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Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 05:31

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 03:29

apollo creed wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 02:53 “[The fight with Andrade] can be [on] either [network], but the money needs to be superior, much more than to fight Canelo.”

Lewkowicz added, “It needs to be much more than that [$7 million].”

“Yes,” Lewkowicz said when asked to reiterate his request for a high purse. “Because it’s not an easy fight. He’s [Andrade] a great fighter. Whoever wants to put that fight [on], it’s most likely not [going to be] so attractive. That one needs to be for the money.”

“No, because this is what [Benavidez] deserves when he fights a guy who brings nothing to the table,” Lewkowicz said, referring to Andrade.

“People [don’t] pay to see [Andrade],” Lewkowicz added.




So basically it ain't gonna happen and btw who beat Benavidez to deserve a big payday? He's an unproven fighter at the top level with no big profile. Indeed he's young and that's a very big advantage.

Andrade should've fought Janibek. Also at least at 160 he had a title and some good names like Mung, GGG and Eubank Jr.

Atm his career looks like Sven Otke's career.

It’s weird that Benevidez essentially calls out Andrade and then his promoter comes out and says he doesn’t really have any interest in the fight and he’d need to be paid well in excess of $7m for it to happen. Not on the same page at all and it doesn’t reflect well on Lewkowicz that he talks like this and then matches Benevidez, at least recently, with poor opposition.

It’s not that weird.

Bouts involving fighters associated with rival networks/boxing content providers (i.e. crossing the street) are never made unless big money is involved, since there are twice as many business entities requiring a slice of the proverbial pie.

If Eddie Hearn delivered on one of his previous promises, by allowing the PBC to completely own the Andrade event, then the bout would probably be made rather quickly (with Benavidez’s purse demands being lowered significantly).

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 05:47Benevidez’s promoter is saying the fight only takes place if he gets more than he’d have gotten to fight Canelo. That means the fight isn’t happening as the fight doesn’t generate those kind of revenues.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 05:47Pointless of Benevidez calling him out.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 05:47I’m sure Eddie doesn’t make money with Andrade and I genuinely don’t think he’d stand in his way of a big fight on a rival channel.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 05:47Lewkowicz isn’t saying it have to be massive money to fight him on a rival show - he’s saying it’d take massive money to fight him on any show.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 08:04

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 05:47Benevidez’s promoter is saying the fight only takes place if he gets more than he’d have gotten to fight Canelo. That means the fight isn’t happening as the fight doesn’t generate those kind of revenues.

Agreed... kind of. But I'm not aware of Benavidez’s promoter claiming he'd need a bigger purse facing Andrade than the sum he'd likely receive for a Canelo bout.

I don't think that actually happened, did it?

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 05:47Pointless of Benevidez calling him out.

I saw a video of him being asked a question about Andrade and he answered it. He didn't really "call out" Andrade per se.

He didn't just blurt it out without being prompted. He responded to a question.

He just said he'd fight him if Andrade was interested.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 05:47I’m sure Eddie doesn’t make money with Andrade and I genuinely don’t think he’d stand in his way of a big fight on a rival channel.

When Bob Arum was complaining about constantly losing money promoting Terence Crawford's events, Eddie Hearn immediately sympathised, saying he's in the same boat with Andrade.

So it's clear Matchroom aren't doing well with Andrade.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 05:47Lewkowicz isn’t saying it have to be massive money to fight him on a rival show - he’s saying it’d take massive money to fight him on any show.

Maybe you're right. I don't know.

A lot of handlers don't readily admit the existence of the "street that cannot be crossed (without a big payday)", even though everyone else is aware of it.

It would be them advertising their inability to make certain fights happen, deterring future clients from working with them.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 08:21

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 08:04

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 05:47Benevidez’s promoter is saying the fight only takes place if he gets more than he’d have gotten to fight Canelo. That means the fight isn’t happening as the fight doesn’t generate those kind of revenues.

Agreed... kind of. But I'm not aware of Benavidez’s promoter claiming he'd need a bigger purse facing Andrade than the sum he'd likely receive for a Canelo bout.

I don't think that actually happened, did it?

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 05:47Pointless of Benevidez calling him out.

I saw a video of him being asked a question about Andrade and he answered it. He didn't really "call out" Andrade per se.

He didn't just blurt it out without being prompted. He responded to a question.

