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Evander wrote: ↑14 May 2023, 01:59 Oh well, I've seen worse, you get use to it

What is a worse stoppage than that at 12 rounder level? (cant count english 6 rounders where they stop it the first clean punch because its a gross missmmatch that should of never been sanctioned and the refs dont wanna kill all the journymen)...

Im sure there are some. but being up rounds (suposidly), not hurt, opponent missing, you hitting.... and it wasnt even a crazy flurry... I cant think of a worse one of the top of my head.

that was after crediting a kd for an obvious pull/shove too

worst ive ever seen was ovil-enzo 1. especially considering ijl stepped in, looked over the totally fine enzo for a moment, and in that time couldve realized his mistake and let it go back on, but instead decided to call it off

but 'there have been worse' should never be used to defend a stoppage, cuz that will apply to everything but the single worst stoppage in the history of boxing

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑14 May 2023, 02:28 worst ive ever seen was ovil-enzo 1. especially considering ijl stepped in, looked over the totally fine enzo for a moment, and in that time couldve realized his mistake and let it go back on, but instead decided to call it off

but 'there have been worse' should never be used to defend a stoppage, cuz that will apply to everything but the single worst stoppage in the history of boxing

I think this was worse than that.

It was bad, but at least it was mid 1 way flurry, and a lot was getting through... its just he wasnt hurt and it wasnt sustained enough to warrent a stoppage...

This was 2 way action with nothing of note landing for rollo...

I like the fighting man's refs.
Not the paranoid types, worried about losing they're job reffing.
They don't stop the fights prematurely because """"They Care""" about the life of "the Boxer".
Lettuce be Reality.
They """" Care"""" about keeping they're job reffing.

I'd be a very solid old school type of Ref.
Yeah, I'd be called names like Weird and Wonky, and even Wacky.
Maybe Deranged and Perhaps Sadistic by those who should really watch Ballet or Golf instead of Boxing.
Steve Smoger, Mills Lane. I'd be in that sort of range, but I'd want further based dynamics pertaining to my individuality.
For example, I'd be very adamant about implementing standing 8 counts and no 3 knockdowns equals tko.
Just to point out, I'd be very keen on when I need to step in, whether I'm going to stop it, or implement a standing 8 count.
Benny Paret and Tommy Morrison come to mind pertaining to this specific point of reference.
Duk Koo Kim as well.

Evander wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 21:43 What's the worst decision you have ever seen Gilg ?

The question wasn't directed at me but I will offer an answer anyway.

How about the 1988 Olympic Games decision that knocked Roy Jones Jnr out of the tournament? It wasn't even a matter of opinion. He was just plain cheated.

It’s not so much the scale of individual decisions that concerns me, it’s the consistacy. Too undisputed fights this weekend, haney got a bit lucky and they tried as hard as they could to give it to Katie…

People say “you gotta BEAT the champ to be the champ” this is fvcking bullshit, you don’t start with a lead, bolt didn’t get to run 90 meters because “he was the champ. If you’re a judge and you can’t pick a round give a 10-10…. Don’t just guess or give it to the champ.

Not a single 10-10 in the Haney vs loma fight. I do not believe a single person in the world was confident scoring every one of those rounds one way or another, some of those rounds were a fornicating coin toss, so why not use a 10-10 which exists for a reason.

Crazy thing is one of those guessed rounds counts as much as a very dominant round…

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 21:55

Evander wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 21:43 What's the worst decision you have ever seen Gilg ?

The question wasn't directed at me but I will offer an answer anyway.

How about the 1988 Olympic Games decision that knocked Roy Jones Jnr out of the tournament? It wasn't even a matter of opinion. He was just plain cheated.

Mate, how about Holyfield in the previous Olympics?
https://scorum.com/en-us/boxing/@brando ... ympic-gold

KiwiRider wrote: ↑21 May 2023, 19:07

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 21:55

Evander wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 21:43 What's the worst decision you have ever seen Gilg ?

The question wasn't directed at me but I will offer an answer anyway.

How about the 1988 Olympic Games decision that knocked Roy Jones Jnr out of the tournament? It wasn't even a matter of opinion. He was just plain cheated.

Mate, how about Holyfield in the previous Olympics?
https://scorum.com/en-us/boxing/@brando ... ympic-gold

Good call. I read Holyfield's book not long ago and he certainly doesn't disagree with you.

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑21 May 2023, 19:45

KiwiRider wrote: ↑21 May 2023, 19:07

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 21:55

The question wasn't directed at me but I will offer an answer anyway.

How about the 1988 Olympic Games decision that knocked Roy Jones Jnr out of the tournament? It wasn't even a matter of opinion. He was just plain cheated.

Mate, how about Holyfield in the previous Olympics?
https://scorum.com/en-us/boxing/@brando ... ympic-gold

Good call. I read Holyfield's book not long ago and he certainly doesn't disagree with you.

love me Evander
And so you would have read about his fight with my countryman Kevin "bloodsucker" Barry. That was another Olympic robbery of Evander you can watch on YouTube.
Holyfield batters Barry around the ring until he is barely conscious, then loses

KiwiRider wrote: ↑21 May 2023, 20:13

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑21 May 2023, 19:45

KiwiRider wrote: ↑21 May 2023, 19:07

Mate, how about Holyfield in the previous Olympics?
https://scorum.com/en-us/boxing/@brando ... ympic-gold

Good call. I read Holyfield's book not long ago and he certainly doesn't disagree with you.

