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Counter-puncher wrote: ↑06 Jun 2023, 10:15

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑06 Jun 2023, 10:14 I think we should be unanimous and saying that Saudi Arabia has essentially ruined the heavyweight division.

it was in such hale and heart health previously, of course.

The division sucked bad enough with Hearn, Arum, Warren, etc throwing their weight around holding the fights for ransom at different times, but you gotta admit this makes things worse because everybody will figure they can just sit on their ass all year until they fight once in Saudi Arabia.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑06 Jun 2023, 10:20 everybody will figure they can just sit on their ass all year until they fight once in Saudi Arabia.

again, doesn't sound like much of a departure to me

Nightmare Roy wrote: ↑05 Jun 2023, 16:43

mickey1975 wrote: ↑05 Jun 2023, 16:03

stevec@france wrote: ↑05 Jun 2023, 14:20 DK is living on borrowed time until he gets nicked and shipped off to a max security holding pen in the us where he will have to suck all sorts just to stay alive .

I listened to a podcast saying he will be tipped off before they come and will probably end up in Iran.

100%

what a life for him living in that shithole

https://boxingzombie.uk/2023/06/05/june ... r-thought/

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑06 Jun 2023, 10:20

Counter-puncher wrote: ↑06 Jun 2023, 10:15

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑06 Jun 2023, 10:14 I think we should be unanimous and saying that Saudi Arabia has essentially ruined the heavyweight division.

:lol: it was in such hale and heart health previously, of course.

The division sucked bad enough with Hearn, Arum, Warren, etc throwing their weight around holding the fights for ransom at different times, but you gotta admit this makes things worse because everybody will figure they can just sit on their ass all year until they fight once in Saudi Arabia.

Gary Russell Jnr would loved working with the Saudis.

Usyk's manager says the Saudis will make Fury one offer to fight Usyk in December and one offer only, and he can "take it or leave it."

Plenty of bravado in that statement but I suspect Fury will only see that as a challenge to force them into further negotiation. As far as December goes, they probably need Fury more than he needs them and I suspect he will make them aware of that.

If the Saudis are the only way we get the required big fights at Heavyweight then I'm all for it.

Otherwise its a lit of big talk on social media followed by everyone avoiding each other and then being bogged down in meaningless fights.

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑06 Jun 2023, 23:08 Usyk's manager says the Saudis will make Fury one offer to fight Usyk in December and one offer only, and he can "take it or leave it."

Plenty of bravado in that statement but I suspect Fury will only see that as a challenge to force them into further negotiation. As far as December goes, they probably need Fury more than he needs them and I suspect he will make them aware of that.

What makes them (team Usyk) so sure that the Saudis won't offer other deals to Fury? It seems to me the Ukrainian's are now trying to hold a monopoly over the heavyweight division by saying essentially this: "We will never fight Fury unless it's now and this deal and in Saudi Arabia or never."

moogie101 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 02:01 If the Saudis are the only way we get the required big fights at Heavyweight then I'm all for it.

Otherwise its a lit of big talk on social media followed by everyone avoiding each other and then being bogged down in meaningless fights.

I'm not, not if it requires that boxing has to be bankrolled by known criminals.

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 10:37

moogie101 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 02:01 If the Saudis are the only way we get the required big fights at Heavyweight then I'm all for it.

Otherwise its a lit of big talk on social media followed by everyone avoiding each other and then being bogged down in meaningless fights.

I'm not, not if it requires that boxing has to be bankrolled by known criminals.

I'd say that's somewhat naïve considering the history of boxing 's links to crime.

moogie101 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 10:50

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 10:37

moogie101 wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 02:01 If the Saudis are the only way we get the required big fights at Heavyweight then I'm all for it.

Otherwise its a lit of big talk on social media followed by everyone avoiding each other and then being bogged down in meaningless fights.

I'm not, not if it requires that boxing has to be bankrolled by known criminals.

I'd say that's somewhat naïve considering the history of boxing 's links to crime.

I'm well aware of boxing's history thanks, especially the fact it was run by the mob in the US for many decades.

Does that mean we should just accept any level of corruption going?

We used to have serfdom too, I guess the people who wanted the right to vote were naive in wanting a better system?

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 08:09

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑06 Jun 2023, 23:08 Usyk's manager says the Saudis will make Fury one offer to fight Usyk in December and one offer only, and he can "take it or leave it."

Plenty of bravado in that statement but I suspect Fury will only see that as a challenge to force them into further negotiation. As far as December goes, they probably need Fury more than he needs them and I suspect he will make them aware of that.

What makes them (team Usyk) so sure that the Saudis won't offer other deals to Fury? It seems to me the Ukrainian's are now trying to hold a monopoly over the heavyweight division by saying essentially this: "We will never fight Fury unless it's now and this deal and in Saudi Arabia or never."

Behave yourself.

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 08:09

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑06 Jun 2023, 23:08 Usyk's manager says the Saudis will make Fury one offer to fight Usyk in December and one offer only, and he can "take it or leave it."

Plenty of bravado in that statement but I suspect Fury will only see that as a challenge to force them into further negotiation. As far as December goes, they probably need Fury more than he needs them and I suspect he will make them aware of that.

