Posted: 03 Mar 2005, 09:37
hoye looks good at 4/6, incidentally. some good round odds too.Unfortunately my blue square account is frozen.
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Posted: 03 Mar 2005, 14:54
Hoye had to have 3 attempts to make weight while Woods only needed the one. Hoye maybe not in the best shape.
Posted: 03 Mar 2005, 15:38
I was convinced Hoye would do a job in Woods but the weigh-in shenanigans mean that I may now think twice about doing my nuts on him at 5/6. Cotto showed last week (alomg with plenty of thers down the years) that struggles to make weight count for plenty.
Posted: 03 Mar 2005, 16:32
Here is something very appetizing that I ran accross at a sportsbook.
I grabbed Woods +10 w/ their 'Point Spread' option Betting. If it goes 12, the cards should be fairly close in my opinion. The knockdowns arehuge though as they count as 10-8RDs adding 3 pts on, 1 pt extra on each card
I grabbed Woods +10 w/ their 'Point Spread' option Betting. If it goes 12, the cards should be fairly close in my opinion. The knockdowns arehuge though as they count as 10-8RDs adding 3 pts on, 1 pt extra on each card
Too often a fighter is favored by such a big moneyline that players often don't want to lay the chalk. When looking at the NFL, if Texas is playing the N.E. Patriots, one would be hard pressed to take the underdog Texans with the moneyline. However a +20 with Texas would be more appetizing. You can lose the game , but cover the Point Spread. Same holds true here. You can bet a live underdog, lose the fight, and still cover the point spread. Takes away from the 'bad beat' hometown decsions that have plagued boxing in the past. In same respect, you can lay the point spread on the favorite and avoid those high moneylines.
Here's how it works.
*The point spread is determined by the difference in the combined total of all 3 judges scorecards for each fighter. Bouts must complete the total scheduled rounds listed.
Example: The point Spread on Fighter A is -18. Fighter A wins bout by scores of 120-108,
116-114,117-111. Fighter A total 353 minus Fighter B total 333. The score would be 20. Therefore
Fighter A -18 would win the wager.
*A bout that does not complete the listed scheduled rounds is declared 'No Action' and wagers are refunded.
*If point spread and difference tie, wagers are declared a 'Push' and wagers are refunded.
Here's one of this weeks bouts being offered. Check the http://www.BetOddessa.com for the other 'Point Spread' Bouts listed this week.
5th March, 2005-Mandalay Bay, Las Vegas, Nevada, USA 11pm est
Jose Luis Castillo -17
Julio Diaz +17
Posted: 03 Mar 2005, 18:14
clinton is shit i dont know how he keeps getting elimination bouts for the top titles 
hoye inside the distance or it will be a home town draw 
hoye inside the distance or it will be a home town draw Posted: 04 Mar 2005, 07:32
Woods will be winner via UD if he managed to stay unhurt in first four rounds. I am also thinking that Hoye's KO ability are overrated.
I am going to bet on Woods by UD at 4.95 on 5dimes.
I am going to bet on Woods by UD at 4.95 on 5dimes.
Posted: 04 Mar 2005, 07:35
It's like you've met me before, uncanny!TheGoods wrote:Not a bad shout! That's what I like about you James, it's very much 'up there for thinking, down there for dancing'.
Hoye in 5.
Posted: 04 Mar 2005, 07:46
hoye was less than a Lb over, nothing much to worry about i would say...Lefthookhappy19 wrote:Hoye had to have 3 attempts to make weight while Woods only needed the one. Hoye maybe not in the best shape.
probably just due to the cold weather compared to home
Posted: 04 Mar 2005, 08:46
I feel its unfair to say Clinton is shit, he never ducked people, he's been in with the best (Jones & Johnson) and is willing to challenge a fairly dangerous big punching american (Hoye), i think Clinton deserves respect aint been many British guys had the balls to face the best, i think he deserves a win tonight, come on Clinton boy i'm rooting for ya.
Posted: 04 Mar 2005, 08:55
Clinton aint shit and anyone who says so is has not got a grip on reality....Foggy wrote:I feel its unfair to say Clinton is shit, he never ducked people, he's been in with the best (Jones & Johnson) and is willing to challenge a fairly dangerous big punching american (Hoye), i think Clinton deserves respect aint been many British guys had the balls to face the best, i think he deserves a win tonight, come on Clinton boy i'm rooting for ya.
sure he is no Ali but that doesnt mean he isnt a damn good fighter...
He fought the best in the division and cleaned up in Europe (bar Darius)
Posted: 04 Mar 2005, 09:01
agreed.
Can't believe anyone would slate Clinton, a good honest pro,no, he's better than that, very talented bloke who's done more in his career than 90% of other fighters. Lets get behind him, one of our boys in genuine world title fight against a Yank.
COME ON CLINTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can't believe anyone would slate Clinton, a good honest pro,no, he's better than that, very talented bloke who's done more in his career than 90% of other fighters. Lets get behind him, one of our boys in genuine world title fight against a Yank.
COME ON CLINTON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted: 04 Mar 2005, 10:09
Why people keep coming up with the bizzarre idea that Woods is something of a fall guy and a crap fighter is beyond me.