He just said he'd fight him if Andrade was interested.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 05:47I’m sure Eddie doesn’t make money with Andrade and I genuinely don’t think he’d stand in his way of a big fight on a rival channel.

When Bob Arum was complaining about constantly losing money promoting Terence Crawford's events, Eddie Hearn immediately sympathised, saying he's in the same boat with Andrade.

So it's clear Matchroom aren't doing well with Andrade.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 05:47Lewkowicz isn’t saying it have to be massive money to fight him on a rival show - he’s saying it’d take massive money to fight him on any show.

Maybe you're right. I don't know.

A lot of handlers don't readily admit the existence of the "street that cannot be crossed (without a big payday)", even though everyone else is aware of it.

It would be them advertising their inability to make certain fights happen, deterring future clients from working with them.

Re: you first point, the guy’s direct quote is ‘ the money needs to be superior, much more than to fight Canelo’.

That tells me they don’t want the fight and it’s not happening.

Re: your second point, Benevidez released a video saying he’s fighting Lemieux next and after that wants Andrade. No response to any questions (hopefully the link below works…).

apollo creed wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 02:53 “[The fight with Andrade] can be [on] either [network], but the money needs to be superior, much more than to fight Canelo.”

Lewkowicz added, “It needs to be much more than that [$7 million].”

“Yes,” Lewkowicz said when asked to reiterate his request for a high purse. “Because it’s not an easy fight. He’s [Andrade] a great fighter. Whoever wants to put that fight [on], it’s most likely not [going to be] so attractive. That one needs to be for the money.”

“No, because this is what [Benavidez] deserves when he fights a guy who brings nothing to the table,” Lewkowicz said, referring to Andrade.

“People [don’t] pay to see [Andrade],” Lewkowicz added.




So basically it ain't gonna happen and btw who beat Benavidez to deserve a big payday? He's an unproven fighter at the top level with no big profile. Indeed he's young and that's a very big advantage.

Andrade should've fought Janibek. Also at least at 160 he had a title and some good names like Mung, GGG and Eubank Jr.

Atm his career looks like Sven Otke's career.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57Andrade-Benavidez

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57Eddie’s trying to get Andrade a meaningful fight.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57[Hearn] mentioned Benavidez as it looked the WBC/WBO were arranging 2 semi-finals with the idea to match the winners to create a good mandatory for Canelo.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57Eddie said it was a good idea and that Benavidez would be a great fight (as he has about several other name fighters in the US).

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57Benavidez then came out and said about potentially fighting Andrade next which led to this (where he mentions though now he has to fight Lemieux next) point.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57Benavidez wasn’t forced to do that video.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57I wonder where he is contractually and whether his deal with his current promoter is soon finished hence him engaging Matchroom.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57Why would Benavidez need a bigger amount to fight Andrade on DAZN than fighting Canelo on Fox/Showtime?!

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57If he fought Canelo on Showtime then he’d probably get something like $7-8m at least for it so why does he need more than that to have his first meaningful fight in 2-3 years?!

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57Just because it’s on a different TV platform? It’s just pricing himself out of the fight.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 11:54

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57Andrade-Benavidez

For the record, I don’t necessarily disagree with your opinion on this matter.

And I do appreciate the fact the business and political aspect of boxing is boring and often ignored by most fans of the sport.

However, it exists, which means that greed or fear are rarely the reasons why certain fights aren’t being made.

Anyway, here is my response to every point you raised.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57Eddie’s trying to get Andrade a meaningful fight.

I'm sure you're right, Eddie Hearn is probably trying to orchestrate a meaningful bout for Boo Boo.

However, Demetrius Andrade vacating his world middleweight title, due to him ducking the dangerous Zhanibek Alimkhanuly, in preference to engage in a non-title bout against the UK domestic level Zach Parker doesn't look good, especially considering Boo Boo's proven track-record for rejecting meaningful fights.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57[Hearn] mentioned Benavidez as it looked the WBC/WBO were arranging 2 semi-finals with the idea to match the winners to create a good mandatory for Canelo.

That's an excellent idea. However, neither the WBO nor the WBC have officially agreed to this.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57Eddie said it was a good idea and that Benavidez would be a great fight (as he has about several other name fighters in the US).

I agree, it probably would be a great fight.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57Benavidez then came out and said about potentially fighting Andrade next which led to this (where he mentions though now he has to fight Lemieux next) point.

Yes.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57Benavidez wasn’t forced to do that video.

