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Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 04:51
by big lennox
It's a very good card, I think. The main event is unmissable and Hrgovic vs Dubois is a superb fight, too. I'm looking forward to this show.
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 04:55
by forcefraser
big lennox wrote: ↑19 Apr 2024, 04:51
It's a very good card, I think. The main event is unmissable and Hrgovic vs Dubois is a superb fight, too. I'm looking forward to this show.
Me too, can't wait. Can't decide on the main event. Head is telling me Bivol puts on a boxing masterclass (Usyk v Gaziev style) but the heart is saying huge noggin Artur beats him up gradually and stops him brutally in the later rounds
I can't get past what he did to Smith. He's stopped everyone. Bivol was poor against Richards and even Arthur, but looked amazing against Ramirez and Canelo
Common opponents? Smith Jr. Arthur comes out on top there
Who has the better resume? I'd say Arthur
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 05:04
by a force
I don’t think it’s just that the fights are evenly matched I think it’s more that the styles should really gel & we get exciting fights with most of these.
I can’t imagine Ball - Ford been anything other than great.
Hutchinson & Sheeraz are exciting fighters.
The 2 heavyweight scraps will be entertaining.
I haven’t bought into the whole Eddie v Frank thing. I suppose I want Frank to win but that’s just because he’s got the Brits. I’d love to see Dubois, Ball & Sheeraz all win.
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 09:49
by big lennox
forcefraser wrote: ↑19 Apr 2024, 04:55
big lennox wrote: ↑19 Apr 2024, 04:51
It's a very good card, I think. The main event is unmissable and Hrgovic vs Dubois is a superb fight, too. I'm looking forward to this show.
Me too, can't wait. Can't decide on the main event. Head is telling me Bivol puts on a boxing masterclass (Usyk v Gaziev style) but the heart is saying huge noggin Artur beats him up gradually and stops him brutally in the later rounds
I can't get past what he did to Smith. He's stopped everyone. Bivol was poor against Richards and even Arthur, but looked amazing against Ramirez and Canelo
Common opponents? Smith Jr. Arthur comes out on top there
Who has the better resume? I'd say Arthur
I agree. I'm a fan of both but I just think that Artur has a bit of GGG about him and is insanely tough, fit and very, very heavy handed; and will win by late rounds stoppage.
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 09:51
by big lennox
a force wrote: ↑19 Apr 2024, 05:04
I don’t think it’s just that the fights are evenly matched I think it’s more that the styles should really gel & we get exciting fights with most of these.
I can’t imagine Ball - Ford been anything other than great.
Hutchinson & Sheeraz are exciting fighters.
The 2 heavyweight scraps will be entertaining.
I haven’t bought into the whole Eddie v Frank thing. I suppose I want Frank to win but that’s just because he’s got the Brits. I’d love to see Dubois, Ball & Sheeraz all win.
I quite like the Matchroom vs Queensbury aspect. It is good natured and sporting and brings a bit of fun to proceedings. Far better than Haney vs Garcia with Haney's father saying he wants his son to kill his opponent and Garcia appearing not mentally well enough to be in the ring.
Definitely agree with your assessment about these being good scraps.
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 11:57
by jamesmcdonnell
forcefraser wrote: ↑19 Apr 2024, 04:55
big lennox wrote: ↑19 Apr 2024, 04:51
It's a very good card, I think. The main event is unmissable and Hrgovic vs Dubois is a superb fight, too. I'm looking forward to this show.
Me too, can't wait. Can't decide on the main event. Head is telling me Bivol puts on a boxing masterclass (Usyk v Gaziev style) but the heart is saying huge noggin Artur beats him up gradually and stops him brutally in the later rounds
I can't get past what he did to Smith. He's stopped everyone. Bivol was poor against Richards and even Arthur, but looked amazing against Ramirez and Canelo
Common opponents? Smith Jr. Arthur comes out on top there
Who has the better resume? I'd say Arthur
One thing is that both men, appear to be in absolutely incredible physical condition, and I think Bivol is a little tougher than given credit for.
I'm leaning toward Beterbiev, who just seems to have that relentlessness and also power.
It could be one of the best fights in many years.
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 12:32
by Kilburn
King’s 13/12/03 card had 8 world title fights on it, although not the most memorable night of boxing to be fair.
I think the 5v5 card is an absolute treat. Looking at the match ups I can’t see how it can fail to live up to expectations.
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 13:17
by cormack
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 13:38
by forcefraser
There is no whinging, just some perspective
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 13:43
by magnus
It's not about the size of the names - it's the fact that for once in boxing we have a card where the overwhelming majority of the winners aren't easy to pick.