True he is no Roy Jones (the prime one anyway) but he is legit top 10, perhaps even top 5. He has won legit titles in the British, Commonwealth and European. He has follwed the tougher, traditional route for a British fighter and he definately deserves a reign as one of the major alphebet champs.
If he wanted to, he could have one of the longest reigning WBU champs of all time, but he knows it's beneath him.
Clinton is also one of the nicest guys in the sport.
Come on Clinton!
True he is no Roy Jones (the prime one anyway) but he is legit top 10, perhaps even top 5. He has won legit titles in the British, Commonwealth and European. He has follwed the tougher, traditional route for a British fighter and he definately deserves a reign as one of the major alphebet champs.
If he wanted to, he could have one of the longest reigning WBU champs of all time, but he knows it's beneath him.
Clinton is also one of the nicest guys in the sport.
Come on Clinton!
Posted: 04 Mar 2005, 10:09
Agree with all of that, off to the station now in time for the delights of sunny Rotherham.
I think he'll get beat but I certainly wouldn't disrespect the bloke - went in with a prime Roy Jones and did his best, what more can you say
I think he'll get beat but I certainly wouldn't disrespect the bloke - went in with a prime Roy Jones and did his best, what more can you say
Posted: 04 Mar 2005, 10:13
Woods on points. The reason he gets shots is that he has excellent manager's/promoter's.beduff wrote:clinton is shit i dont know how he keeps getting elimination bouts for the top titles
Posted: 04 Mar 2005, 10:42
not shit, but average. this fight is a farce IMO. every Universum or Sauerland light heavy and super middle would easily win this fight. i watched both Johnson-Woods fights. they were horrible. I just took a look at the boxrec top 30 in light heavy and could find at least 20 guys who are better than Woods. the one who wins will hold this title once.beduff wrote:clinton is shit i dont know how he keeps getting elimination bouts for the top titles
Posted: 04 Mar 2005, 10:48
Blah Blah Blah Blah.....Sauerland......Blagh Blah Blah, Erdei's the best, waffle waffle waffle, Samil Sam....Blah Blah...
God for fucks sake Bubi give it a rest, I'm losing the will to live, could you perhaps talk about boxers not from your fornicating home country for a change.
God for fucks sake Bubi give it a rest, I'm losing the will to live, could you perhaps talk about boxers not from your fornicating home country for a change.
Posted: 04 Mar 2005, 10:50
20-30 out of the top 30 in light heavy and super middle would beat Woods no matter from what country they are.
Posted: 04 Mar 2005, 10:52
What utter bollocks.
you think 20-30 would lose tight decisions to Johnson.
Utter utter cobblers.
you think 20-30 would lose tight decisions to Johnson.
Utter utter cobblers.
Posted: 04 Mar 2005, 10:57
Johnson
Tarver
Erdei
Briggs
RJJ
Gonzalez
Ulrich
Drews
Tiozzo
Aurino
DM
Garay
Branco
Sahnoune
Adamek
Lucas
Kurzawa
Calzaghe
Lacy
Beyer
Green
Veit
Kessler
Tsypko
Markussen
Stieglitz
Siaca
Malik D.
I didn´t control if he had beaten one of them but i doubt
Tarver
Erdei
Briggs
RJJ
Gonzalez
Ulrich
Drews
Tiozzo
Aurino
DM
Garay
Branco
Sahnoune
Adamek
Lucas
Kurzawa
Calzaghe
Lacy
Beyer
Green
Veit
Kessler
Tsypko
Markussen
Stieglitz
Siaca
Malik D.
I didn´t control if he had beaten one of them but i doubt
Posted: 04 Mar 2005, 11:13
Hoye can be confident, why not. 50/50. Woods has the home advantage when it comes to points.
Posted: 05 Mar 2005, 04:55
tsk, tsk. An American in Sheffield is always right !!! cherrioSpreadking wrote:I am the only one taking Clinton Woods.
and new champion, from Sheffield.............CLINTON WOODSSSSSSSSSSSSS
"Sheffield, get ready to support your man." like they are his jock strap or something.
is this in Sheffield ? and where is Prince Naseem ! doesn't he live there, or does he have a terrorist training camp on the outskirts of town.
Posted: 05 Mar 2005, 08:33
half your list are fornicating super middleweights, you're talking shit mate.BubiScholz wrote:Johnson
Tarver
Erdei
Briggs
RJJ
Gonzalez
Ulrich
Drews
Tiozzo
Aurino
DM
Garay
Branco
Sahnoune
Adamek
Lucas
Kurzawa
Calzaghe
Lacy
Beyer
Green
Veit
Kessler
Tsypko
Markussen
Stieglitz
Siaca
Malik D.
I didn´t control if he had beaten one of them but i doubt
Posted: 07 Mar 2005, 05:56
they would all beat Woods.
Posted: 07 Mar 2005, 06:21
You're out of your gourd mate, some of them haven't even fought a world class fighter in their own weight division, yet somehow they are going to beat a guy who ran Johnson close. You're absolutely delusional mate.
Posted: 07 Mar 2005, 06:38
Woods in the 5th by TKO.