No one claimed he was.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57I wonder where he is contractually and whether his deal with his current promoter is soon finished hence him engaging Matchroom.

David Benavidez would probably be better off if he aligned himself with Matchroom.

But Al Haymon fighters rarely leave the PBC.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57Why would Benavidez need a bigger amount to fight Andrade on DAZN than fighting Canelo on Fox/Showtime?!

Promoters usually charge a 20% fee if their own fighter appears on a rival promoters' fight card.

Fighters don't pay that fee if they're competing on an event handled by their own promoter.

This is industry-standard... or at least it used to be.

I believe Bob Arum recently boasted about being paid lots of money due to him allowing one of his fighters (perhaps Lomachenko) to compete on a Matchroom fight-card.

Anyway, a fighter never receives 100% of their own purse. It is shared amongst stakeholders... and those stakeholders vary depending on whether a fighter competes on an in-house event or not.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57If he fought Canelo on Showtime then he’d probably get something like $7-8m at least for it so why does he need more than that to have his first meaningful fight in 2-3 years?!

My previous response might partially address your question.

I also think there's a political element to this, because rivals often don't like to work together, if their co-operation weakens themselves (or their business partners) in the long-run (i.e. whoever loses between Andrade and Benavidez is in a commercially worse position).

If a promoter stages in in-house event, where he controls both fighters, then he’s far less concerned about outcome potentially devaluing one of their own assets.

We also need to remember that there are only two viable opponents within the PBC stable for Canelo to face (i.e. Charlo and Benavidez).

And Showtime desperately want to retain Canelo’s services, by staging PPV’s involving PBC fighters.

If Benavidez loses to Andrade, then the PBC and Showtime loses one Canelo PPV event, resulting in Matchroom/DAZN potentially gaining one Canelo PPV event.

David Benavidez’s handlers will inevitably prioritise the needs of the PBC and Showtime above those of Andrade, Matchroom and DAZN, don’t you agree?

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 09:57Just because it’s on a different TV platform? It’s just pricing himself out of the fight.

David Benavidez's handlers are doing the "pricing". He's probably doing what he's told (or advised to do).

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 12:39I think we’re on the same page mostly.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 12:39It’s interesting that you think he’s ducking his mandatory. In reality I think it’s more that he’s looking for a big fight and that certainly isn’t one. Parker isn’t one either but if it leads to a contractual obligation for him to fight Benevidez next or being mandatory for Canelo then I get it.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 12:39I’m sure Benevidez handlers will prioritise PBC but I’m pretty confident that Matchroom wouldn’t stop an Andrade fight from happening over there.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 12:39My initial post on this was more with how disjointed it looks for Benevidez’s team.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 12:39From a quick check (not sure how accurate it is) his highest purse is $1m so far yet he’ll only fight Andrade (potentially even on a PBC show) according to his promoter of record for c$8m or more. They’re either deluded to think anyone would pay that or his promoter doesn’t want the fight.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 12:39Benevidez probably does want it and I think sometimes promoters/management teams forget that it should be them working for the boxer and not the other way around.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 13:23

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 12:39I think we’re on the same page mostly.

I agree.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 12:39It’s interesting that you think he’s ducking his mandatory. In reality I think it’s more that he’s looking for a big fight and that certainly isn’t one. Parker isn’t one either but if it leads to a contractual obligation for him to fight Benevidez next or being mandatory for Canelo then I get it.

There is no contractual obligation for David Benavidez to face the winner of Andrade-Parker.

So the only reason why I think Andrade won't face Zhanibek Alimkhanuly, is because the Kazakhstani boxer is considered to be a high-risk low-reward opponent.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 12:39I’m sure Benevidez handlers will prioritise PBC but I’m pretty confident that Matchroom wouldn’t stop an Andrade fight from happening over there.

The PBC's Tom Brown recently claimed that Eddie Hearn is trying to get the PBC to fund bouts involving Andrade against the likes of Benavidez and Charlo, because Matchroom want Boo Boo off their own platform.

I don't know if there's any truth to Tom Brown's claims, but Eddie Hearn has definitely admitted the fact that Matchroom never does well (financially) promoting Andrade's events.

But yes, I reckon Eddie Hearn would be pleased to allow Andrade to compete on a rivals platform, because he'll profit from it, instead of making losses.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 12:39My initial post on this was more with how disjointed it looks for Benevidez’s team.

