opposed to a guy moving away and consistently landing his jab. GGG outboxed him in the 2nd fight, and just flat out beat him up in the 1st fight.

I actually had the 2nd fight wider on points even though I felt like the 1st was more decisive. I think you have to be bending over backward to give Canelo either one of 'em.

Could NOT agree more. Sorry just read this for first time so I’m late to dance. Just wanted to commend you on your view anyway.

Posted: **05 Feb 2022, 23:48**

for me and my family he is huge, my brothers big boxing fans aswell you would have to be from these shores to be big, we had erik morales marco antonio barrera before but saul canelo alvarez has eclisped that , he is problay my most favourite fighter ever

Posted: **06 Feb 2022, 03:42**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Feb 2022, 07:21
Evander wrote: ↑03 Feb 2022, 05:48 He's not moving up to fight Beterbiev by the looks of it.
Too risky.
Canelo will inevitably compete on the network that offers him the biggest paydays.

Canelo has recently appeared on events managed by the PBC (via Showtime) and Matchroom (via DAZN), because they’ve been offering him the biggest payday opportunities.

Top Rank/ESPN haven’t provided any offers to Canelo yet, probably because they don’t have any big-name fighters in their stable competing at 160lbs or 168lbs.

Top Rank/ESPN do have a couple of decent 175lb-ers though, Artur Beterbiev and Joe Smith Jr.

And the winner of their title unification bout will almost certainly become one of the front-runners to eventually face Canelo.

The problem though, is that Matchroom/DAZN and PBC/Showtime desperately want to retain Canelo’s services, and are willing to keep offering him huge purses, which Top Rank/ESPN hasn't done yet.

And that’s the only reason why the likes of Jermall Charlo, David Benavidez, Dmitry Bivol and Gennadiy Golovkin are in front of Artur Beterbiev and Joe Smith Jr. in the Canelo mega-payday queue.

Therefore, if Bob Arum really wants Canelo to appear on the ESPN platform, then Top Rank need to outbid Showtime and DAZN.

It’s not complicated! Canelo isn’t “scared” of Artur Beterbiev.

The Mexican makes business decisions to optimise his paydays. And if Top Rank refuse to compete with the PBC and Matchroom, then we probably won’t see Canelo facing the eventual winner of Beterbiev-Smith Jr. anytime soon.

The situation might eventually change though, if the PBC and Matchroom run out of viable opponents for Canelo, which means they might be willing to work with Top Rank to allow the eventual victor of the Beterbiev-Smith Jr. fight to cross the proverbial street to appear on either the Showtime or the DAZN platforms for a one-off bout against the Mexican.

That's very politician like of you EO thanks but it gets me no further.
Who is most likely to be Canelo's next opponent ?
Break it down to two boxers go on.

Posted: **07 Feb 2022, 04:13**

gilgamesh wrote: ↑02 Feb 2022, 14:19
DrDuke wrote: ↑31 Jan 2022, 01:54
gilgamesh wrote: ↑30 Jan 2022, 20:50

It really wasn't. I've watched it twice and had GGG winning 116-112 and then 117-111 the 2nd time.
116-112 sounds quite wide for that fight, 117-111 is more likely to be a confusion with the first one.
No seeing it closer shows confusion in, you're giving a guy credit for coming forward and not landing punches as opposed to a guy moving away and consistently landing his jab. GGG outboxed him in the 2nd fight, and just flat out beat him up in the 1st fight.

I actually had the 2nd fight wider on points even though I felt like the 1st was more decisive. I think you have to be bending over backward to give Canelo either one of 'em.

Very interesting - I'm a GGG fan and I scored the first fight 116-112 (but could see 115-113 or 117-111) and I scored the rematch a draw. I think the 12th round in the rematch is a pivotal round - I had GGG up 6-5 and gave Canelo the 12th, but it could really be an even round, as GGG dominated ghe first half, then Canelo dominated the second half and cut GGG.

Posted: **07 Feb 2022, 04:50**

Evander wrote: ↑06 Feb 2022, 03:42
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Feb 2022, 07:21
Evander wrote: ↑03 Feb 2022, 05:48 He's not moving up to fight Beterbiev by the looks of it.
Too risky.
Canelo will inevitably compete on the network that offers him the biggest paydays.

Canelo has recently appeared on events managed by the PBC (via Showtime) and Matchroom (via DAZN), because they’ve been offering him the biggest payday opportunities.

Top Rank/ESPN haven’t provided any offers to Canelo yet, probably because they don’t have any big-name fighters in their stable competing at 160lbs or 168lbs.

Top Rank/ESPN do have a couple of decent 175lb-ers though, Artur Beterbiev and Joe Smith Jr.

