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A fight like the one between Crawford and Spence would really be the best this year. Bud was born as a light weight who then moved up to welterweight, was the undisputed super light champion and is dominating as a WBO world welterweight champion, but that doesn't say it all about him, because what he demonstrated in the ring goes beyond the numbers of his palmares, in fact Crawford is an absolute champion for how he knows how to carry all the strokes of boxing in the best possible way, has a reach that favors him with almost all his opponents, has a boxing intelligence superior to all current boxers ( perhaps High Tech can compare to him in terms of technique and intelligence). He is one of the few boxers who has a lethal jab even at first sight, he reads the opponent's moves in a few fractions of a second, he senses when he has to finish the match like a killer (this talent has improved from welterweight and the results are clear and round) and the last match won by Porter clearly demonstrated this. Spence is a natural welterweight, a champion, also left-handed, he has all the blows of boxing, he is a wrecker who uses blows to the body as his main weapon, the only yardstick between him and Crawford is the encounter with Porter, even if the Porter Spence met perhaps deserved something more in the result. The prediction of a possible match is really difficult, similar to that between Charlo and Castano, I am a great admirer and fan of Bud Crawford and I believe in his boxing intelligence as well as in his ability to divert a match on the ground that is most congenial, so my more than a prediction is a hope that Bud, in case this meeting goes through, can prove his worth at 100%; in that case I am almost sure that he can win this very difficult match. I haven't talked about Spence's accidents, because from the results in the ring, it seems like we haven't really reduced his caliber as an absolute champion.
my hope is that the match is fair and clean, that the guides are up to speed and that no one gets really hurt, whatever the outcome of the fight.

Its a wonder that this fight is gonna take place. TBH I'd believe it when the first round starts!

This went off the boil in the last week.
Any date on this fight yet ?
October has been floated around a lot.

The longer they wait now, the less interested people will be, and the less each guy will make.

Yeh people are ready for this fight any time now.

Errol Spence Jr. was interviewed a couple of days ago and he explained the fact the Crawford fight is more likely now than it ever previously was, due to Bud leaving Top Rank.

But he was very non-committal about the potential date of the bout, leaving the interviewer to suggest we may have to wait until 2023.

That’s looking increasingly likely, because we’re almost in August and the boxing schedule is pretty full from September.

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Jul 2022, 03:54 Errol Spence Jr. was interviewed a couple of days ago and he explained the fact the Crawford fight is more likely now than it ever previously was, due to Bud leaving Top Rank.

But he was very non-committal about the potential date of the bout, leaving the interviewer to suggest we may have to wait until 2023.

That’s looking increasingly likely, because we’re almost in August and the boxing schedule is pretty full from September.

And how long have we heard that??? Spence and Crawford need to find their nut sacks, and fight, or gtfo of the way for someone else with balls. If the fight isn't made this fall, no one cares about either of you. Move up.

Spence saying the fight is close..

Should be this year.

Bandog wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 18:35

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Jul 2022, 03:54 Errol Spence Jr. was interviewed a couple of days ago and he explained the fact the Crawford fight is more likely now than it ever previously was, due to Bud leaving Top Rank.

But he was very non-committal about the potential date of the bout, leaving the interviewer to suggest we may have to wait until 2023.

That’s looking increasingly likely, because we’re almost in August and the boxing schedule is pretty full from September.

And how long have we heard that??? Spence and Crawford need to find their nut sacks, and fight, or gtfo of the way for someone else with balls. If the fight isn't made this fall, no one cares about either of you. Move up.

Its a fight more for the boxing fanatics. It ain't gonna do the big numbers like the Canelo fights, FMJ, or Pac fights. They'd need a date in December. They want to cash in big time but first they'd need to generate that kind of money.

Actually Canelo vs 40 y/o GGG III fight would do bigger numbers. AJ vs Usyk too, Tank vs R. Garcia.

neither of these guys has ever seemed very eager to fight the other

apollo creed wrote: ↑11 Jul 2022, 09:08

Bandog wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 18:35

Enlightened-One wrote: ↑09 Jul 2022, 03:54 Errol Spence Jr. was interviewed a couple of days ago and he explained the fact the Crawford fight is more likely now than it ever previously was, due to Bud leaving Top Rank.

But he was very non-committal about the potential date of the bout, leaving the interviewer to suggest we may have to wait until 2023.

That’s looking increasingly likely, because we’re almost in August and the boxing schedule is pretty full from September.

And how long have we heard that??? Spence and Crawford need to find their nut sacks, and fight, or gtfo of the way for someone else with balls. If the fight isn't made this fall, no one cares about either of you. Move up.

Its a fight more for the boxing fanatics. It ain't gonna do the big numbers like the Canelo fights, FMJ, or Pac fights. They'd need a date in December. They want to cash in big time but first they'd need to generate that kind of money.

Actually Canelo vs 40 y/o GGG III fight would do bigger numbers. AJ vs Usyk too, Tank vs R. Garcia.

