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jameswilson wrote: ↑25 Sep 2023, 11:53

stevec@france wrote: ↑25 Sep 2023, 11:48 the problem is JJ thinks he can get a title shot ....

Not unreasonable to think he can get a mandatory shot at whoever is champ.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑25 Sep 2023, 13:54 Is he still under contract with Frank?

Joson wrote: ↑25 Sep 2023, 16:00 The problem isn't so much that he lost the rematch. It's more about the way he lost.

When Zhang turned up the heat in round two, Joyce was rocked and battered, and didn't have a viable "plan B." And then the brutal, one punch KO ending. That awful moment may define Joyce's entire career, at least as far as the public is concerned.

IMO, the only way Joyce regains good graces with his promoter and the TV honchos is if he can somehow rebuild his popularity with the public. Maybe he could accomplish that in the UK market if he impressively wins the European, British, and UK trinkets.

If UK fans are wildly enthusiastic about Joyce in the future, and he's on a decent winning streak, then a world champion or top contender could be enticed to come to London for a big money fight. That means he'd have regained the position he had before meeting Zhang.

I remember reading about Henry Cooper's career, including his back-to-back losses and brutal KO defeats to higher ranked boxers. But in spite of this, Cooper's popularity with the British fans was unlimited. Maybe Joyce can still achieve something like that.

Ruthless-RKO wrote: ↑24 Sep 2023, 17:51 Joe Joyce: “I Can Rebuild and Come Back, It Wasn’t a Grueling Fight”

"I'm going to [take] a bit of time and go on holiday before I reflect and review where I went wrong," ‘The Juggernaut’ said in an interview with iFL TV immediately after slipping to 15-2 with 14 quick finishes on Saturday night.

"I'm feeling good, I'm feeling okay and it's not the end of the world.

“I can rebuild and come back. After all, I’ve had harder, more challenging spars, it wasn’t a grueling fight.”

"I still feel fresh,” he continued, “and that I can do some more sparring and rounds.

“I’m feeling okay. I'll just have to lick my wounds and come back stronger, but I’ll probably have to go another route now.”

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑28 Sep 2023, 15:29 Shane Mcguigan one of the few sources of sense on this issue.

Joe lost to one person. Albeit twice. He got up but wasn't in a state to continue.

He can carry on and will do. The likes of Bellew saying he won't beat Wardley are nonsensical.

Coco wrote: ↑28 Sep 2023, 15:54

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑28 Sep 2023, 15:29 Shane Mcguigan one of the few sources of sense on this issue.

Joe lost to one person. Albeit twice. He got up but wasn't in a state to continue.

He can carry on and will do. The likes of Bellew saying he won't beat Wardley are nonsensical.

McGuigan is touting for work

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑03 Oct 2023, 04:21 Joyce really needs a knock-over next up and then revaluate.

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑04 Oct 2023, 03:03

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑03 Oct 2023, 04:21 Joyce really needs a knock-over next up and then revaluate.

In heavyweight boxing you’re only one win away from a big fight. Look at Jesse Ferguson. In fact you don’t even need a win sometimes, Andrew Golota had lost his last 2 before he got a shot against Lewis.

Chisora had one undeserved split decision win out of his last 4 with 3 losses and still fought Tyson Fury for the title.

Joe could easily get a big fight without a tune up, at his age he hasn’t time on his side. He certainly could get a big British fight against an up and comer or some lame fight against Chisora or Whyte (in Saudi lol)

Joe vs Dubois would be easily sellable despite, or possibly because of, both coming off losses…..losses to top world class fighters

Coco wrote: ↑28 Sep 2023, 15:54

SeanBrennan wrote: ↑28 Sep 2023, 15:29 Shane Mcguigan one of the few sources of sense on this issue.

Joe lost to one person. Albeit twice. He got up but wasn't in a state to continue.

He can carry on and will do. The likes of Bellew saying he won't beat Wardley are nonsensical.

McGuigan is touting for work

Frostieballs wrote: ↑04 Oct 2023, 03:36

JamesPhilips wrote: ↑04 Oct 2023, 03:03

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑03 Oct 2023, 04:21 Joyce really needs a knock-over next up and then revaluate.

In heavyweight boxing you’re only one win away from a big fight. Look at Jesse Ferguson. In fact you don’t even need a win sometimes, Andrew Golota had lost his last 2 before he got a shot against Lewis.

Chisora had one undeserved split decision win out of his last 4 with 3 losses and still fought Tyson Fury for the title.

Joe could easily get a big fight without a tune up, at his age he hasn’t time on his side. He certainly could get a big British fight against an up and comer or some lame fight against Chisora or Whyte (in Saudi lol)

Joe vs Dubois would be easily sellable despite, or possibly because of, both coming off losses…..losses to top world class fighters

I think it will be Chisora next as a ‘rebuild’.

Then Parker and Dubois rematches.

margaret thatcher wrote: ↑04 Oct 2023, 12:29 chisora vs joyce would be a slobberknocker, let's see it. dont need world elites for a good fight

jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑25 Sep 2023, 13:02 The problem for Joyce is that his aura of invincibilty is gone, and nobody seems more aware of that than Joyce himself.

He threw almost nothing against Zhang, he looked gunshy and ineffective - when you're chin's been cracked, and you no longer have confidence in it, and you have no head movement, and a porous defence, all I see in his future is some pretty bad beatings.

Of course there are guys he can still beat, but he's never going to be the same fighter after those two back to back losses, he could write off the 1st as bad luck because of the swelling, but that second one, he was outclassed and battered senseless.

I hope he's made enough money to quit, because he's a likable guy, and it would be sad to see his career end with several bad losses, and the potential damage to his health.