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Bandog wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 19:33

adislav123 wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 18:00

Kronkpride wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 17:27

This high of a level opponent. He could face a much lesser guy in his comeback. The big money bouts for him are against UK guys and he could get them without taking any risk. Helenius is somewhat dangerous, the stronger man, and a pretty good comeback opponent.

Wilder has a fairly legit draw against the best man in the world. I scored it for Fury but he was mere seconds from losing and never getting the other 2 fights. Yes he was fresh off coming back from his cocaine slob days but he was still Tyson Fury. Nobody else in HW boxing today outside of Fury has a better result than Wilder on their resume. AJ has never come close to achieving anything in the vicinity of Wilder retaining his title vs Fury. Wilder to me is still the #2 man at HW.

if u think that first fight was a draw anywhere else than on the corrupt judge's combined scorecards... well think again.

fury got caught twice so he definitely lost those rounds. you can both give them to wilder 10 - 8.

still you don't come close to a draw as fury won all the other rounds. without any doubt.

Wilder deserved to win the fight by KO, regardless of being outboxed. No where in history has anything happened like it. If you have a comparison, I'm all ears.

...like, another fight where someone was knocked down but then beat the count, that's what you're looking for?

Kronkpride wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 17:27

pound per pound wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 14:35

Kronkpride wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 14:09 Helenius will win every round easily until he gets caught flush and then it is lights out.

I like the fight for both guys. Helenius needs to take this opportunity as another this big may never come and he can be KO'd by lesser guys too if he went that route. This is a very good comeback for Wilder against a guy with size and credible power. I am surprised a bit Wilder chose this high of a level of opponent. But I am very happy he did. I will watch this fight for sure. It is a very interesting matchup.

A high level opponent? Do you mean by being 38 and 6'6"+ then yes. Wilder doesn't fight high level opponents unless it for a title shot, then he losses.

Maybe years ago Helenius was a top ten opponent. I have little interest in this fight. A has been meets a never was, with the has been not being very good. Wilder has been belt milking the system in all his fights except for Fury for years.

This high of a level opponent. He could face a much lesser guy in his comeback. The big money bouts for him are against UK guys and he could get them without taking any risk. Helenius is somewhat dangerous, the stronger man, and a pretty good comeback opponent.

Wilder has a fairly legit draw against the best man in the world. I scored it for Fury but he was mere seconds from losing and never getting the other 2 fights. Yes he was fresh off coming back from his cocaine slob days but he was still Tyson Fury. Nobody else in HW boxing today outside of Fury has a better result than Wilder on their resume. AJ has never come close to achieving anything in the vicinity of Wilder retaining his title vs Fury. Wilder to me is still the #2 man at HW.

Wilder is at best a distant third behind Usyk and Fury. And more realistically the guy is holding onto 4th by a thread due to his innactivity.

For me the best wins in the division are:

1. Andy Ruiz stops Anthony Joshua. Undefeated 3 belt champion, clear number 1 in the division. Ruiz got up from the canvas and dropped the champion 4 times.

2. Fury outpoints Klitschko. The man to beat, but was clearly slipping based on Jennings fight. But the performance on the road from Fury was something special. The contest was an acquired taste.

3. Joshua stops Klitschko. One year older, but this guy was motivated and famous for being a gym rat, similar to Floyd. Incredible elite heavyweight contest.

4. Fury stop Wilder in the rematch - dominant win, that put a marker down on the division

5. Usyk outpoints Joshua - another dominant performance

6. Fury v Wilder 1 - wide points win for Fury who was a shell of himself, but he did get dropped twice.

Great matchmaking. Winnable for both. I'm surprised they gave this fight to Wilder. Helenuis has the power to stop anyone in the division. I wouldn't be surprised if Helenuis KOs him, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he gets stopped in the first either.

dom breazeale and bermane stiverne are prob still among the top 3 guys wilder has beat lol

pound per pound wrote: ↑15 Jul 2022, 09:09

Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑13 Jul 2022, 14:40 Helenius is easy to hit, this likely will be an easy fight for Wilder.

Frank Sanchez would have been a nightmare for Wilder.

Wilder is being very careful to pick on a 38 year old Helenius who lost to fringe contenders the and was years ago.

Why not fight a contender even on Frank Sanchez level? Wilder isn't going anywhere, The moment he fights a top ten raked ring magazine opponent his age ( 36 ) or younger will be his last.