One who wins gets closer to the bigstar status.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑11 Jul 2022, 09:30

apollo creed wrote: ↑11 Jul 2022, 09:08

Bandog wrote: ↑10 Jul 2022, 18:35

And how long have we heard that??? Spence and Crawford need to find their nut sacks, and fight, or gtfo of the way for someone else with balls. If the fight isn't made this fall, no one cares about either of you. Move up.

Its a fight more for the boxing fanatics. It ain't gonna do the big numbers like the Canelo fights, FMJ, or Pac fights. They'd need a date in December. They want to cash in big time but first they'd need to generate that kind of money.

Actually Canelo vs 40 y/o GGG III fight would do bigger numbers. AJ vs Usyk too, Tank vs R. Garcia.

One who wins gets closer to the bigstar status.

Closer but not there. Move at 165 and challenge Canelo. Spence has a big frame.

apollo creed wrote: ↑11 Jul 2022, 10:10

H8Usernames wrote: ↑11 Jul 2022, 09:30

apollo creed wrote: ↑11 Jul 2022, 09:08

Its a fight more for the boxing fanatics. It ain't gonna do the big numbers like the Canelo fights, FMJ, or Pac fights. They'd need a date in December. They want to cash in big time but first they'd need to generate that kind of money.

Actually Canelo vs 40 y/o GGG III fight would do bigger numbers. AJ vs Usyk too, Tank vs R. Garcia.

One who wins gets closer to the bigstar status.

Closer but not there. Move at 165 and challenge Canelo. Spence has a big frame.

Canelo may fight Spence, but never Crawford. Bad style for him, like Andrade.

Errol Spence Vs. Terence Crawford In November In Las Vegas Says Mike Coppinger

Unbeaten welterweight champions Errol Spence Jr and Terence Crawford are “close to being made” for the undisputed championship in November in Las Vegas, according to ESPN.

Mike Coppinger of ESPN is reporting that there are “no real obstacles” standing in the way of the long-awaited match between IBF/WBA/WBC 147-lb champion Spence (28-0, 22 KOs) and WBO champion Crawford (38-0, 29 KOs) from happening in November.

Arum on Spence-Crawford: I Don’t Know How It Gets Done Without Somebody Wanting To Subsidize That Fight

Bob Arum has a hard time seeing how an undisputed welterweight fight between Errol Spence Jr. and Terence Crawford can make money for everyone involved.

Arum, the head of Top Rank, was asked recently for his thoughts on what many observers believe to be the most competitive and most alluring fight in the sport today. A fight between WBA, WBC, and IBF champion Spence, of Desoto, Texas, and WBO titlist Crawford, of Omaha, Nebraska, has been percolating for a number of years but only recently gained steam. Both fighters have publicly declared their interest in making the fight and some outlets have reported that negotiations are underway.

Until last year, Arum was the promoter of Crawford, so he has long had to field questions about a Spence-Crawford fight and usually his response was to pour water over the fight, citing the economic infeasibility of the match-up. There was also the issue that Spence is backed by Premier Boxing Champions, the company led by Al Haymon, who, like Arum, seldom does business with other entities.

While the promotional problem may no longer be at play, Arum believes the economic one still persists. Arum’s contention is that a Spence-Crawford fight would not generate enough pay-per-view buys to cover both the high guarantees that would go to the fighters but also the profit expectations from the financial backers. Arum put the blame squarely on internet piracy.

He also suggested that unless the entities in charge of the fight—in this case PBC and presumably Showtime—are willing to lose money on the fight the options are dismal. The fighters, according to Arum, are not inclined to take a percentage of the net pay-per-view sales at the expense of their guaranteed purse. To that end, the only way to make the fight work from a financial standpoint, Arum said, is to involve a wealthy benefactor or entity who would be willing to underwrite the bout.

“Same problem,” Arum told spam.com. “It’s a big fight. It has a tremendous interest for people who follow boxing, but that doesn’t necessarily translate into revenue from pay-per-view, which is the biggest source, because of the piracy.”

“The fighters realize how big a fight it is and they want to be paid big amounts of money and the promoter, in this case PBC, has to look at it and say you know, hey, we’ll put it on, we’ll give you nice guarantees, but you have to be willing to live with the upside, which the fighters realize now probably will not develop. Again, unless somebody wants to subsidize that fight I don’t know how it gets done.”

Arum did offer a possible solution, and that is to lower the typical American price point of a pay-per-view package. Arum pointed to the example in the United Kingdom, where the price point is typically less than in the United States. Arum believes that dropping the price could dissuade potential thieves.

Arum, however, admitted that this option is nothing more than an “experiment” and that there is a risk one would make even less money on the pay-per-view set at a reduced price point.

“If you look at our friends in the UK and they still do robust numbers on the pay-per-view,” Arum said. “It’s a much smaller cost to get the pay-per-view in the UK, 20 pounds, or 25 pounds for a really big fight and people then don’t bother to steal the signal. They are willing to pay the freight. But if you start, as we do here, having $80 pay-per-views that’s a whole different exercise.

