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Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 12:32

gregregegg wrote: ↑28 Aug 2022, 20:19 Anderson dosent have to go crazy, just find some people that can give him rounds with some offencive threat coming back...

-couple of Hammer, Wach, Soko, Daweko types is a start. They dont get ya dick hard but they keep you honest to a degree.

-Rice, forrest, Balogun, Shaw, franklin, morre, coffie, chaney, in USA.

-any of australias top 8 heavies on the Haney vs Kambo card.

Just not euros with shiny records with zero name recognition... please.

I agree, I'd like to see him in with a decent journeyman like Forrest, Kabayel, Balogun or Rice. He won't improve much fighting stiffs like Teslenko and Rovcanin.

I think a step up to Gerald Washington or Jonathon Rice seems to be the right next level for Anderson. I would stay away from Forrest and Kaybayel for another year and 3 or 4 more fights. He is young but needs to step it up. Washington would be a good test at this point

tiny_acres wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 13:15

Perkin Warbeck wrote: ↑29 Aug 2022, 12:32

gregregegg wrote: ↑28 Aug 2022, 20:19 Anderson dosent have to go crazy, just find some people that can give him rounds with some offencive threat coming back...

-couple of Hammer, Wach, Soko, Daweko types is a start. They dont get ya dick hard but they keep you honest to a degree.

-Rice, forrest, Balogun, Shaw, franklin, morre, coffie, chaney, in USA.

-any of australias top 8 heavies on the Haney vs Kambo card.

Just not euros with shiny records with zero name recognition... please.

I agree, I'd like to see him in with a decent journeyman like Forrest, Kabayel, Balogun or Rice. He won't improve much fighting stiffs like Teslenko and Rovcanin.

I think a step up to Gerald Washington or Jonathon Rice seems to be the right next level for Anderson. I would stay away from Forrest and Kaybayel for another year and 3 or 4 more fights. He is young but needs to step it up. Washington would be a good test at this point

Washington and Rice would be very good fights for him. Also trying to find a weak link in the alphabet's top 10 isn't a bad idea either.

Good thread Tony
I'm going to agree with the consensus.
I've had Anderson at the top of my HW prospect list all this year. I rate him #1 prospect in the world, not just America.
I was excited to learn Torres was turning pro- I followed his fights through the Olympics and he is definitely a handful and can bang.
His size, or lack of height mainly, may hinder him, and we don't know what his engine is like past 6 rounds because his style is quite energetic.
I haven't seen enough of the third bloke to have any opinion.

oogiebe wrote: ↑28 Aug 2022, 13:30 Jared is the prospect here. The other two need plenty of work, and Milton doesn't have time.

I agree. Jared Anderson is the prospect to watch. And he wants to fight big names, which is refreshing, I think he's the best USA project @ heavyweight in years. But his amateur experience is lacking.

Torres is fun to watch, Imo he got a lucky draw in the Olympics which is the reason he won Silver. He's too short and not defensive to go far and his chin is not a rock, which his exciting swarming style demands. No illusions on him, he's not to to out jab anyone.

how did torrez get a lucky draw? to get to the final he had to face a cuban who'd beaten him before + won many international tournaments, and also the kazak silver medalist from the world championships (who was also the last guy to beat jalolov in the ams i believe)

out of 4 fights 3 of them were top guys

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 11:25 how did torrez get a lucky draw? to get to the final he had to face a cuban who'd beaten him before + won many international tournaments, and also the kazak silver medalist from the world championships (who was also the last guy to beat jalolov in the ams i believe)

He landed in the opposite bracket of Jalolov and didn't have to fight him until the end. The fought before, Jarolov knocked him out cold.

He also did not have to fight Fazier Clake who Jalolov defeated in the semis and IMO Clarke would have beaten Torres too. Hence he got lucky in the draw. As a pro Torres better milk that Silver.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_at ... eavyweight

looks like his draw was pretty respectable, a cuban + the world #2 before the finals. obviously half of the fighters will be on the other side of the draw than jalolov, it's not a particularly lucky thing.

torrez has also won several international tournaments and ran roughshod over the usa amateur scene, it's hardly as if he's a one hit wonder with that silver

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 12:08 looks like his draw was pretty respectable, a cuban + the world #2 before the finals. obviously half of the fighters will be on the other side of the draw than jalolov, it's not a particularly lucky thing.

torrez has also won several international tournaments and ran roughshod over the usa amateur scene, it's hardly as if he's a one hit wonder with that silver

This gives me a chance to promote a very low talent super heavyweight class of 2020 [. The Olympic class if 2016 is was much better.

