Where do you see boxing going?

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coneye wrote: 09 Jun 2023, 21:19 Whilst little kids are pushing each other in the schoolyard , saying spit over that line , and a 100 other little kids are running towards them shouting , FIGHT , FIGHT , FIGHT , , IT WILL SURVIVE , . people fighting is a part of life, and that them there are facts
Damn right. I used to get such a buzz in school when fighting / watching a fight, no wonder I became a boxing fan. It just can’t be replicated by anything else, there’s nothing like it.
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Frostieballs wrote: 10 Jun 2023, 06:18 In my 20’s, I was more involved in the sport and people were saying then that boxing was dying. I’m nearly 50 now.

You could argue it’s bigger than ever. Dedicated channels, record PPV figures and record purses.

For the purist it isn’t as good. Remember those stacked cards of the nineties. UK support events featuring world champions before switching to the US for another stacked card. I’m getting giddy at the thought.

But in terms of mass media appeal it’s still up there. It might not be many people’s #1 sport over the course of a year, but nothing beats a big heavyweight title fight for excitement.

That is the jewel in the crown. Everyone suddenly becomes an expert and walks home throwing one-twos.
But what what heavyweight title fight at the moment get us excited, Fury Joshua has no real appeal to me now, Fury Usyk is the big one and honestly that really doesn't get me excited. I just don't see any star attractions like yester year
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1129162 wrote: 10 Jun 2023, 08:21
Frostieballs wrote: 10 Jun 2023, 06:18 In my 20’s, I was more involved in the sport and people were saying then that boxing was dying. I’m nearly 50 now.

You could argue it’s bigger than ever. Dedicated channels, record PPV figures and record purses.

For the purist it isn’t as good. Remember those stacked cards of the nineties. UK support events featuring world champions before switching to the US for another stacked card. I’m getting giddy at the thought.

But in terms of mass media appeal it’s still up there. It might not be many people’s #1 sport over the course of a year, but nothing beats a big heavyweight title fight for excitement.

That is the jewel in the crown. Everyone suddenly becomes an expert and walks home throwing one-twos.
But what what heavyweight title fight at the moment get us excited, Fury Joshua has no real appeal to me now, Fury Usyk is the big one and honestly that really doesn't get me excited. I just don't see any star attractions like yester year
Fury v Aj would dominate front and back pages like no other fight ever seen here before.
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mickey1975 wrote: 10 Jun 2023, 09:10
1129162 wrote: 10 Jun 2023, 08:21
Frostieballs wrote: 10 Jun 2023, 06:18 In my 20’s, I was more involved in the sport and people were saying then that boxing was dying. I’m nearly 50 now.

You could argue it’s bigger than ever. Dedicated channels, record PPV figures and record purses.

For the purist it isn’t as good. Remember those stacked cards of the nineties. UK support events featuring world champions before switching to the US for another stacked card. I’m getting giddy at the thought.

But in terms of mass media appeal it’s still up there. It might not be many people’s #1 sport over the course of a year, but nothing beats a big heavyweight title fight for excitement.

That is the jewel in the crown. Everyone suddenly becomes an expert and walks home throwing one-twos.
But what what heavyweight title fight at the moment get us excited, Fury Joshua has no real appeal to me now, Fury Usyk is the big one and honestly that really doesn't get me excited. I just don't see any star attractions like yester year
Fury v Aj would dominate front and back pages like no other fight ever seen here before.
I don't disagree but it's 2 years too late, would have been more interesting 2 years ago
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Not sure about everybody else but MMA in particular the UFC has overtaken Boxing for week in week out content. The best fighting the best every week, Champions never take a tune up fight they come across absolute killers looking to take their heads off. Boxing is a once in a blue moon event now.

I do fear MMA will wind up the same as its popularity grows. People will become free agents (see Ngannou) and whore themselves out to the highest bidder and robbing us of the best fights. Which is what Boxing has become
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People like to say that MMA has overtaken boxing and boxing can learn so much from MMA but that just isn't the case.
If MMA was now bigger than boxing, current top boxers would be calling out retired MMA competitors to get in the cage.
The audience is smaller, the money generated is smaller and really, one doesn't have to lose for the other to win, they are sort of similar but massively different, akin to saying who is a better racer, Usain Bolt or Lewis Hamilton?
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Gran Hermano wrote: 10 Jun 2023, 11:16 Not sure about everybody else but MMA in particular the UFC has overtaken Boxing for week in week out content. The best fighting the best every week, Champions never take a tune up fight they come across absolute killers looking to take their heads off. Boxing is a once in a blue moon event now.