“The problem is it’s a theory. If we drop the cost of a pay-per-view $20, $25 … would people then forgo pirating the signal and pay that money to watch the fight legitimately? How do you then experiment? Because if you’re wrong—if you figured at the high price to get 250,000 buys at $80 and now if you go to $25 on a big fight, who's to say it’ll stay at 250,000? My inclination is you reduce the piracy in that way but again to put up hard-earned money on the hope [that more buys are generated by lowering the cost of the pay-per-view]—that’s not a good business decision.”

lol. please someone pay extra into a kitty so some entitled fighters can make as much as they think they deserve.

ps, fvck boxing

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Jul 2022, 09:16 Arum on Spence-Crawford: I Don’t Know How It Gets Done Without Somebody Wanting To Subsidize That Fight

Bob Arum has a hard time seeing how an undisputed welterweight fight between Errol Spence Jr. and Terence Crawford can make money for everyone involved.

Arum, the head of Top Rank, was asked recently for his thoughts on what many observers believe to be the most competitive and most alluring fight in the sport today. A fight between WBA, WBC, and IBF champion Spence, of Desoto, Texas, and WBO titlist Crawford, of Omaha, Nebraska, has been percolating for a number of years but only recently gained steam. Both fighters have publicly declared their interest in making the fight and some outlets have reported that negotiations are underway.

Until last year, Arum was the promoter of Crawford, so he has long had to field questions about a Spence-Crawford fight and usually his response was to pour water over the fight, citing the economic infeasibility of the match-up. There was also the issue that Spence is backed by Premier Boxing Champions, the company led by Al Haymon, who, like Arum, seldom does business with other entities.

While the promotional problem may no longer be at play, Arum believes the economic one still persists. Arum’s contention is that a Spence-Crawford fight would not generate enough pay-per-view buys to cover both the high guarantees that would go to the fighters but also the profit expectations from the financial backers. Arum put the blame squarely on internet piracy.

He also suggested that unless the entities in charge of the fight—in this case PBC and presumably Showtime—are willing to lose money on the fight the options are dismal. The fighters, according to Arum, are not inclined to take a percentage of the net pay-per-view sales at the expense of their guaranteed purse. To that end, the only way to make the fight work from a financial standpoint, Arum said, is to involve a wealthy benefactor or entity who would be willing to underwrite the bout.

“Same problem,” Arum told spam.com. “It’s a big fight. It has a tremendous interest for people who follow boxing, but that doesn’t necessarily translate into revenue from pay-per-view, which is the biggest source, because of the piracy.”

“The fighters realize how big a fight it is and they want to be paid big amounts of money and the promoter, in this case PBC, has to look at it and say you know, hey, we’ll put it on, we’ll give you nice guarantees, but you have to be willing to live with the upside, which the fighters realize now probably will not develop. Again, unless somebody wants to subsidize that fight I don’t know how it gets done.”

Arum did offer a possible solution, and that is to lower the typical American price point of a pay-per-view package. Arum pointed to the example in the United Kingdom, where the price point is typically less than in the United States. Arum believes that dropping the price could dissuade potential thieves.

Arum, however, admitted that this option is nothing more than an “experiment” and that there is a risk one would make even less money on the pay-per-view set at a reduced price point.

“If you look at our friends in the UK and they still do robust numbers on the pay-per-view,” Arum said. “It’s a much smaller cost to get the pay-per-view in the UK, 20 pounds, or 25 pounds for a really big fight and people then don’t bother to steal the signal. They are willing to pay the freight. But if you start, as we do here, having $80 pay-per-views that’s a whole different exercise.

“The problem is it’s a theory. If we drop the cost of a pay-per-view $20, $25 … would people then forgo pirating the signal and pay that money to watch the fight legitimately?

How do you then experiment?

Because if you’re wrong—if you figured at the high price to get 250,000 buys at $80 and now if you go to $25 on a big fight, who's to say it’ll stay at 250,000?

My inclination is you reduce the piracy in that way but again to put up hard-earned money on the hope [that more buys are generated by lowering the cost of the pay-per-view]—that’s not a good business decision.”

Granpa Bob leaves the reader with no doubt that the true relationship between organised boxing and its fans is nothing more than one of blatant cynical corporate greed.

The sport of boxing needs urgent reform or else it's likely to end up as nothing more than a crooked fishing pool for parasites and sharks.

If some fighters don't want to box then they should be immediately stripped of their titles.

The whole idea of a belt or title is to indicate the pinnacle of peak of the sport.

Champions must either fight or surrender and make way for others that will.

Anything else and the paying customers are being brazenly swindled.

Great fight, and would be for the 4 belt undisputed title now, with Crawford arguably p4p #1.
Top Rank obstacle now removed, perfect timing.

Good match up in styles, hard one to call.

It's almost an anticlimax

..

They need to hurry up with this.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑26 Jul 2022, 16:57 They need to hurry up with this.

The saddest thing I can think of is that one of them has slipped before they fight.
That doesn't bare thinking about.

Hopefully both guys will forget their big guarantees they want, and rely on PPV splits and gate for their purses, instead of guarantees plus the split. Just guessing, but that's probably the hold up.