jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑28 Feb 2024, 13:41
It's a shame he swerved the rematch with Vitali, the fight was definitely close enough to warrant it
What’s Lennox Lewis got to do with it?
Doofus, if you want people to stay on topic, why don't you tell us why Fury really ducked Price. Money? Risk vs reward?
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
Posted: 02 Mar 2024, 12:23
by si7dog7
And ducked the Wlad (not Vitaly) rematch
What the previous poster slipped up on.
Doubt we’’ll get a coherent answer.
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
Posted: 03 Mar 2024, 04:18
by coneye
Reason he ducked Price ,, Ermmm , lets see , thinking cap on , giving it lots of thought , took about 10 seconds of serious thinking and the answer is ,, Same reason he ducked the Klitcko rematch , he ducked AJ , and he ducked Usyk ,, he's had a very well thought out carreer
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
Posted: 03 Mar 2024, 05:59
by leejonesjnr
Fear.
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
Posted: 03 Mar 2024, 09:28
by The Gratest
Could well be.
John McD gave Fury all he could handle in their first fight, some saying he should have been given the nod.
Contrast that with Price smashing McD out in 90secs and....
Cue vacating of British title and obtaining a legal document to fight for the lesser regarded Irish title instead.
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
Posted: 03 Mar 2024, 12:01
by wrighty
There was a period where Price was the goods and looked devastating. He was rushed into the Thompson fight and it was all downhill.
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
Posted: 03 Mar 2024, 12:04
by tony1234
wrighty wrote: ↑03 Mar 2024, 12:01
There was a period where Price was the goods and looked devastating. He was rushed into the Thompson fight and it was all downhill.
Was for Frank Maloney, should never have done the rematch
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
wrighty wrote: ↑03 Mar 2024, 12:01
There was a period where Price was the goods and looked devastating. He was rushed into the Thompson fight and it was all downhill.
Was for Frank Maloney, should never have done the rematch
Yeah that was fornicating silly. Thompson was top 5 at the time
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
Posted: 03 Mar 2024, 22:44
by Grilling Machine
Yep, Price went from being feared to offering no upside. Makhmudov might be the current example.
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
Posted: 04 Mar 2024, 04:05
by coneye
Grilling Machine wrote: ↑03 Mar 2024, 22:44
Yep, Price went from being feared to offering no upside. Makhmudov might be the current example.
Price will probably be one he regrets ducking , in hindsight Price was probably never the bogey man they feared , but it will always be there he ducked ,, Goes to show a lot of his carreer really all about money first PRIDE SECOND
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
Posted: 04 Mar 2024, 06:13
by jamesmcdonnell
si7dog7 wrote: ↑02 Mar 2024, 12:23
And ducked the Wlad (not Vitaly) rematch
What the previous poster slipped up on.
Doubt we’’ll get a coherent answer.
Yeah odd, no idea why I typed Vitali instead of Wlad.
Of course, still remains the fact Fury showed zero appetite for a rematch with Wlad.
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
wrighty wrote: ↑03 Mar 2024, 12:01
There was a period where Price was the goods and looked devastating. He was rushed into the Thompson fight and it was all downhill.
Was for Frank Maloney, should never have done the rematch
I'm sure that Maloney didn't want the Thompson fight for Price.
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
wrighty wrote: ↑03 Mar 2024, 12:01
There was a period where Price was the goods and looked devastating. He was rushed into the Thompson fight and it was all downhill.
Was for Frank Maloney, should never have done the rematch
I'm sure that Maloney didn't want the Thompson fight for Price.
Maloney didn't want the rematch. He did his b*llocks backing Price. He bursts into tears in the post fight interview. Watch the last 10 seconds of this video. Sad scenes for Maloney.
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
Posted: 06 Mar 2024, 00:13
by tigermoth87
At the time Price looked a beast and Fury shat himself. Plain and simple.
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
Posted: 06 Mar 2024, 00:51
by Finkel
Crease wrote: ↑01 Mar 2024, 05:36
I think looking at Tyson's career in general, his supporters and critics both take things to the extremes...
His critics don't actually get him enough credit for defeating Wlad and Wilder (multiple times) away from home. You do have to say that they are outstanding achievements no matter how you dress it up. I even give him credit for accepting his mandatory (Whyte) and dispatching of him handily, then defeating Chisora... Granted he already beat him, but Del Boy was a ranked challenger and there wasn't many options at the time, when most were tied up in upcoming fights...
