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Re: Cuba lifts ban on professional boxing
Posted: 08 Apr 2022, 05:13
by JxhDel.
Enormous news for the sport, from what I have read they are going to promote the professional career of twenty (or more) professional newcomers (every source of money is needed due to heavy embargo); hoping they can also condone past defections.
Re: Cuba lifts ban on professional boxing
Posted: 08 Apr 2022, 07:04
by The Gratest
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Apr 2022, 17:06
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑07 Apr 2022, 16:16
Luis ortiz failed miserably by being thisclose to stopping wilder in a shootout
Luis Ortiz has not beaten a top-ten world-rated heavyweight since 2015.
The heavily-hyped weak resume-owning Cuban fighter, that tested positive for banned substances twice, is still with the same handlers (Jorge Carmenante and Jay Jimenez) that openly admitted to lying about Eddie Hearn’s “bṹllȿhȋț” “low ball offers”, “games”, “unfair treatment” and “gimmick’s” that led to Luis Ortiz rejecting the world-title opportunity against Anthony Joshua.
For the record, Luis Ortiz has rejected guaranteed opportunities to face Joshua, Whyte, Joyce, Wallin, Ustinov and Hrgovic.
So yes, I’d say that Luis Ortiz has “failed miserably” to live up to his allegedly “fearsome” ‘King Kong’ moniker.
And just a gentle reminder...
75% of the BoxRec forum expected the “fearsome” Luis ‘King King’ Ortiz to beat Deontay Wilder in their first bout, with 97% of those individuals expecting the Cuban to stop the American.
And during 2016, the majority of the forum considered the allegedly “fearsome” Luis ‘King King’ Ortiz as the “
best heavyweight in the world.”
For the record, I actively refrained from jumping on the “fearsome” Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz hype train and was ridiculed for doing so.
I did the same with Efe Ajagba… and was ridiculed for doing so.
And the same applies with Daniel Dubois… and once again, I was ridiculed for doing so.
Until all three men suddenly looked ordinary and lost.
And then I was ridiculed for gloating!
You should start a thread on it buddy. All the times you've been ridiculed as such. Would be great reading, I'm sure all would agree.
Re: Cuba lifts ban on professional boxing
Posted: 08 Apr 2022, 10:37
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑07 Apr 2022, 17:06
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑07 Apr 2022, 16:16
Luis ortiz failed miserably by being thisclose to stopping wilder in a shootout
Luis Ortiz has not beaten a top-ten world-rated heavyweight since 2015.
The heavily-hyped weak resume-owning Cuban fighter, that tested positive for banned substances twice, is still with the same handlers (Jorge Carmenante and Jay Jimenez) that openly admitted to lying about Eddie Hearn’s “bṹllȿhȋț” “low ball offers”, “games”, “unfair treatment” and “gimmick’s” that led to Luis Ortiz rejecting the world-title opportunity against Anthony Joshua.
For the record, Luis Ortiz has rejected guaranteed opportunities to face Joshua, Whyte, Joyce, Wallin, Ustinov and Hrgovic.
So yes, I’d say that Luis Ortiz has “failed miserably” to live up to his allegedly “fearsome” ‘King Kong’ moniker.
And just a gentle reminder...
75% of the BoxRec forum expected the “fearsome” Luis ‘King King’ Ortiz to beat Deontay Wilder in their first bout, with 97% of those individuals expecting the Cuban to stop the American.
And during 2016, the majority of the forum considered the allegedly “fearsome” Luis ‘King King’ Ortiz as the “
best heavyweight in the world.”
For the record, I actively refrained from jumping on the “fearsome” Luis ‘King Kong’ Ortiz hype train and was ridiculed for doing so.
I did the same with Efe Ajagba… and was ridiculed for doing so.
And the same applies with Daniel Dubois… and once again, I was ridiculed for doing so.
Until all three men suddenly looked ordinary and lost.
And then I was ridiculed for gloating!
"Failed miserably"
Re: Cuba lifts ban on professional boxing
Posted: 09 Apr 2022, 03:47
by Enlightened-One
In terms of the premature undeserved hype and praise that was bestowed upon Luis Ortiz for several years, with many people from this forum passionately claiming the Cuban was feared and being avoided by his peers, then yes, ‘King Kong’ really did “fail miserably” to justify his allegedly “fearsome” reputation.
Some people were claiming Luis Ortiz was better than the prime version of Larry Holmes and 75% of this forum favoured the Cuban to beat Deontay Wilder.
And like I stated before...
Luis Ortiz has not beaten a top-ten world-rated heavyweight since 2015.
The heavily-hyped weak resume-owning Cuban fighter, that tested positive for banned substances twice, is still with the same handlers (Jorge Carmenante and Jay Jimenez) that openly admitted to lying about Eddie Hearn’s “bṹllȿhȋț” “low ball offers”, “games”, “unfair treatment” and “gimmick’s” that led to Luis Ortiz rejecting the world-title opportunity against Anthony Joshua.
For the record, Luis Ortiz has rejected guaranteed opportunities to face Joshua, Whyte, Joyce, Wallin, Ustinov and Hrgovic.
Re: Cuba lifts ban on professional boxing
Posted: 09 Apr 2022, 12:09
by Jeff_lacy_ko
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Apr 2022, 03:47
In terms of the premature undeserved hype and praise that was bestowed upon Luis Ortiz for several years, with many people from this forum passionately claiming the Cuban was feared and being avoided by his peers, then yes, ‘King Kong’ really did “fail miserably” to justify his allegedly “fearsome” reputation.