Who the hell is Frank Sanchez!?

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑16 Jul 2022, 00:08 dom breazeale and bermane stiverne are prob still among the top 3 guys wilder has beat lol

And Helenius will be above them, if Wilder manages to beat him.

Imagine a 36-37 yr old guy, wanting to pick on a 38 yr old guy. Should be a law against that. (If you are stupid)

DrDuke wrote: ↑16 Jul 2022, 03:45

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑16 Jul 2022, 00:08 dom breazeale and bermane stiverne are prob still among the top 3 guys wilder has beat lol

And Helenius will be above them, if Wilder manages to beat him.

big IF that.

I think Helenius gives him a hell of a first round, great back and forth fighting "Ladies and gentlemen, Robert Helenius came to fight!"

2nd round is slower and mostly even too "Helenius is not backing down from Wilder!"

3rd round same, but the action picks up and Helenius gets in some good shots then BAM goodnight Robert.

"He went out on his shield!"

Helenius is a crazy risk zero reward fight for Wilder. Expect this one to get canceled.

Wilder didn't used to take these fights. Fellow probably suffered brain damage from the Fury fights.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑16 Jul 2022, 23:30 Helenius is a crazy risk zero reward fight for Wilder. Expect this one to get canceled.

Wilder didn't used to take these fights. Fellow probably suffered brain damage from the Fury fights.

What? Helenius has bad head movement, likes to hang out at a range perfect for wilder is 38, chins been cracked by far lesser opponents.... dream matchup for wilder.

gregregegg wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 06:47

H8Usernames wrote: ↑16 Jul 2022, 23:30 Helenius is a crazy risk zero reward fight for Wilder. Expect this one to get canceled.

Wilder didn't used to take these fights. Fellow probably suffered brain damage from the Fury fights.

What? Helenius has bad head movement, likes to hang out at a range perfect for wilder is 38, chins been cracked by far lesser opponents.... dream matchup for wilder.

I'm not always right that much is for sure. I just recall Wilder having problems with Artur Kovictim Szpilka and others and using his one and only chance to get out of a fight vs Alexander Povetkin so it really wouldn't surprise me if he loses to Helenius. Now that I have learned that he and Wilder are sparring partners it kind of does sound more like Wilder just knows how to pick apart his sparring partner and therefore has zero worries going into this fight.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑16 Jul 2022, 00:09
Who the hell is Frank Sanchez!?

Big Frank?
The Cuban Flash?
A decorated amateur now in the second tier of the embarrassingly weak HW division. He is on the cusp of prospect ->contender.
A well drilled medium hitting guy with the unfortunate typical Cuban habit of doing "just enough".

Insane that anyone thinks Helenius has a chance in this.

H8Usernames wrote: ↑16 Jul 2022, 23:30 Helenius is a crazy risk zero reward fight for Wilder.

He really isn't. Dillian Whyte hasn't got the greatest beard but Helenius never looked like he was going to get him out of there. Wilder hung with Fury for two of the three fights and almost knocked him out more than once.

Wilder is a massive dickhead and can't box, so he's easily written off. But the guy has the touch of death and he's hard as nails. Helenius is going to sleep. He's massively overrated on Boxrec. I don't get what you all see in him.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 16:04

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑16 Jul 2022, 00:09
Who the hell is Frank Sanchez!?

Big Frank?
The Cuban Flash?
A decorated amateur now in the second tier of the embarrassingly weak HW division. He is on the cusp of prospect ->contender.
A well drilled medium hitting guy with the unfortunate typical Cuban habit of doing "just enough".

Sanchez is the hipster's heavyweight. Him beating Ajagba on the Fury-Wilder undercard should have put him on everybody's radar.

Bard of Boxrec wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 16:54 Insane that anyone thinks Helenius has a chance in this.

Call me insane then.

insane anyone thinks helenius does not have a chance in this.

he is by far the better boxer and capable of hurting wilder himself.

of course if wilder's right hand lands it could be over rather quick...

IF.

put the pressure on wilder. commit to the jab and go from there. wilder's sloppy jab is nothing but a measuring stick for the right hand.

if wilder loads up or tries the spastic windmill of death, step right into him, never back up in a straight line backwards.

easier said than done, I know.

it's the heavyweights, everything is possible.

we just want fair judges, no goons and a ref not a rat.

no corrupt shit like a no count waive off stoppage like in both ortiz fights or setting up helenius for wilder's right hand after separating them by releasing wilder first.

a referee and judges that do their job. period.

good fight actually.
may the better man win.