And the winner of their title unification bout will almost certainly become one of the front-runners to eventually face Canelo.

The problem though, is that Matchroom/DAZN and PBC/Showtime desperately want to retain Canelo’s services, and are willing to keep offering him huge purses, which Top Rank/ESPN hasn't done yet.

And that’s the only reason why the likes of Jermall Charlo, David Benavidez, Dmitry Bivol and Gennadiy Golovkin are in front of Artur Beterbiev and Joe Smith Jr. in the Canelo mega-payday queue.

Therefore, if Bob Arum really wants Canelo to appear on the ESPN platform, then Top Rank need to outbid Showtime and DAZN.

It’s not complicated! Canelo isn’t “scared” of Artur Beterbiev.

The Mexican makes business decisions to optimise his paydays. And if Top Rank refuse to compete with the PBC and Matchroom, then we probably won’t see Canelo facing the eventual winner of Beterbiev-Smith Jr. anytime soon.

The situation might eventually change though, if the PBC and Matchroom run out of viable opponents for Canelo, which means they might be willing to work with Top Rank to allow the eventual victor of the Beterbiev-Smith Jr. fight to cross the proverbial street to appear on either the Showtime or the DAZN platforms for a one-off bout against the Mexican.
That's very politician like of you EO thanks but it gets me no further.
Who is most likely to be Canelo's next opponent ?
Break it down to two boxers go on.

What I wrote was the truth. Top Rank haven’t attempted (yet) to engage in negotiations to pit Canelo against their own fighters.

You’re welcome to try to find some proof of Bob Arum making serious attempts to outbid the PBC and Matchroom, but there isn’t any.

In order to justify your allegations of Canelo “ducking” or “running scared” of Artur Beterbiev, you’d have to find some proof of the Mexican rejecting Top Rank’s offers.

And you don’t seriously believe the PBC or Matchroom would prioritise fights between Canelo and Top Rank’s guys, over bouts involving fighters from their own stable, do you?

Anyway, if Canelo accepts the terms of Matchroom’s two-fight deal, the Mexican will face Bivol.

If Canelo continues his business relationship with the PBC, he’ll face Jermall Charlo.

Eddy Reynoso has recently told the media he's favouring Jermall, because the “Charlo fight is more media-friendly.”

“Charlo is a fighter that sells more, a fighter that more people follow, and because of that, it’s a more attractive fight.”

Posted: **08 Feb 2022, 01:59**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Feb 2022, 04:50
Evander wrote: ↑06 Feb 2022, 03:42
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑04 Feb 2022, 07:21
Canelo will inevitably compete on the network that offers him the biggest paydays.

Canelo has recently appeared on events managed by the PBC (via Showtime) and Matchroom (via DAZN), because they’ve been offering him the biggest payday opportunities.

Top Rank/ESPN haven’t provided any offers to Canelo yet, probably because they don’t have any big-name fighters in their stable competing at 160lbs or 168lbs.

Top Rank/ESPN do have a couple of decent 175lb-ers though, Artur Beterbiev and Joe Smith Jr.

And the winner of their title unification bout will almost certainly become one of the front-runners to eventually face Canelo.

The problem though, is that Matchroom/DAZN and PBC/Showtime desperately want to retain Canelo’s services, and are willing to keep offering him huge purses, which Top Rank/ESPN hasn't done yet.

And that’s the only reason why the likes of Jermall Charlo, David Benavidez, Dmitry Bivol and Gennadiy Golovkin are in front of Artur Beterbiev and Joe Smith Jr. in the Canelo mega-payday queue.

Therefore, if Bob Arum really wants Canelo to appear on the ESPN platform, then Top Rank need to outbid Showtime and DAZN.

It’s not complicated! Canelo isn’t “scared” of Artur Beterbiev.

The Mexican makes business decisions to optimise his paydays. And if Top Rank refuse to compete with the PBC and Matchroom, then we probably won’t see Canelo facing the eventual winner of Beterbiev-Smith Jr. anytime soon.

The situation might eventually change though, if the PBC and Matchroom run out of viable opponents for Canelo, which means they might be willing to work with Top Rank to allow the eventual victor of the Beterbiev-Smith Jr. fight to cross the proverbial street to appear on either the Showtime or the DAZN platforms for a one-off bout against the Mexican.
That's very politician like of you EO thanks but it gets me no further.
Who is most likely to be Canelo's next opponent ?
Break it down to two boxers go on.
What I wrote was the truth. Top Rank haven’t attempted (yet) to engage in negotiations to pit Canelo against their own fighters.

You’re welcome to try to find some proof of Bob Arum making serious attempts to outbid the PBC and Matchroom, but there isn’t any.

