BoxRec

gregregegg wrote: ↑24 Dec 2022, 22:17 If Boxing were ran like the UFC we we would of seen spence vs craw, Loma vs tank and AJ vs Wilder 3 fornicating years ago....

In that little side world boxing would be fuccking epic. I still love boxing, but its hard to be a fan when you might get 0 truely special fights in a year.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑06 Jan 2023, 13:34 One major contempt that I have with boxing was the fact that it was over regulated to the point of effectively killing off the sport on the local and state levels here in America making it virtually impossible for small time promoters to continue putting on shows and bringing new people into the sport.

Because of people like John McCain and Harry Reid they only empowered the elite promoters in the business by cutting out everyone else. I think a major reason why boxing has really fallen out from the general public's interest is because it's no longer available like it used to be in the early 2000s and prior.

Most of the old boxing gyms have now become dojos for mixed martial arts. Most of the professional boxing shows at the local level have now become amateur MMA shows. And it's mainly due to the fact that the sport was over regulated to the point of no longer being a part of the social fabric. When I was a teenager and young adult there was pro boxing cards and amateur boxing cards and toughman contests staged all the time.

snake33 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 01:04 Two guys in the missionary position. Hitting somebody when their down.
MMA don't work for me. On the other hand I like Kick boxing.
That said boxing is an overly diluted mess.
There should be one world title per division period.
Five judges to avoid BS. Instant replay for cuts and fouls.
And sane division rankings. If you lost several fights recently you shouldn't be in the top ten.
And the best should be required to fight the best.
A solid structure that forces promoters to work with each other
and not screw the boxers the "represent".

RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 04:55

snake33 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 01:04 Two guys in the missionary position. Hitting somebody when their down.
MMA don't work for me. On the other hand I like Kick boxing.
That said boxing is an overly diluted mess.
There should be one world title per division period.
Five judges to avoid BS. Instant replay for cuts and fouls.
And sane division rankings. If you lost several fights recently you shouldn't be in the top ten.
And the best should be required to fight the best.
A solid structure that forces promoters to work with each other
and not screw the boxers the "represent".

The promoters will not want to pay for two more judges. The three judges just have to be competent and unbiased. The problem is the boxing sanctioning bodies continue to use incompetent/biased judges and rarely punish them. UFC President Dana White openly criticizes judges and referees who do a poor job and sometimes will refuse to use them ever again for a UFC event. A lot of boxing is not televised, so I don't think instant replay is feasible. The UFC controls who they rank and who fights for their titles. MMA rankings independent of the UFC include other companies such as Professional Fighters League (PFL), Bellator, and ONE. Because the UFC has most of the top talent, people consider the UFC champions to be the best in the world. However, the UFC champions cannot defend their titles against fighters from other companies. Four major world titles per weight class in boxing is comparable to what MMA has with the different companies. The boxing sanctioning bodies should try for unification if possible so there can be unified or undisputed world champions. It is happening more with women's boxing.

Perseus wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 13:36 So when are any or all of you going to become judges so your scorecards can become the official scorecards?

Contrary to popular delusion judges actually do not grow on trees.
They keep using the same judges because that's what is available to them.
There is not an unlimited number of judges to pick from which means it's not so easy to get rid of current judges.
It would be great if they got rid of judges after they turned in a few perplexing scorecards but before that can happen they need more available judges.

RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 20:17

Perseus wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 13:36 So when are any or all of you going to become judges so your scorecards can become the official scorecards?

Contrary to popular delusion judges actually do not grow on trees.
They keep using the same judges because that's what is available to them.
There is not an unlimited number of judges to pick from which means it's not so easy to get rid of current judges.
It would be great if they got rid of judges after they turned in a few perplexing scorecards but before that can happen they need more available judges.

I thought about it, but I'm not a spring chicken anymore. I can't start a new career. Judges may never get the opportunity to judge world title fights and so they just work the events in their state which means they would make less money. I think boxing has judges who are intentionally incompetent. In other words, they are biased and corrupt, although they are capable of scoring the fights correctly. They may feel pressure to score a fight a certain way in order to get more work in the future. I don't know if they are getting money under the table. Some of these judges will be biased for a particular boxer, but then they will work in other fights and score correctly.

The sanctioning bodies have control over who the judges are for their world title fights. It is not the athletic commission's decision. I believe that sometimes the sanctioning bodies will choose biased judges on purpose if they want a certain boxer to win. The companies in MMA own the rights to all their own fighters, so they only care about a fair outcome. I know that the UFC uses the judges from the commission working the event (even for UFC title fights) which is different than what the boxing sanctioning bodies do. Maybe that is what needs to change. If the boxing sanctioning bodies were required to use the judges from the athletic commission for the event instead of their own judges, then they would have less control over the outcome of their title fights.

RScarf1 wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 20:17

Perseus wrote: ↑08 Jan 2023, 13:36 So when are any or all of you going to become judges so your scorecards can become the official scorecards?

Contrary to popular delusion judges actually do not grow on trees.
They keep using the same judges because that's what is available to them.
There is not an unlimited number of judges to pick from which means it's not so easy to get rid of current judges.
It would be great if they got rid of judges after they turned in a few perplexing scorecards but before that can happen they need more available judges.

I thought about it, but I'm not a spring chicken anymore. I can't start a new career. Judges may never get the opportunity to judge world title fights and so they just work the events in their state which means they would make less money. I think boxing has judges who are intentionally incompetent. In other words, they are biased and corrupt, although they are capable of scoring the fights correctly. They may feel pressure to score a fight a certain way in order to get more work in the future. I don't know if they are getting money under the table. Some of these judges will be biased for a particular boxer, but then they will work in other fights and score correctly.

The sanctioning bodies have control over who the judges are for their world title fights. It is not the athletic commission's decision. I believe that sometimes the sanctioning bodies will choose biased judges on purpose if they want a certain boxer to win. The companies in MMA own the rights to all their own fighters, so they only care about a fair outcome. I know that the UFC uses the judges from the commission working the event (even for UFC title fights) which is different than what the boxing sanctioning bodies do. Maybe that is what needs to change. If the boxing sanctioning bodies were required to use the judges from the athletic commission for the event instead of their own judges, then they would have less control over the outcome of their title fights.