I agree that Richards vs Hutchinson seems a bit out of place (fairly sure Hearn promised the best fighters in his stable in every division, but Callum Smith is absent), but it's still a decent, intriguing match.
I'm struggling to remember a card so hard to predict in my time watching the sport.
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 14:15
by The Docker
Yeah with you Steve. We've been saturated with boxing wank for nigh on age, finally get a decent spread and folk whinging what we could have won. Pitiful.
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 15:56
by Coco
The Docker wrote: ↑19 Apr 2024, 14:15
Yeah with you Steve. We've been saturated with boxing wank for nigh on age, finally get a decent spread and folk whinging what we could have won. Pitiful.
Great night of fights
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 16:11
by jwfg
forcefraser wrote: ↑18 Apr 2024, 05:50
This is a great card, no denying that, but is it being overated on the basis that it is simply much better than what we have become used to?
Hatman on YouTube did a video comparing this to the mighty Don King cards of the 90's. The line ups on those cards were incredible. 5 or 6 deep in world championship fights.
The 5 v 5 is good and a cracking main event, but it doesn't come close to some of those King cards
Which King card from the 90's was he talking about?
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 16:34
by SeanBrennan
forcefraser wrote: ↑19 Apr 2024, 04:22
SeanBrennan wrote: ↑18 Apr 2024, 18:59
forcefraser wrote: ↑18 Apr 2024, 05:50
This is a great card, no denying that, but is it being overated on the basis that it is simply much better than what we have become used to?
Hatman on YouTube did a video comparing this to the mighty Don King cards of the 90's. The line ups on those cards were incredible. 5 or 6 deep in world championship fights.
The 5 v 5 is good and a cracking main event, but it doesn't come close to some of those King cards
what were some of those cards Fraser? They were before my time mainly.
Here's one. All world title fights I believe
Julio Cesar Chavez C VS Frankie Randall II
G. McCellan vs Julian Jackson II
Azumah Nelson vs Jesse James Leija
Terry Norris vs Simon Brown
Ricardo Lopez 36-0 fought an undefeated Kermin Guardia at 21-0
Plus Meldrick Taylor
Chavez looking to avenge his first defeat after going 90 -0 or something similar
Jesus that is a bloody good card mate!!
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 16:58
by forcefraser
jwfg wrote: ↑19 Apr 2024, 16:11
forcefraser wrote: ↑18 Apr 2024, 05:50
This is a great card, no denying that, but is it being overated on the basis that it is simply much better than what we have become used to?
Hatman on YouTube did a video comparing this to the mighty Don King cards of the 90's. The line ups on those cards were incredible. 5 or 6 deep in world championship fights.
The 5 v 5 is good and a cracking main event, but it doesn't come close to some of those King cards
Which King card from the 90's was he talking about?
He went through about 4 or 5. All amazing cards
I'm going for a 6 fight accumulator for June 1st
Beterbiev
Zhang
Hrgovic
Ford
Sheeraz
Richards
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 17:02
by veriton
Not forgetting Warren used to put some stacked classics on, this is one of best cards I've ever been to back in 2000:
Joe Calzaghe v Richie Woodhall
Paul Ingle v Mbulelo Botile
Acelino Freitas v Daniel Alicea
Mauricio Martinez v Esham Pickering
Daniel Santos v Neil Sinclair
Bruce Scott v John Keeton
Ryan Rhodes also on there and an unbeaten American called Marlon Hayes who was given fits by OJ Abrahams.
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 17:04
by jwfg
forcefraser wrote: ↑19 Apr 2024, 16:58
jwfg wrote: ↑19 Apr 2024, 16:11
forcefraser wrote: ↑18 Apr 2024, 05:50
This is a great card, no denying that, but is it being overated on the basis that it is simply much better than what we have become used to?
Hatman on YouTube did a video comparing this to the mighty Don King cards of the 90's. The line ups on those cards were incredible. 5 or 6 deep in world championship fights.
The 5 v 5 is good and a cracking main event, but it doesn't come close to some of those King cards
Which King card from the 90's was he talking about?
He went through about 4 or 5. All amazing cards
I'm going for a 6 fight accumulator for June 1st
Beterbiev
Zhang
Hrgovic
Ford
Sheeraz
Richards
Most of the King cards had a lot of title fights, but were filled with 80-20s.
Please don't put on a 6 fight accumulator. You won't win.
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 17:07
by forcefraser
jwfg wrote: ↑19 Apr 2024, 17:04
forcefraser wrote: ↑19 Apr 2024, 16:58
jwfg wrote: ↑19 Apr 2024, 16:11
Which King card from the 90's was he talking about?