In order to justify your allegations of Canelo “ducking” or “running scared” of Artur Beterbiev, you’d have to find some proof of the Mexican rejecting Top Rank’s offers.

And you don’t seriously believe the PBC or Matchroom would prioritise fights between Canelo and Top Rank’s guys, over bouts involving fighters from their own stable, do you?

Anyway, if Canelo accepts the terms of Matchroom’s two-fight deal, the Mexican will face Bivol.

If Canelo continues his business relationship with the PBC, he’ll face Jermall Charlo.

Eddy Reynoso has recently told the media he's favouring Jermall, because the “Charlo fight is more media-friendly.”

“Charlo is a fighter that sells more, a fighter that more people follow, and because of that, it’s a more attractive fight.”

So if it happens Jermall will have to move up to take the fight.
He's a 154 -160 guy, if it goes off at Super Middle he'll be physically weaker, can he take that kind of heat should the fight land there.

Posted: **08 Feb 2022, 03:31**

Hate the cherry picking he does , the weight manipulation , of Canelo weight ,, picking of the easiest opponents , Saunders ect ..

But i love his style , like watching him , and can admire his paitence , confidence to wait , and the deft little moves he does to set his opponent up , Canelo is a very good fighter , he has the art of body pressure down to a fine art , he just makes his opponent work without doing anything excellent fighter to watch ,,, but hate the matchmaking and refusing to fight the best unless he has an advantage .

Posted: **09 Feb 2022, 12:57**

His stock is very high. p4p #1 , biggest draw in the sport.

Champ at:
light middle , (subsequently lost to fm) ,
middle ,
super middle ,
light heavy (wbo)

The 2 ggg fights were very close and could have gone either way. the first one seemed to lean towards ggg. the second one, canelo forced the pace, ggg worked the jab, but still, could have gone either way on rounds.

At this point he'd have a good chance at taking over light heavy as well.

Posted: **09 Feb 2022, 13:24**

sure, canelo 'forced the pace' in the 2nd! 'could've gone either way'!

man, are you literally blind and just listen to commentary 'watching' fights? if not, get those oogly fuckers checked out, fanboi!

Posted: **10 Feb 2022, 01:58**

Bivol and then GGG that's what some are saying now.
Two fight deal for Canelo.
No Charlo in there yet.
Bivol fight would take place at 175 in May.
GGG at 168 in September.
Canelo on 85 large for a two fight deal.
I think his stock has risen.

Posted: **10 Feb 2022, 04:04**

Evander wrote: ↑10 Feb 2022, 01:58 Bivol and then GGG that's what some are saying now.
Two fight deal for Canelo.
No Charlo in there yet.
Bivol fight would take place at 175 in May.
GGG at 168 in September.
Canelo on 85 large for a two fight deal.
I think his stock has risen.

Apparently the PBC offer for the Charlo fight is a one-off deal worth $45m.

Eddy Reynoso favours Charlo, but Canelo will obviously choose the option that provides him the biggest payday(s).

And there's nothing to say Canelo won't eventually accept both deals, because if he chooses Matchroom, the Charlo fight will still be there when he's finished with Bivol and GGG... or even vice versa.

I think it’s safe to say that Canelo’s next three opponents (or at least those fighters at the front of the mega-payday queue) seem fairly obvious now.

It’s also interesting to see Top Rank actively refrain from attempting to compete with the PBC and Matchroom, by outbidding their offers to secure Canelo’s services for ESPN.

Canelo is a free agent. He can only work with the promoters that offer him fights.

Posted: **12 Feb 2022, 02:55**

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑10 Feb 2022, 04:04
Evander wrote: ↑10 Feb 2022, 01:58 Bivol and then GGG that's what some are saying now.
Two fight deal for Canelo.
No Charlo in there yet.
Bivol fight would take place at 175 in May.
GGG at 168 in September.
Canelo on 85 large for a two fight deal.
I think his stock has risen.
Apparently the PBC offer for the Charlo fight is a one-off deal worth $45m.

Eddy Reynoso favours Charlo, but Canelo will obviously choose the option that provides him the biggest payday(s).

And there's nothing to say Canelo won't eventually accept both deals, because if he chooses Matchroom, the Charlo fight will still be there when he's finished with Bivol and GGG... or even vice versa.

I think it’s safe to say that Canelo’s next three opponents (or at least those fighters at the front of the mega-payday queue) seem fairly obvious now.

It’s also interesting to see Top Rank actively refrain from attempting to compete with the PBC and Matchroom, by outbidding their offers to secure Canelo’s services for ESPN.

Canelo is a free agent. He can only work with the promoters that offer him fights.

When your the pound for pound number one boxer in the world you can do pretty much whatever you want to, everyone wants to fight you.
Bivol is an interesting fight I like the match up.

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