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Spud wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 08:07

jwfg wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 08:01 I really enjoyed the interview.

I was dissapointed with the interview.

Glass Joe wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 08:14

Spud wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 08:07

jwfg wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 08:01 I really enjoyed the interview.

I was dissapointed with the interview.

didnt take about groves split, spud or haye and if he was on stuff.

Spud wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 08:07

jwfg wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 08:01 I really enjoyed the interview.

I was dissapointed with the interview.

polecateddy wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 07:59

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 22:17 Larry Olubummo did a podcast interview with Tris Dixon recently and admits to taking performance enhancing drugs from his very first fight. That he is a qualified chemist was very helpful too.

Olubamiwo knows drugs and knows cheating and said these days if you take the right stuff, the right way, you really shouldn't be getting caught. He said the best approach is to use substances that your body naturally produces like EPO, testosterone and growth hormone.

Olubamiwo says testing authorities don’t test between 11pm and 6am, and that if you micro dose with EPO, testosterone and growth hormone after 11pm, by 6am it won’t be detectable in your system anymore.

Hello UKAD, are you reading this? That’s probably exactly what a lot of sportspeople are doing, not just in boxing. Guarantee you’d be fornicating up your body in the long term but perhaps you gain an edge.

a force wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 09:36 I’m not going to sit here & say one way or the other on whether Haye doped or not but he didn’t have a good gas tank, had a low punch output & he regularly got injured.

If he was on a doping program you would’ve expected him to recover better, be less injury prone & be able to fight at a higher pace.

He never actually put much bulk on either. My guess was he was doing a weight cut of at least a stone to make cruiserweight & I don’t think he ever weighed more than 230 even with long spells out of the ring. At the most he probably put a stone on which isn’t a lot for a fighter of that size over the course of his career.

Controversial wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 09:42

polecateddy wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 07:59

Redback Rasta wrote: ↑19 Oct 2023, 22:17 Larry Olubummo did a podcast interview with Tris Dixon recently and admits to taking performance enhancing drugs from his very first fight. That he is a qualified chemist was very helpful too.

Olubamiwo knows drugs and knows cheating and said these days if you take the right stuff, the right way, you really shouldn't be getting caught. He said the best approach is to use substances that your body naturally produces like EPO, testosterone and growth hormone.

Olubamiwo says testing authorities don’t test between 11pm and 6am, and that if you micro dose with EPO, testosterone and growth hormone after 11pm, by 6am it won’t be detectable in your system anymore.

Hello UKAD, are you reading this? That’s probably exactly what a lot of sportspeople are doing, not just in boxing. Guarantee you’d be fornicating up your body in the long term but perhaps you gain an edge.

With all the technology available these days with health apps, smart watches etc wouldn’t it be possible for the testing agencies to monitor a fighters blood 24/7 so it triggers when certain levels spike? Or it’s made compulsory that a fighter has to hook themselves up to a monitor every 8 hours and give readings. Not ideal I know but must be better than the current system where some fighters don’t even get tested.

Controversial wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 09:48

a force wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 09:36 I’m not going to sit here & say one way or the other on whether Haye doped or not but he didn’t have a good gas tank, had a low punch output & he regularly got injured.

If he was on a doping program you would’ve expected him to recover better, be less injury prone & be able to fight at a higher pace.

He never actually put much bulk on either. My guess was he was doing a weight cut of at least a stone to make cruiserweight & I don’t think he ever weighed more than 230 even with long spells out of the ring. At the most he probably put a stone on which isn’t a lot for a fighter of that size over the course of his career.

That’s what I think, he was always injured and as you say his output was never high. He’s not small either and genetically probably has an advantage over most people in terms of natural muscle mass and size.

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 10:32

Controversial wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 09:48

a force wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 09:36 I’m not going to sit here & say one way or the other on whether Haye doped or not but he didn’t have a good gas tank, had a low punch output & he regularly got injured.

If he was on a doping program you would’ve expected him to recover better, be less injury prone & be able to fight at a higher pace.

He never actually put much bulk on either. My guess was he was doing a weight cut of at least a stone to make cruiserweight & I don’t think he ever weighed more than 230 even with long spells out of the ring. At the most he probably put a stone on which isn’t a lot for a fighter of that size over the course of his career.

That’s what I think, he was always injured and as you say his output was never high. He’s not small either and genetically probably has an advantage over most people in terms of natural muscle mass and size.