:lol: love me Evander ❤️
And so you would have read about his fight with my countryman Kevin "bloodsucker" Barry. That was another Olympic robbery of Evander you can watch on YouTube.
Holyfield batters Barry around the ring until he is barely conscious, then loses :doh:

Holyfield mentions the Barry fight in detail too. You should get the book. Well worth the read.

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑19 May 2023, 21:55

Evander wrote: ↑09 May 2023, 21:43 What's the worst decision you have ever seen Gilg ?

The question wasn't directed at me but I will offer an answer anyway.

How about the 1988 Olympic Games decision that knocked Roy Jones Jnr out of the tournament? It wasn't even a matter of opinion. He was just plain cheated.

How can we forget that one, an absolute travesty.

I noticed we had another sketchy judge on the weekend at the Chris Billam Smith v Lawrence Okolie fight.
Okolie was down three times in the fight, 4th 10th and 11th Rounds, as well as being deducted a point in each of rounds 5 and 7 for holding.
Judge Benjamin Rodriguez scored the bout a draw 112-112.

Does it ever end ?

Les Norton wrote: ↑14 May 2023, 00:23 Well, after what I just saw, I’d say Tony Weeks is doing terrible - should be banned for life if he can’t explain that disgraceful performance.
He lost all respect, integrity etc…
Hopefully the commission has more going for it and overrides this rubbish

Referee Tony Weeks Comments On Romero-Barroso Stoppage, Says Age of Barroso Played a Major Factor

In an interview conducted with Michael Woods of NY Fights, Weeks was asked to respond to widespread condemnation for the way he presided over the junior welterweight title bout between Rolando Romero and Ismael Barroso last month. Weeks infamously stopped the bout during the ninth round because he believed the 40-year-old Barroso was taking unnecessary punishment from Romero, who is 28 and is now the WBA 140-pound titlist.

“What was in my mind was, a 40 year old fighter, in a young man's game,” Tony Weeks told NY Fights. “Any official will tell you, you get a fight, and a fighter is at an advanced age, you're going to look at him a little harder than the other fighter…When I look at a fighter who's up there in age, there's two things I look at: his reaction when he takes his first hit, and his stamina in the later rounds.

“Up until the stoppage, Romero didn't really land flush, he landed flush in that last round. When he landed flush, Barroso went down. It told me right then and there, I don't know if he can take it.”

“Now, looking at it on the replay, of course I don't have at the time the advantage of slow motion replay, five different angles,” Weeks continued. “If I had been in that position I wouldn't have stopped the fight. Point blank I wouldn't have stopped the fight. Barroso was definitely on a short leash, Romero landed, it prompted me to stop the fight. In boxing, all it takes is one punch.”

“But he was hurt, definitely hurt, then I stopped it, there was no resistance to that,” Weeks said. “But again, if I was in a different position, to see punches didn't land, I wouldn't have stopped it at that time. However, a 40 year old man can't take a punch like a 20 year old. That's always going to be at the forefront of a referee's mind.”

“It's easy for someone on the outside (to speak on the decision), but they don't have the responsibility of what happens to that fighter,” Weeks said. “All the responsibility is on the referee. When you have that responsibility, you have a different mentality. And if there has been a fight that affected you (via a tragedy in the ring), that informs you (actions as a referee). I was devastated (from Leavander’s death). I actually wanted to quit. It took me a while, it took a minute.”

Ok then

If Weeks was so concerned about Barroso's age he shouldn't have accepted the job to referee him.

liar. he sure think's he came up with a slick explanation...

nobody is buyin his bullshit.

let's make it clear.

barroso wasn't hurt. one glancing shot and a shove into the ropes while romero was missing barroso with his other punches and barroso himself was landing the one clean, hard punch in that exchange.

weeks lost the plot and stopped that fight in a fit of anticipatory obedience at the worst possible moment.

In the decisions last night (that I saw) the refs got it right in all BUT the biggest fight of the night. Teo did not allow them to get away with it though.

Robert Tapper
118-109 Prograis
That's an absolute beaut

Evander wrote: ↑17 Jun 2023, 23:50 Robert Tapper
118-109 Prograis
That's an absolute beaut

lets not forget the 117 it is also an absolute shocker...

gregregegg wrote: ↑17 Jun 2023, 23:51

Evander wrote: ↑17 Jun 2023, 23:50 Robert Tapper
118-109 Prograis
That's an absolute beaut

lets not forget the 117 it is also an absolute shocker...

You're right

both cards for prograis were awful

the 8-4 card for aleem was bad too

I think the 117 and 8-4 don't touch 118-109.
That's why it's here.

Evander wrote: ↑07 Apr 2023, 03:14 Word on the street says there has been some off calls lately.
Early stoppages bad scorecards.
Anyone care to mention the fights ?

It is getting to the point of bad decisions and poorly officiated fights. Boxing is barely a sport anymore and these two groups are to blame.

pound per pound wrote: ↑22 Jun 2023, 14:35

Evander wrote: ↑07 Apr 2023, 03:14 Word on the street says there has been some off calls lately.
Early stoppages bad scorecards.
Anyone care to mention the fights ?

It is getting to the point of bad decisions and poorly officiated fights. Boxing is barely a sport anymore and these two groups are to blame.

Mmmmhmmm
I with you

I think it's what we make of it though to be honest.