I do fear MMA will wind up the same as its popularity grows. People will become free agents (see Ngannou) and whore themselves out to the highest bidder and robbing us of the best fights. Which is what Boxing has become
It’s tiny here on a pro and amateur scale.
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Used to be a huge fan. Only just found out Sam Eggington beat Joe Pigford.
Better off without it in my life.
Now a casual.
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Tonight's game changing DAZN card about sums it all up for me .
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Errol Spence & Terrence Crawford square off next month....boxing is still the best sport in the world :OhYes:
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mickey1975 wrote: 10 Jun 2023, 09:10
1129162 wrote: 10 Jun 2023, 08:21
Frostieballs wrote: 10 Jun 2023, 06:18 In my 20’s, I was more involved in the sport and people were saying then that boxing was dying. I’m nearly 50 now.

You could argue it’s bigger than ever. Dedicated channels, record PPV figures and record purses.

For the purist it isn’t as good. Remember those stacked cards of the nineties. UK support events featuring world champions before switching to the US for another stacked card. I’m getting giddy at the thought.

But in terms of mass media appeal it’s still up there. It might not be many people’s #1 sport over the course of a year, but nothing beats a big heavyweight title fight for excitement.

That is the jewel in the crown. Everyone suddenly becomes an expert and walks home throwing one-twos.
But what what heavyweight title fight at the moment get us excited, Fury Joshua has no real appeal to me now, Fury Usyk is the big one and honestly that really doesn't get me excited. I just don't see any star attractions like yester year
Fury v Aj would dominate front and back pages like no other fight ever seen here before.
Even more so if it have have happened when he should have. When they were both undefeated and they had all the belts between them. It probably would have resulted in a better fight then too because at that stage Joshua still had unshakable faith in his ability.
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The upper echelon to Saudi Arabia, the rest scraping a living.
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Redback Rasta wrote: 10 Jun 2023, 18:57
mickey1975 wrote: 10 Jun 2023, 09:10
1129162 wrote: 10 Jun 2023, 08:21

But what what heavyweight title fight at the moment get us excited, Fury Joshua has no real appeal to me now, Fury Usyk is the big one and honestly that really doesn't get me excited. I just don't see any star attractions like yester year
Fury v Aj would dominate front and back pages like no other fight ever seen here before.
Even more so if it have have happened when he should have. When they were both undefeated and they had all the belts between them. It probably would have resulted in a better fight then too because at that stage Joshua still had unshakable faith in his ability.
Agree ,,, its 2 years to late , still be big but would off been bigger
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coneye wrote: 10 Jun 2023, 21:49
Redback Rasta wrote: 10 Jun 2023, 18:57
mickey1975 wrote: 10 Jun 2023, 09:10
Fury v Aj would dominate front and back pages like no other fight ever seen here before.
Even more so if it have have happened when he should have. When they were both undefeated and they had all the belts between them. It probably would have resulted in a better fight then too because at that stage Joshua still had unshakable faith in his ability.
Agree ,,, its 2 years to late , still be big but would off been bigger
Just think Fury would toy with Joshua now. Whereas a couple/few years ago it may have been a pretty decent contest.
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I expect Joshua has at least 1 or 2 big wins still left if they get the matchmaking right. Wilder is still able to beat anyone.

Zhang and Ruiz are a handful for anyone. I expect Joyce to return much improved. I think the HWs just need to fight one another. That's really all it will take to light the sport up.
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Ezzard wrote: 11 Jun 2023, 08:41 I expect Joshua has at least 1 or 2 big wins still left if they get the matchmaking right. Wilder is still able to beat anyone.

Zhang and Ruiz are a handful for anyone. I expect Joyce to return much improved. I think the HWs just need to fight one another. That's really all it will take to light the sport up.
I think if they wanted to get it on between each other they would have done by now .
That ship has sailed I think.
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Ezzard wrote: 09 Jun 2023, 09:58 My son is 22. Like most lads his age he loves football. He just landed his first proper job as a football analyst. Sports mad.

He says amongst his friends boxing is the second most popular sport.
Link us to some of his work, I’ll follow and share!

You must be proud, I’d love it if one of mine ends up doing that line of work
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THEBUTCH wrote: 10 Jun 2023, 18:51 Errol Spence & Terrence Crawford square off next month....boxing is still the best sport in the world :OhYes:
I’ve said it many times before:

When boxing is good, it’s the best thing in da werld. Most of the time it’s shite tho.