What makes them (team Usyk) so sure that the Saudis won't offer other deals to Fury? It seems to me the Ukrainian's are now trying to hold a monopoly over the heavyweight division by saying essentially this: "We will never fight Fury unless it's now and this deal and in Saudi Arabia or never."

It is hard not to get that sort of impression.

Have to wonder how hard also it will be to score a points victory over Usyk in Saudi, in December?

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 16:29

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 08:09

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑06 Jun 2023, 23:08 Usyk's manager says the Saudis will make Fury one offer to fight Usyk in December and one offer only, and he can "take it or leave it."

Plenty of bravado in that statement but I suspect Fury will only see that as a challenge to force them into further negotiation. As far as December goes, they probably need Fury more than he needs them and I suspect he will make them aware of that.

What makes them (team Usyk) so sure that the Saudis won't offer other deals to Fury? It seems to me the Ukrainian's are now trying to hold a monopoly over the heavyweight division by saying essentially this: "We will never fight Fury unless it's now and this deal and in Saudi Arabia or never."

It is hard not to get that sort of impression.

Have to wonder how hard also it will be to score a points victory over Usyk in Saudi, in December?

Why would that matter?
You don’t think a man who can bear any man born from his mother can stop a middleweight?

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 17:57

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 16:29

HomicideHenry wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 08:09

What makes them (team Usyk) so sure that the Saudis won't offer other deals to Fury? It seems to me the Ukrainian's are now trying to hold a monopoly over the heavyweight division by saying essentially this: "We will never fight Fury unless it's now and this deal and in Saudi Arabia or never."

It is hard not to get that sort of impression.

Have to wonder how hard also it will be to score a points victory over Usyk in Saudi, in December?

Why would that matter?
You don’t think a man who can bear any man born from his mother can stop a middleweight?

My point is he might have to stop Usyk to get the win and that is a lot of extra and unnecessary pressure.

Fury had the chance for home advantage with Wembley booked for April 29th, but decided to take a family holiday to Tenerife, a trip over to Saudi, not start a proper training camp, not get any suitable sparring partners in place, not have his trainer in place....he held all the aces but threw them away.
His fans excused it as Fury being smart, holding out for the mega bucks for a Saudi deal. The Saudi deal is apparently about to be presented to him. Don't complain, he had all the advantages but clearly didn't want that April 29th date at Wembley.

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 18:26

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 17:57

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 16:29

It is hard not to get that sort of impression.

Have to wonder how hard also it will be to score a points victory over Usyk in Saudi, in December?

Why would that matter?
You don’t think a man who can bear any man born from his mother can stop a middleweight?

My point is he might have to stop Usyk to get the win and that is a lot of extra and unnecessary pressure.

It so bizarre to me how quickly people who are supposedly boxing fans have forgotten all the bullshit from Tyson Fury, not only for years but very recently.

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 18:26

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 17:57

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 16:29

It is hard not to get that sort of impression.

Have to wonder how hard also it will be to score a points victory over Usyk in Saudi, in December?

Why would that matter?
You don’t think a man who can bear any man born from his mother can stop a middleweight?

My point is he might have to stop Usyk to get the win and that is a lot of extra and unnecessary pressure.

Still not seeing the issue?
Tyson Fury has said a million times how easy that will be, are you calling him a liar?

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 18:26

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 17:57

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 16:29

It is hard not to get that sort of impression.

Have to wonder how hard also it will be to score a points victory over Usyk in Saudi, in December?

Why would that matter?
You don’t think a man who can bear any man born from his mother can stop a middleweight?

My point is he might have to stop Usyk to get the win and that is a lot of extra and unnecessary pressure.

Oh my - the poor little lamb, however will he cope? Who would have thought that being a heavyweight boxing champion would have carried such a dreadful burden?

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑08 Jun 2023, 04:31

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 18:26

leejonesjnr wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 17:57

Why would that matter?
You don’t think a man who can bear any man born from his mother can stop a middleweight?

My point is he might have to stop Usyk to get the win and that is a lot of extra and unnecessary pressure.

Oh my - the poor little lamb, however will he cope? Who would have thought that being a heavyweight boxing champion would have carried such a dreadful burden?

It is truly a burden if you know unless you knock your opponent out you probably can't win. But as corrupt as that scenario is, many have faced it before.

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑08 Jun 2023, 04:50

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑08 Jun 2023, 04:31

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑07 Jun 2023, 18:26

My point is he might have to stop Usyk to get the win and that is a lot of extra and unnecessary pressure.

Oh my - the poor little lamb, however will he cope? Who would have thought that being a heavyweight boxing champion would have carried such a dreadful burden?

It is truly a burden if you know unless you knock your opponent out you probably can't win. But as corrupt as that scenario is, many have faced it before.

Oh do give over...

If anything the Saudis will want a win for Fury, as he is a bigger ticket seller, they will want other big fights, and Fury has bigger following.

Greed is the issue, not the Saudi's

Not for Fury though because he fights for free

Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑08 Jun 2023, 05:38 Greed is the issue, not the Saudi's

Not for Fury though because he fights for free

If it was upto Fury it wouldn't just be NHS workers getting in for free it would be all of us!

warren already trying to pre negotiate the offer from saudi by saying fury wants 150 mill - not sure if that is dollars or what tho as couldnt bear watchin the twat - got enuff ugly spawny eyed frogs in the pond .

So if the saudi take it or leave it falls short then they will have a ready made excuse to dip out .

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