Some people were claiming Luis Ortiz was better than the prime version of Larry Holmes and 75% of this forum favoured the Cuban to beat Deontay Wilder.
And like I stated before...
Luis Ortiz has not beaten a top-ten world-rated heavyweight since 2015.
The heavily-hyped weak resume-owning Cuban fighter, that tested positive for banned substances twice, is still with the same handlers (Jorge Carmenante and Jay Jimenez) that openly admitted to lying about Eddie Hearn’s “bṹllȿhȋț” “low ball offers”, “games”, “unfair treatment” and “gimmick’s” that led to Luis Ortiz rejecting the world-title opportunity against Anthony Joshua.
For the record, Luis Ortiz has rejected guaranteed opportunities to face Joshua, Whyte, Joyce, Wallin, Ustinov and Hrgovic.
2 title shots
Been world ranked top 10 for how many years now?
"Failed miserably"
Move those goalposts they dont move themselves
Re: Cuba lifts ban on professional boxing
Posted: 09 Apr 2022, 22:56
by oogiebe
Jeff_lacy_ko wrote: ↑09 Apr 2022, 12:09
Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Apr 2022, 03:47
In terms of the premature undeserved hype and praise that was bestowed upon Luis Ortiz for several years, with many people from this forum passionately claiming the Cuban was feared and being avoided by his peers, then yes, ‘King Kong’ really did “fail miserably” to justify his allegedly “fearsome” reputation.
Some people were claiming Luis Ortiz was better than the prime version of Larry Holmes and 75% of this forum favoured the Cuban to beat Deontay Wilder.
And like I stated before...
Luis Ortiz has not beaten a top-ten world-rated heavyweight since 2015.
The heavily-hyped weak resume-owning Cuban fighter, that tested positive for banned substances twice, is still with the same handlers (Jorge Carmenante and Jay Jimenez) that openly admitted to lying about Eddie Hearn’s “bṹllȿhȋț” “low ball offers”, “games”, “unfair treatment” and “gimmick’s” that led to Luis Ortiz rejecting the world-title opportunity against Anthony Joshua.
For the record, Luis Ortiz has rejected guaranteed opportunities to face Joshua, Whyte, Joyce, Wallin, Ustinov and Hrgovic.
2 title shots
Been world ranked top 10 for how many years now?
"Failed miserably"
Move those goalposts they dont move themselves
Re: Cuba lifts ban on professional boxing
Posted: 10 Apr 2022, 07:15
by joshj909
Underachieved? Yes, maybe. Failed miserably? No. Only one guy can be the best in the world and others can still be successful.
Re: Cuba lifts ban on professional boxing
Posted: 10 Apr 2022, 18:53
by punchoutsb
That's good to hear.
I'd be interested to see what sort of effect this has on the nation. Boxing can be a big money sport. Pro boxing in a supposed communist nation may lead to some interesting squabbles.
As far as the landscape, I'd imagine most of the numbers will be seen in the sub-LH classes.
Re: Cuba lifts ban on professional boxing
Posted: 20 Jun 2022, 09:34
by joshj909
Weird turn of events considering...
Re: Cuba lifts ban on professional boxing
Posted: 20 Jun 2022, 11:33
by Syntax Error
I wish they'd done this fifty years ago!
The boxing landscape will certainly change if more Cubans start entering the professional ranks.
Re: Cuba lifts ban on professional boxing
Posted: 20 Jun 2022, 11:45
by oogiebe
Syntax Error wrote: ↑20 Jun 2022, 11:33
I wish they'd done this fifty years ago!
The boxing landscape will certainly change if more Cubans start entering the professional ranks.
I dunno, they don't seem to have as much success in the pro ranks for those that have.
Re: Cuba lifts ban on professional boxing
Posted: 01 Jul 2022, 06:49
by Ruthless-RKO
Andy Cruz unsuccessful in attempt to defect from Cuba
Cruz no-showed a tournament earlier this month and was attempting to reach the United States
The latest update on Cuban superstar Andy Cruz’s attempt to defect to the United States isn’t a good one. Taylor O’Higgins confirmed yesterday evening that Cruz’s efforts were unsuccessful, and that he is likely “back in Holguín, Cuba.” The Cuban Boxing Federation
previously released a statement calling it a “serious indiscipline” and announcing that they were currently assessing a proper punishment.
It’s worth noting that this wasn’t necessarily Cruz’s one and only opportunity. Guillermo Rigondeaux and Erislandy Lara famously succeeded on their second attempts, and Cruz is still young enough to have a lengthy pro career even if he remains stuck in his home country for several more years. I’ll be rooting for him when and if his next chance comes, both for his well-being and my own selfish desire to see him showcase his generational talent on the world stage.
Re: Cuba lifts ban on professional boxing
Posted: 20 Jul 2022, 08:35
by Ruthless-RKO
Re: Cuba lifts ban on professional boxing
Posted: 11 Nov 2022, 13:48
by joshj909
Re: Cuba lifts ban on professional boxing
Posted: 07 May 2023, 04:46
by Ruthless-RKO
Re: Cuba lifts ban on professional boxing
Posted: 07 May 2023, 04:50
by joshj909
Definitely the hottest prospect in boxing right now and he hasn't even made his pro debut.
Re: Cuba lifts ban on professional boxing
Posted: 07 May 2023, 05:09
by gregregegg
Yosbany Veitia is probably pretty sad about pro boxing becoming legal... But its great for the rest of them.