1. Jalolov. A 6'7' giant who moves very well and boxes well and hits very well. A southpaw. The cream of his crop. Great strait left. He is 11-0, 11 ko's as a pro. Looks like one of the next professional champions.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bakhodir_Jalolov



2. Frazer Clake.- Super heavyweight who did well in the amateurs and world series of boxing beating name guys. Now 2-0 as a pro

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frazer_Clarke3.



3. Richard Torrez. He's the #3 man in the field and can medal in major amateur events, As a pro he is 2-0. A little short. Good pressure fighter.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Torrez


4. Kamshbek Kunkabayvev - A good solid amateur fighter. Good enough to medal in major events, He went pro as a cruiser weight and is 5-0.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kamshybek_Kunkabayev

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 11:25 how did torrez get a lucky draw? to get to the final he had to face a cuban who'd beaten him before + won many international tournaments, and also the kazak silver medalist from the world championships (who was also the last guy to beat jalolov in the ams i believe)

out of 4 fights 3 of them were top guys

Well put. Yes he was up against it alright.
While I believe he is an absolute handful for all but the very top guys, I don't feel he can have the same sort of run as, say, Mike Tyson.
Then again, fighting a small swarmer isn't what a lot of these super tall heavies are used to either.

Richard Torrez - the next Baby Joe Mesi?

Alguiffer wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 17:13 Richard Torrez - the next Baby Joe Mesi?

Torrez is Babic-delux.

gregregegg wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 17:22

Alguiffer wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 17:13 Richard Torrez - the next Baby Joe Mesi?

Torrez is Babic-delux.

Beautiful
Seriously though, I think he is going to be in some entertaining fights.

If Torrez and Anderson fought now, Torrez might catch Anderson with his mouth open, breaking his jaw, Anderson yelling as he punches. Lol
If it went on Anderson is clearly more athletic and better boxer and outboxes him easily. Didn't see enough about Torrez to fairly judge though.
I hope they don't bring them up too quick so they can learn more. Both promising.

pound per pound wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 11:21

oogiebe wrote: ↑28 Aug 2022, 13:30 Jared is the prospect here. The other two need plenty of work, and Milton doesn't have time.

I agree. Jared Anderson is the prospect to watch. And he wants to fight big names, which is refreshing, I think he's the best USA project @ heavyweight in years. But his amateur experience is lacking.

Torres is fun to watch, Imo he got a lucky draw in the Olympics which is the reason he won Silver. He's too short and not defensive to go far and his chin is not a rock, which his exciting swarming style demands. No illusions on him, he's not to to out jab anyone.

Anderson's am career didn't end with an olympic gold, but it's far from lacking.
I said before, Torres gives me a baby joe mesi vibe.

Oogiebe - sorry, I didn't see your earlier post on the Torres - Mesi connection - I should have read the the thread more closely before posting! I very much see the connection that you noted between the two.

oogiebe wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 23:02

pound per pound wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 11:21

oogiebe wrote: ↑28 Aug 2022, 13:30 Jared is the prospect here. The other two need plenty of work, and Milton doesn't have time.

I agree. Jared Anderson is the prospect to watch. And he wants to fight big names, which is refreshing, I think he's the best USA project @ heavyweight in years. But his amateur experience is lacking.

Torres is fun to watch, Imo he got a lucky draw in the Olympics which is the reason he won Silver. He's too short and not defensive to go far and his chin is not a rock, which his exciting swarming style demands. No illusions on him, he's not to to out jab anyone.

Anderson's am career didn't end with an olympic gold, but it's far from lacking.
I said before, Torres gives me a baby joe mesi vibe.

And Torrez has that amateur win over Anderson which may be a nice angle for a match later against the 2. Those angles seem to sell pretty good sometimes.
I'd love to see them a few years down the road in the ring together

Alguiffer wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 23:44 Oogiebe - sorry, I didn't see your earlier post on the Torres - Mesi connection - I should have read the the thread more closely before posting! I very much see the connection that you noted between the two.

Great minds!

tiny_acres wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 23:52

oogiebe wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 23:02

pound per pound wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 11:21

I agree. Jared Anderson is the prospect to watch. And he wants to fight big names, which is refreshing, I think he's the best USA project @ heavyweight in years. But his amateur experience is lacking.

Torres is fun to watch, Imo he got a lucky draw in the Olympics which is the reason he won Silver. He's too short and not defensive to go far and his chin is not a rock, which his exciting swarming style demands. No illusions on him, he's not to to out jab anyone.