I agree.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 12:39From a quick check (not sure how accurate it is) his highest purse is $1m so far yet he’ll only fight Andrade (potentially even on a PBC show) according to his promoter of record for c$8m or more. They’re either deluded to think anyone would pay that or his promoter doesn’t want the fight.

The PBC don't want to orchestrate bouts involving any of their fighters and Demetrius Andrade.

Demetrius Andrade previously rejected guaranteed opportunities to fight PBC fighters, such as Jermell Charlo, Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Matt Korobov and also the winner of the Lara-Hurd title unification.

Boo Boo’s conduct (exceptionally late withdrawal) from the Jermell Charlo bout was especially bad, considering Andrade's own team subsequently conceded (in their own legal paperwork against Roc Nation) they'd lied about the reasons for refusing to take the fight (i.e. they claimed they only received a low-ball $250K offer and then eventually admitted it was actually $550K, a sum that was $350K greater than his then career-best purse of $200K for the Brian Rose fight).

Demetrius Andrade also rejected an opportunity to sign a multi-fight contract with Showtime, with the first fight of that deal commencing from the Jermell Charlo bout.

And have you ever stopped to consider the reason why Eddie Hearn keeps blaming the PBC for Andrade's predicament, especially when you consider the amount of big-names fellow DAZN stablemates Demetrius should be facing?

And let’s not forget that Eddie Hearn has repeatedly stated that he has no intention to ever orchestrate a bout between Canelo and Andrade.

So why is Demetrius Andrade making the jump to 168lbs, when there aren't any guaranteed marquee bouts for him to compete in?

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 12:39Benevidez probably does want it and I think sometimes promoters/management teams forget that it should be them working for the boxer and not the other way around.

I agree.

Bandog wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 13:46 More lies and obsolete pointless banter. Everyone knows you bring up crap over and over just because you want to argue. Did you read Donald Trump's book perhaps? Repeat a lie 3 times and people will believe it. (Or the dumb ones will at least)

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 13:23

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 12:39I think we’re on the same page mostly.

I agree.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 12:39It’s interesting that you think he’s ducking his mandatory. In reality I think it’s more that he’s looking for a big fight and that certainly isn’t one. Parker isn’t one either but if it leads to a contractual obligation for him to fight Benevidez next or being mandatory for Canelo then I get it.

There is no contractual obligation for David Benavidez to face the winner of Andrade-Parker.

So the only reason why I think Andrade won't face Zhanibek Alimkhanuly, is because the Kazakhstani boxer is considered to be a high-risk low-reward opponent.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 12:39I’m sure Benevidez handlers will prioritise PBC but I’m pretty confident that Matchroom wouldn’t stop an Andrade fight from happening over there.

The PBC's Tom Brown recently claimed that Eddie Hearn is trying to get the PBC to fund bouts involving Andrade against the likes of Benavidez and Charlo, because Matchroom want Boo Boo off their own platform.

I don't know if there's any truth to Tom Brown's claims, but Eddie Hearn has definitely admitted the fact that Matchroom never does well (financially) promoting Andrade's events.

But yes, I reckon Eddie Hearn would be pleased to allow Andrade to compete on a rivals platform, because he'll profit from it, instead of making losses.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 12:39My initial post on this was more with how disjointed it looks for Benevidez’s team.

I agree.

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 12:39From a quick check (not sure how accurate it is) his highest purse is $1m so far yet he’ll only fight Andrade (potentially even on a PBC show) according to his promoter of record for c$8m or more. They’re either deluded to think anyone would pay that or his promoter doesn’t want the fight.

The PBC don't want to orchestrate bouts involving any of their fighters and Demetrius Andrade.

Demetrius Andrade previously rejected guaranteed opportunities to fight PBC fighters, such as Jermell Charlo, Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Matt Korobov and also the winner of the Lara-Hurd title unification.

Boo Boo’s conduct (exceptionally late withdrawal) from the Jermell Charlo bout was especially bad, considering Andrade's own team subsequently conceded (in their own legal paperwork against Roc Nation) they'd lied about the reasons for refusing to take the fight (i.e. they claimed they only received a low-ball $250K offer and then eventually admitted it was actually $550K, a sum that was $350K greater than his then career-best purse of $200K for the Brian Rose fight).

Demetrius Andrade also rejected an opportunity to sign a multi-fight contract with Showtime, with the first fight of that deal commencing from the Jermell Charlo bout.