The naivety of guys like you both has always been a major problem when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Coco wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 10:49 Haye seems a lot smaller now

jwfg wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 11:28

Coco wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 10:49 Haye seems a lot smaller now

When he was a heavyweight, he did go public that he was lighter between fights. I'm sure he listed his diet once, when he was a meat eater, and he was putting away a staggering amount of chicken.

Coco wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 11:30

jwfg wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 11:28

Coco wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 10:49 Haye seems a lot smaller now

When he was a heavyweight, he did go public that he was lighter between fights. I'm sure he listed his diet once, when he was a meat eater, and he was putting away a staggering amount of chicken.

And eggs?

TheLeprechaun wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 10:32

Controversial wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 09:48

a force wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 09:36 I’m not going to sit here & say one way or the other on whether Haye doped or not but he didn’t have a good gas tank, had a low punch output & he regularly got injured.

If he was on a doping program you would’ve expected him to recover better, be less injury prone & be able to fight at a higher pace.

He never actually put much bulk on either. My guess was he was doing a weight cut of at least a stone to make cruiserweight & I don’t think he ever weighed more than 230 even with long spells out of the ring. At the most he probably put a stone on which isn’t a lot for a fighter of that size over the course of his career.

That’s what I think, he was always injured and as you say his output was never high. He’s not small either and genetically probably has an advantage over most people in terms of natural muscle mass and size.

The naivety of guys like you both has always been a major problem when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Coco wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 10:49 Haye seems a lot smaller now

Spud wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 16:30 The injury problems especially for the Tyson Fury first scheduled fight was absolutely ridiculous, it is also my humble opinion the lack of sparring an training gave me no confidence at all that David would win the fight.

I was the only person allowed in Davids room and I always went to his room everytime he was due for training to escort him down to the Gym.I lost count the amount of times David was late for Training/sparring to the point Adam spoke to me and made me responsible to ensure David was
On time.

I tried to soften David by taking an espresso which he enjoyed, but, we were still late for virtually every session.

In that time before David got cut by Filip Hrgovic completing sparring was a nightmare …

In so many ways it was in my opinion it was a relief that the fight was cancelled.

It wasn’t until that supposed first fight that I became into the inner circle.

When it came to the supposed 2nd fight the injuries were a nightmare.

It was about that time that Adam wanted the first o Use his gym in purfleet more, again in my opinion that didnt prove popular or totally suitable for George.

In my opinion David Haye was a supremely talented boxer if were not for injuries could have achieved so much more.

As far as Adam Booth is concerned I think
He put up with a lot. I used to intensely dislike him but ended highly respecting him and liking him.

Spud wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 17:28 I would have love to have seen a prime Haye box a prime Uysk

big lennox wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 16:56..

Haye was a different beast from Fury. Had Haye been fighting these past few years, and in his prime, I have no doubt we would have seen him in with AJ and Uysk already. No messing about. Fury is talented but I wish he had the mettle of Haye.

BigDoofus wrote: ↑21 Oct 2023, 04:42

big lennox wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 16:56..

Haye was a different beast from Fury. Had Haye been fighting these past few years, and in his prime, I have no doubt we would have seen him in with AJ and Uysk already. No messing about. Fury is talented but I wish he had the mettle of Haye.

The Knitting Circle blaming Fury for Haye pulling out of 2 fights with Fury.
At least the Knitting Circle are consistent.

Spud wrote: ↑20 Oct 2023, 16:30 The injury problems especially for the Tyson Fury first scheduled fight was absolutely ridiculous, it is also my humble opinion the lack of sparring an training gave me no confidence at all that David would win the fight.

I was the only person allowed in Davids room and I always went to his room everytime he was due for training to escort him down to the Gym.I lost count the amount of times David was late for Training/sparring to the point Adam spoke to me and made me responsible to ensure David was
On time.

I tried to soften David by taking an espresso which he enjoyed, but, we were still late for virtually every session.

In that time before David got cut by Filip Hrgovic completing sparring was a nightmare …

In so many ways it was in my opinion it was a relief that the fight was cancelled.

It wasn’t until that supposed first fight that I became into the inner circle.

When it came to the supposed 2nd fight the injuries were a nightmare.

It was about that time that Adam wanted the first o Use his gym in purfleet more, again in my opinion that didnt prove popular or totally suitable for George.

In my opinion David Haye was a supremely talented boxer if were not for injuries could have achieved so much more.

As far as Adam Booth is concerned I think
He put up with a lot. I used to intensely dislike him but ended highly respecting him and liking him.

Twinkle Toes wrote: ↑21 Oct 2023, 06:55 Haye pulled out not once but twice against Fury, once with a cut and then with a shoulder injury. Despite the talk he never showed much appetite for the fight again.