His supporters, even the strongest of them have to admit that there are some of them opponents who had no right being in the ring with Tyson - particularly Seferi and Schwarz... And i'd also probably throw in Wlad's old sparring partner, Pianeta - he had been done for years at the top level.
So yeah, a balanced approach is probably the best way to look at it. A top fighter with some great wins, but he also fought some very limited guys...
Minor point, but Chisora wasn't really a ranked challenger. His win over Pulev still had him outside the top 15. He was quietly nudged up the rankings into the WBC top 15 after Fury first showed interest in fighting him to get around their rules. (So he likely always planned to fight Chisora and not Joshua)
It was actually an active Kabayel who lost his place to Chisora. Kabayel who also had the beating of Chisora, I might add.
So Fury doesn't deserve credit for that fight. It was a soft touch (quick money grab) fighting a shop worn opponent in a dead rubber match. There were other options in that top 15 at the time.
I agree with you on Wlad and Wilder though.
But he ducked Price
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
Posted: 06 Mar 2024, 06:40
by Crease
Finkel wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 00:51Minor point, but Chisora wasn't really a ranked challenger. His win over Pulev still had him outside the top 15. He was quietly nudged up the rankings into the WBC top 15 after
I was talking about the BoxRec rankings - which people consider far more objective and any of the four title rankings, which are easily manipulated by sanctioning fees...
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
Finkel wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 00:51Minor point, but Chisora wasn't really a ranked challenger. His win over Pulev still had him outside the top 15. He was quietly nudged up the rankings into the WBC top 15 after
I was talking about the BoxRec rankings - which people consider far more objective and any of the four title rankings, which are easily manipulated by sanctioning fees...
Oh really? I'm surprised to hear that you were referring to them to be honest. Most boxing fans I have come across don't give them much thought as they are generally way off kilter. Current Scene has been running its own heavyweight rankings for years because of this (who did have in at #9 in fairness to you! )
Though I agree, Boxrec are kind of objective in the sense that it is an algorithm.
But, case in point, I don't think many (if any) would say 6th was a true reflection of Chisora's standing in the division. Neither TBRB or the Ring had ranked him for years. Chisora at that time was coming off three losses and one win against Pulev who himself had been plying his trade in Triad (non-)boxing events post Joshua.
So, again, Chisora wasn't really a "ranked" contender as most would interpret using one of the Ring, TBRB, or as I said before the WBC. So Fury doesn't really deserve credit for beating an even older version of a guy for a third time he already had the beating of in fights one and two.
But sure he was ranked by Boxrec, that is true.
p.s. I suspect they are manipulated by the influence of certain promoters, though. There have been a few fingers on the scales (algorithm) over the last few years that always seem to fall the same way. Maybe just a string of coincidences...
But Boxrec is great for record keeping!
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
Posted: 06 Mar 2024, 14:30
by ALI
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑28 Feb 2024, 14:11
If he's to redeem himself, at least a bit, he has to beat Usyk, and do it convincingly.
Agreed, and if he really wants to try and cement himself in history as a great champion, he has a long way to go still. He would need a win against Joshua next, then the winner of Zhang/Parker, and a win over a live upcoming contender like Hrgovic perhaps. Then i'll give him proper dues.
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
jamesmcdonnell wrote: ↑28 Feb 2024, 14:11
If he's to redeem himself, at least a bit, he has to beat Usyk, and do it convincingly.
Agreed, and if he really wants to try and cement himself in history as a great champion, he has a long way to go still. He would need a win against Joshua next, then the winner of Zhang/Parker, and a win over a live upcoming contender like Hrgovic perhaps. Then i'll give him proper dues.
I’ll go with this.
Beating an over the hill Wlad.
Chiz x 3
Wilder (banger but terrible boxer) x 3
And a Middleweight. ?
Nearly there
You are right. He needs to demolish AJ. Then Zhang/Parker.
Then credence where its due.
Re: What Was The Reason For Tyson Fury Ducking David Price?
Posted: 06 Mar 2024, 15:53
by Crease
Finkel wrote: ↑06 Mar 2024, 07:38But sure he was ranked by Boxrec, that is true.
I know, I can well remember. I'm not saying that the ranking system is perfect (everyone will have their own rankings, who is ahead of who - that sort of thing) but as long as the right candidates are up there in the mix, I don't have any major hangups about it.
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