And have you ever stopped to consider the reason why Eddie Hearn keeps blaming the PBC for Andrade's predicament, especially when you consider the amount of big-names fellow DAZN stablemates Demetrius should be facing?

And let’s not forget that Eddie Hearn has repeatedly stated that he has no intention to ever orchestrate a bout between Canelo and Andrade.

So why is Demetrius Andrade making the jump to 168lbs, when there aren't any guaranteed marquee bouts for him to compete in?

maverick23 wrote: ↑17 Feb 2022, 12:39Benevidez probably does want it and I think sometimes promoters/management teams forget that it should be them working for the boxer and not the other way around.

I agree.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 06:46A lot of your comments are about Andrade whilst the point of my original post was more about team Benevidez and how unprofessional it makes them all look.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 06:46Benevidez seemingly called Andrade out yet his promoter says it only happens (regardless of who the promoter is) if he’s paid more than he’d get for fighting Canelo.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 06:46Essentially he’s saying he’ll need at least 8 times more than his previous highest purse to fight him. That means to me the fight isn’t happening but Benevidez has some sense to know how stupid his promoter’s comments are.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 06:46I hope the WBC/WBO do the 2 semis and make it contractual. At least there’ll be a % split if Benevidez/Andrade win their initial fights so if one team is being unreasonable then they’ll be able to find out the value of the fight with the purse bid. If someone pulls out then we know who doesn’t want the fight.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 06:46I think it’d be great if the WBC/WBO work together on this as it’ll give a proper mandatory to Canelo and someone with a bit of hype behind them rather than the likes of Yildrim.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 10:19

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 06:46A lot of your comments are about Andrade whilst the point of my original post was more about team Benevidez and how unprofessional it makes them all look.

I directly answered each point you raised.

And I already conceded your point about the inconsistencies in stances from Benavidez and his promoter.

However, the topic of discussion is a fight between both Andrade and Benavidez. And I felt I couldn’t answer your questions without mentioning Demetrius’ name.

It seems you only want to focus on Benavidez’s promoter over-pricing themselves (which we mostly agree on), whilst refusing to discuss Andrade’s previous conduct which almost certainly burned bridges with the PBC.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 06:46Benevidez seemingly called Andrade out yet his promoter says it only happens (regardless of who the promoter is) if he’s paid more than he’d get for fighting Canelo.

I already answered this point.

Eddie Hearn suggested the Andrade-Benavidez bout and the PBC fighter is interested, but his handlers aren't.

It’s time to move on and discuss something else.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 06:46Essentially he’s saying he’ll need at least 8 times more than his previous highest purse to fight him. That means to me the fight isn’t happening but Benevidez has some sense to know how stupid his promoter’s comments are.

I already answered this point.

The PBC don’t want to do business with Demetrius Andrade.

Fighters aligned with DAZN don’t want to do business with Demetrius Andrade.

Eddie Hearn is losing money staging events headlined by Demetrius Andrade. And has even offered to allow the PBC to stage his fights against their fighters.

Demetrius Andrade’s viewing figures are poor.

Demetrius Andrade’s poor reputation and lack of profile is primarily due to him declining a multi-fight deal with Showtime, coupled with rejecting guaranteed opportunities to fight world-rated fighters, such as Jermell Charlo, Sergiy Derevyanchenko, Matt Korobov, Zhanibek Alimkhanuly and also the winner of the Lara-Hurd title unification.

David Benavidez’s resume is also very poor, but at least he’s (undeservedly) near the front of the mega-payday queue to face Canelo, whereas Eddie Hearn has already admitted he won’t even attempt to make a fight between the Mexican and Andrade.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 06:46I hope the WBC/WBO do the 2 semis and make it contractual. At least there’ll be a % split if Benevidez/Andrade win their initial fights so if one team is being unreasonable then they’ll be able to find out the value of the fight with the purse bid. If someone pulls out then we know who doesn’t want the fight.

Eddie Hearn is a spin doctor.

A couple of days after Alimkhanuly lobbied the WBO to mandate the Andrade bout, Eddie Hearn told the media he was lobbying the WBO and WBC to order a bout between Jermall Charlo and Boo Boo.

It was never going to happen and it didn’t, but from Matchroom’s perspective, they knew that fight fans would obviously prefer to excitedly discuss a potential bout between Andrade and Charlo, instead of discussing Demetrius ducking Alimkhanuly.

Hearn played the media in order to distract them from what was actually happening.