Anderson's am career didn't end with an olympic gold, but it's far from lacking.
I said before, Torres gives me a baby joe mesi vibe.

And Torrez has that amateur win over Anderson which may be a nice angle for a match later against the 2. Those angles seem to sell pretty good sometimes.
I'd love to see them a few years down the road in the ring together

Those style differences would make for quite an interesting tussle.

better keep ricky away from rabbit punching kazaks then

oogiebe wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 23:02

pound per pound wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 11:21

oogiebe wrote: ↑28 Aug 2022, 13:30 Jared is the prospect here. The other two need plenty of work, and Milton doesn't have time.

I agree. Jared Anderson is the prospect to watch. And he wants to fight big names, which is refreshing, I think he's the best USA project @ heavyweight in years. But his amateur experience is lacking.

Torres is fun to watch, Imo he got a lucky draw in the Olympics which is the reason he won Silver. He's too short and not defensive to go far and his chin is not a rock, which his exciting swarming style demands. No illusions on him, he's not to to out jab anyone.

Anderson's am career didn't end with an olympic gold, but it's far from lacking.
I said before, Torres gives me a baby joe mesi vibe.

Anderson ended at 23-5, without winning any internatiaoanl event, even the regional ones. Like I said he didn't have a lot of fights, and didn't beat anyone who has turned pro, hence it was lacking. You don't have to win Olympic gold in to have good experience either.

I have access to a good list if heavyweight prospects under age 35 if you want to see it.

the boxrec amateur listings are mostly partial records, and almost entirely just list national and international level fights, as they are easier to find the results of for the most part

notice that his amateur record on boxrec doesnt even start until 2015, even though he's been boxing since 2008. he'll almost surely have had many more amateur fights than the 28 listed. if we take the boxrec record as complete, he was already boxing in the junior world championships with just a 2-1 amateur record, which is extremely unlikely

also, he turned pro at 19, which is very young for a heavy, and will have had less time to build his am credentials than the standard dude who turns pro at 23/24

already at 19 he'd won multiple usa national titles at senior level, as well as junior which is pretty good. boxed internationally in several countries too and that's where 4 of the 5 listed losses are from. it seems only torrez could beat him nationally at the end of his am career

pound per pound wrote: ↑31 Aug 2022, 07:49

oogiebe wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 23:02

pound per pound wrote: ↑30 Aug 2022, 11:21

I agree. Jared Anderson is the prospect to watch. And he wants to fight big names, which is refreshing, I think he's the best USA project @ heavyweight in years. But his amateur experience is lacking.

Torres is fun to watch, Imo he got a lucky draw in the Olympics which is the reason he won Silver. He's too short and not defensive to go far and his chin is not a rock, which his exciting swarming style demands. No illusions on him, he's not to to out jab anyone.

Anderson's am career didn't end with an olympic gold, but it's far from lacking.
I said before, Torres gives me a baby joe mesi vibe.

Anderson ended at 23-5, without winning any internatiaoanl event, even the regional ones. Like I said he didn't have a lot of fights, and didn't beat anyone who has turned pro, hence it was lacking. You don't have to win Olympic gold in to have good experience either.

I have access to a good list if heavyweight prospects under age 35 if you want to see it.

Why would I want that?

Anyway, he had decent am experience in the US. only a couple of international events, but so what?

USA Boxing National Tournaments

2018 Elite National Championships - 1st

2017 Elite National Championships - 1st

2017 Eastern Regional Championships - 1st

2017 National Golden Gloves - 1st

2016 Youth National Championships - 1st

2016 Youth Open - 1st

2015 Junior National Championships - 1st

2013 National Junior Olympics- 3rd

International Results

2017 Youth Bradenburg Cup - 1st

2015 Junior World Championships - 5th

Mind you he was a mere 14 year old in 2013. Not sure about the total am record as boxrec isn't very complete on that.

The gold in the golden gloves is plenty good enough on the Am resume for Anderson.
The gap between success as an amateur and as a professional is widest at HW.
I think Anderson will achieve more as a pro than Torrez who got an Olympic silver.

KiwiRider wrote: ↑01 Sep 2022, 04:00 The gold in the golden gloves is plenty good enough on the Am resume for Anderson.
The gap between success as an amateur and as a professional is widest at HW.
I think Anderson will achieve more as a pro than Torrez who got an Olympic silver.

Absolutely.

ricky t actually beat him in the 2017 golden gloves, but our boi jah won plenty as an am