Comparison of the Resumes of Canelo and Dmitry Bivol

[margaret thatcher]

This should be a lesson to EO that fights aren’t won on paper. It won’t be obviously, but at least he still has the mundanity of his ‘size matters’ diatribe

the fight was a draw obviously. so that means bivol failed to beat canelo, and so eo was kinda right all along wasnt he

[Counter-puncher]

This should be a lesson to EO that fights aren’t won on paper. It won’t be obviously, but at least he still has the mundanity of his ‘size matters’ diatribe

you mean, sometimes we have to rely on the 'proverbial eye test' ??

[Lackeos]

Mexicans usually turn pro at a younger age and have fewer amateur fights and more pro fights. Russians usually turn pro at a late age and have more amateur fights and less pro fights. Gilberto Ramirez is 43-0 and 30 years old, Artur Beterbiev is 17-0 and 37 years old. Thoughts? Look at the top p4p-rated Mexicans, 18 out of the top 25 have 30+ pro fights. Look at the top p4p-rated Russians, 15 out of 25 of them have less than 20 pro fights. This is intrinsic to the way that Mexicans would rather get a paycheck than have an amateur career, whereas Russians like to sandbag and have 26-year-old veterans competing against 17-year-old amateur teenagers and pile-up multiple gold medals for mother Russia. Cuba and Ukraine do the same thing. Whereas the Philippines is more like Mexico. You need to have the ability to mentally convert between a fighter having 10 amateur fights + 50 professional, a fighter with 90 amateur fights + 28 professional, and a fighter with 250 amateur fights + 16 professional. Anyone who's been around boxing for a while should be able to handle that.

[Enlightened-One]

This should be a lesson to EO that fights aren’t won on paper. It won’t be obviously, but at least he still has the mundanity of his ‘size matters’ diatribe

Nobody said that “fights are always won on paper” and that “the betting favourite always wins.”

But it is a statistical fact that fighters in their physical primes nearly always beat their opponents with vastly inferior resumes, but of course there are rare outliers to this general rule.

If I was wrong, then we’d regularly see journeymen upsetting prospects and contenders, but this obviously doesn’t happen, does it?

Boxing is known as the “theatre of the unexpected” for a reason, because upsets happen – “that's why they fight the fights!”

In terms of your “size matters diatribe” comment, the stats cannot be refuted. I don't even know why you bothered to mention it.

[Bandog]

EO doesn't learn lessons, only gives them.

[Perkin Warbeck]

It's clear that Canelo has faced better opposition, accomplished more, has looked more impressive and has also been far busier than Dmitry Bivol within the last three years.

Obviously, so why make a thread about it?

canelo has a better resume than bivol? now that's a controversial opinion right there, next thing we know ppl will be saying that water makes things wet

[gilgamesh]

EO doesn't learn lessons, only gives them.

And in the most boring, I'm really high on my own opinion kinda way.