And Eddie Hearn is now trying to pretend there’s an imminent eliminator for both the WBO & WBC titles between Benavidez and Andrade, to conceal the fact that Demetrius is preferring to vacate his WBO world middleweight title, in order to avoid facing Alimkhanuly, so that he can engage in a non-title bout against the UK domestic level Zach Parker instead.

This was the second time Eddie Hearn played the media to distract them from Andrade’s ducking of Alimkhanuly in order to face another lacklustre opponent.

But you only want to focus on Benavidez’s promoters’ exorbitant purse demands for a fictional bout where negotiations haven’t even commenced, whilst ignoring Eddie Hearn’s dishonest claims about Andrade-Charlo and Andrade-Benavidez.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 06:46I think it’d be great if the WBC/WBO work together on this as it’ll give a proper mandatory to Canelo and someone with a bit of hype behind them rather than the likes of Yildrim.

The funny thing though, is that despite Eddie Hearn’s spin doctoring, the WBC and the WBO will both be criticised for not colluding with Matchroom’s dishonest diversionary tactics.

Because fight fans will criticise the WBC & the WBO if they don’t order the eliminator between Andrade and Benavidez, despite the fact Eddie Hearn made it all up, in order to distract people from Demetrius’ ducking of Alimkhanuly.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 10:39Again, you’ve gone slightly off topic from my comments.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 10:39Andrade may have burnt his bridges with the PBC. It doesn’t matter as it’s not Andrade calling out the Benevidez fight - it’s Benevidez hence my original post.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 10:39Perhaps PBC guys should pay proper consideration to what Benevidez (their client) wants.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 10:39No one has said there’s an imminent eliminator between Andrade and Benevidez. Not sure where you got that from.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 10:39The sequence of events was that Andrade/Parker was being discussed to determine the interim/mandatory for Canelo.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 10:39The WBC/WBO are apparently in conversations, according to Eddie (but I haven’t seen it being disputed by anyone else either), to match their interim/mandatories so Canelo only has to fight one guy to cover 2 mandatory spots.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 10:39Great idea in theory.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 10:39Benevidez then came out and said he could fight Andrade next.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 10:39Eddie said they’d welcome it.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 10:39Benevidez then backtracked and said he’d like to face Andrade if he beats Lemieux.

maverick23 wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 10:39What were Eddie’s dishonest claims about Andrade/Benevidez?

apollo creed wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 15:03 I think Hearn genuinely want to make Charlo vs Andrade and Bena vs Andrade. The problem to make these fights happen is not at Andrade or Hearn.

apollo creed wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 17:30 Why doesn't Charlo and Bena try to get Andrade? Hearn did his job but he can't force fighters to fight Andrade.

At the end of the day Andrade is making good money on DAZN. Andrade should fight Jacobs and Ryder.

Bandog wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 09:42

apollo creed wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 17:30 Why doesn't Charlo and Bena try to get Andrade? Hearn did his job but he can't force fighters to fight Andrade.

At the end of the day Andrade is making good money on DAZN. Andrade should fight Jacobs and Ryder.

I guess it's about money, when you want it to be. Even guys in house won't fight him.

Charlo rejected $7 million for a one-fight deal and a chance to win another belt.
Canelo rejected $45 million for a one-fight deal.
Golovkin rejected a $25 million offer to unify at 160 out of fear of ruining a third Canelo fight.
Billy Joe Saunders tested positive for PEDs and was not interested in rescheduling.
Jaime Munguia didn’t even want to start any negotiations or activate his mandatory status.
And now Benavidez is clearly pricing himself out.

Bandog wrote: ↑19 Feb 2022, 09:42

apollo creed wrote: ↑18 Feb 2022, 17:30 Why doesn't Charlo and Bena try to get Andrade? Hearn did his job but he can't force fighters to fight Andrade.

At the end of the day Andrade is making good money on DAZN. Andrade should fight Jacobs and Ryder.

I guess it's about money, when you want it to be. Even guys in house won't fight him.

Charlo rejected $7 million for a one-fight deal and a chance to win another belt.
Canelo rejected $45 million for a one-fight deal.
Golovkin rejected a $25 million offer to unify at 160 out of fear of ruining a third Canelo fight.
Billy Joe Saunders tested positive for PEDs and was not interested in rescheduling.
Jaime Munguia didn’t even want to start any negotiations or activate his mandatory status.
And now Benavidez is clearly pricing himself out.