Cyclops wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 17:32

KiwiRider wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 16:04

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑16 Jul 2022, 00:09
Who the hell is Frank Sanchez!?

Big Frank?
The Cuban Flash?
A decorated amateur now in the second tier of the embarrassingly weak HW division. He is on the cusp of prospect ->contender.
A well drilled medium hitting guy with the unfortunate typical Cuban habit of doing "just enough".

Sanchez is the hipster's heavyweight. Him beating Ajagba on the Fury-Wilder undercard should have put him on everybody's radar.

Oh, so he's a nobody with no fans, and he should jump Whyte, Wallin, and other contenders now. Good to know.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 19:33

Cyclops wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 17:32

KiwiRider wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 16:04
Big Frank?
The Cuban Flash?
A decorated amateur now in the second tier of the embarrassingly weak HW division. He is on the cusp of prospect ->contender.
A well drilled medium hitting guy with the unfortunate typical Cuban habit of doing "just enough".

Sanchez is the hipster's heavyweight. Him beating Ajagba on the Fury-Wilder undercard should have put him on everybody's radar.

Oh, so he's a nobody with no fans, and he should jump Whyte, Wallin, and other contenders now. Good to know.

Oi!
I'm a fan of The Flash
I'm also a realist. If Big Frank is the B side and he coasts to a points win rather than a KO, he probably isn't going to get the decision.
But he is one of the best boxers in the top twenty. The guy can move and hit going forwards or on the back foot. And he does have reasonable power.
He's a handful for anyone except naybe Uysk, and even then I pick that to be a very enjoyable watch.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 19:33

Cyclops wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 17:32

KiwiRider wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 16:04
Big Frank?
The Cuban Flash?
A decorated amateur now in the second tier of the embarrassingly weak HW division. He is on the cusp of prospect ->contender.
A well drilled medium hitting guy with the unfortunate typical Cuban habit of doing "just enough".

Sanchez is the hipster's heavyweight. Him beating Ajagba on the Fury-Wilder undercard should have put him on everybody's radar.

Oh, so he's a nobody with no fans, and he should jump Whyte, Wallin, and other contenders now. Good to know.

Casual.

Cyclops wrote: ↑18 Jul 2022, 12:57

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 19:33

Cyclops wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 17:32
Sanchez is the hipster's heavyweight. Him beating Ajagba on the Fury-Wilder undercard should have put him on everybody's radar.

Oh, so he's a nobody with no fans, and he should jump Whyte, Wallin, and other contenders now. Good to know.

Casual.

The point seems to have gone over everyone's head, but you can check the RbR for that fight and see me score it. I know who Frank Sanchez is. Another Cuban HW, but this time ridiculously boring, that everyone will say is being ducked. Dude has one solid win, not even great and now he deserves a Wilder fight over Helenius.

I like this fight a lot. Helenius is a game opponent and Wilder needs a win to save his career.

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑18 Jul 2022, 19:15

Cyclops wrote: ↑18 Jul 2022, 12:57

Mexi-Box wrote: ↑17 Jul 2022, 19:33

Oh, so he's a nobody with no fans, and he should jump Whyte, Wallin, and other contenders now. Good to know.

Casual.

The point seems to have gone over everyone's head, but you can check the RbR for that fight and see me score it. I know who Frank Sanchez is. Another Cuban HW, but this time ridiculously boring, that everyone will say is being ducked. Dude has one solid win, not even great and now he deserves a Wilder fight over Helenius.

You asked who he was. A few of us filled you in. And who said he should leapfrog any of the top 10 guys? Not me.

He was put, alongside Ajagba and Helenius and Jared Anderson, on the Fury-Wilder 3 undercard to show him off to the fans and build him as a name. Helenius got the most visually impressive win on that undercard, and conversely we know an awful lot about how limited he is, so of course he's going to the be the go-to guy.

Doesn't mean Sanchez shouldn't ever be talked about.

wilder hasnt won a fight in almost 3 years which was against the grandad ortiz .
shamefull attempt by the promoters to make a load of $$$$ and tout him as the next big thing - again !
His record is pathetic given how long he held a belt and avoided real fights in favour of easy tomato cans and is only trying to make a comeback because fury says he is retired .