We all have this type of conversation every year or so on this board and the wheels haven’t fell off yet. In fact, under increasing pressure from the UFC and indeed influencers (they’ve influenced it lol) we’ve seen improved and more entertaining matchmaking across every weight, promotion and country.

I was made up watching Taylor Lopez last night and I’m absolutely buzzing for Inoue Fulton. Garcia Tank was massive.

We’re all good, youse are just getting old I think
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Yesterday in the pub i watched it ,, they have 6 big tv's 4 on one wall 2 on another they had the Taylor fight on 3 and ufc on 3 , I would'nt have a clue who the ufc fights were think the headline was 2 women , Anyway after about 2 rnds of Taylor , the demand from everyone was turn off the UFC and put the fight on all of them ,, Its a new manager he said takings were well up with the fight , and expects a full house next week for Tim Tzyu.

Think really when the best will not fight everyones interest just subsides but when they do , everyone comes out the woodwork i know i do
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Delta Jay wrote: 11 Jun 2023, 16:53
Ezzard wrote: 09 Jun 2023, 09:58 My son is 22. Like most lads his age he loves football. He just landed his first proper job as a football analyst. Sports mad.

He says amongst his friends boxing is the second most popular sport.
Link us to some of his work, I’ll follow and share!

You must be proud, I’d love it if one of mine ends up doing that line of work
Thanks, mate. Super proud.

For years I've been saying to him playing FIFA all day and watching football all night is not going to help you in life, son. He showed me!

He doesn't start the job until August. He's finishing his Masters degree now.

The interview process was fierce. 4 rounds of interviews. He was asked to give a full detailed analysis of every Real Sociedad player at the club. A few weeks later he was asked to do the same thing for one of the top English women's teams.

In one session he was being quizzed on Saudi Arabia's third choice left-back. But what took the biscuit was being asked how he would go about assessing a team from the Faroe Islands. He said to me that the good thing was luckily he'd done this for fun about 6 months ago. I was impressed but a part of me thought... You're a nerd, son.

At least that 20 grand I must have spent on Match Attack cards finally paid off.
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Boxing fans put a lot of new kids off. They moan constantly. It was always better when they were a kid etc...

In the last 15 years UK boxing has been in a golden age.
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jamesmcdonnell wrote: 09 Jun 2023, 09:28 I see it becoming more and more niche, with a handful of big names reaping in the biggest slice from a smaller and smaller pie.
^
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Ezzard wrote: 12 Jun 2023, 08:55 Boxing fans put a lot of new kids off. They moan constantly. It was always better when they were a kid etc...

In the last 15 years UK boxing has been in a golden age.
Has it bolloxs. There are less shows, and less fighters now than there were 20 years ago.

There's a handful of big names across the sport making good coin, and the sports been carved up by a handful of promoters who have TV deals and have a strangehold on the sport.

The fact that Crawford and Spence getting it on is considered huge news, sums the sport up - they are both pretty near the end of their career and already past their primes.
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Ezzard wrote: 12 Jun 2023, 08:52
Delta Jay wrote: 11 Jun 2023, 16:53
Ezzard wrote: 09 Jun 2023, 09:58 My son is 22. Like most lads his age he loves football. He just landed his first proper job as a football analyst. Sports mad.

He says amongst his friends boxing is the second most popular sport.
Link us to some of his work, I’ll follow and share!

You must be proud, I’d love it if one of mine ends up doing that line of work
Thanks, mate. Super proud.

For years I've been saying to him playing FIFA all day and watching football all night is not going to help you in life, son. He showed me!

He doesn't start the job until August. He's finishing his Masters degree now.

The interview process was fierce. 4 rounds of interviews. He was asked to give a full detailed analysis of every Real Sociedad player at the club. A few weeks later he was asked to do the same thing for one of the top English women's teams.

In one session he was being quizzed on Saudi Arabia's third choice left-back. But what took the biscuit was being asked how he would go about assessing a team from the Faroe Islands. He said to me that the good thing was luckily he'd done this for fun about 6 months ago. I was impressed but a part of me thought... You're a nerd, son.

At least that 20 grand I must have spent on Match Attack cards finally paid off.
Good luck to him, that's a great profession to be in.
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Absolute nonsense! Spence v Crawford is a tumultuous matchup.

Pouring cold water on a fight between two incredible talents like these is merely a reflection of having a glass half-full approach.

The glass is full to the brim !

Crawford never looked better in KO'ing a solid "come to win" contender in David Avanesyan and after winning again & again and surviving severe car crashes, Spence appears to be made of steel.

Whether the fight lives up to expectations remains to be seen but this is a fight for the boxing trade, casual boxing fans and sports fans in general :yay:
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