He went through about 4 or 5. All amazing cards
I'm going for a 6 fight accumulator for June 1st
Beterbiev
Zhang
Hrgovic
Ford
Sheeraz
Richards
Most of the King cards had a lot of title fights, but were filled with 80-20s.
Please don't put on a 6 fight accumulator. You won't win.
The only fights I'm not that confident of is the first 5. Richards is nailed on
I'm gonna clean those bookies out
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 17:12
by jwfg
forcefraser wrote: ↑19 Apr 2024, 17:07
jwfg wrote: ↑19 Apr 2024, 17:04
forcefraser wrote: ↑19 Apr 2024, 16:58
He went through about 4 or 5. All amazing cards
I'm going for a 6 fight accumulator for June 1st
Beterbiev
Zhang
Hrgovic
Ford
Sheeraz
Richards
Most of the King cards had a lot of title fights, but were filled with 80-20s.
Please don't put on a 6 fight accumulator. You won't win.
The only fights I'm not that confident of is the first 5. Richards is nailed on
I'm gonna clean those bookies out
Bet on them all individually, but please don't bet an acca.
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 19 Apr 2024, 17:14
by forcefraser
Just checked the odds. The two biggest favourites with the bookies are Hrgovic and Sheeraz.
Zhang and Ford also favourites.
The only level odds are Beterbiev and Bivol, both at 10/11
Richards is favourite but it's the 3rd closest odds of the six
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 20 Apr 2024, 05:11
by forcefraser
I did a deep dive into some of these fighters and have done a complete U Turn on Sheeraz v Williams
I initially thought Sheeraz's jab and power would get him a stoppage here, but I doubt that now.
I know he may have improved since the fight, but watch the Skeete fight again. Skeete is no world beater, but he does move well and has skills. He was clearly winning the fight against Sheeraz through his movement and jab until he was illegally stopped on his knees.
Williams is a step up from Skeete in terms of movement and athleticism and could box Sheeraz to a shutout here.
Sheeraz has no depth to his record and this is a huge step up for him, if Williams is as good as I think he may be.
I also watched Ford again in a few fights. Barring one very poor performance, he also looks a step ahead of Ball. His last fight was impressive. Ball is tough, but Ford either beats him clear on points or Ball's corner pull him out late on.
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 20 Apr 2024, 06:29
by Coco
forcefraser wrote: ↑20 Apr 2024, 05:11
I did a deep dive into some of these fighters and have done a complete U Turn on Sheeraz v Williams
I initially thought Sheeraz's jab and power would get him a stoppage here, but I doubt that now.
I know he may have improved since the fight, but watch the Skeete fight again. Skeete is no world beater, but he does move well and has skills. He was clearly winning the fight against Sheeraz through his movement and jab until he was illegally stopped on his knees.
Williams is a step up from Skeete in terms of movement and athleticism and could box Sheeraz to a shutout here.
Sheeraz has no depth to his record and this is a huge step up for him, if Williams is as good as I think he may be.
I also watched Ford again in a few fights. Barring one very poor performance, he also looks a step ahead of Ball. His last fight was impressive. Ball is tough, but Ford either beats him clear on points or Ball's corner pull him out late on.
I think the same about Sheeraz, Skeete schooled him
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 20 Apr 2024, 10:19
by rhino222
Coco wrote: ↑20 Apr 2024, 06:29
forcefraser wrote: ↑20 Apr 2024, 05:11
I did a deep dive into some of these fighters and have done a complete U Turn on Sheeraz v Williams
I initially thought Sheeraz's jab and power would get him a stoppage here, but I doubt that now.
I know he may have improved since the fight, but watch the Skeete fight again. Skeete is no world beater, but he does move well and has skills. He was clearly winning the fight against Sheeraz through his movement and jab until he was illegally stopped on his knees.
Williams is a step up from Skeete in terms of movement and athleticism and could box Sheeraz to a shutout here.
Sheeraz has no depth to his record and this is a huge step up for him, if Williams is as good as I think he may be.
I also watched Ford again in a few fights. Barring one very poor performance, he also looks a step ahead of Ball. His last fight was impressive. Ball is tough, but Ford either beats him clear on points or Ball's corner pull him out late on.
I think the same about Sheeraz, Skeete schooled him
Yes, that was a BBBofC robbery that one.
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 20 Apr 2024, 14:33
by SeanBrennan
he did, tbf Skeete turned down the rematch
Re: 5 v 5 card. Over rated?
Posted: 20 Apr 2024, 14:49
by jwfg
forcefraser wrote: ↑19 Apr 2024, 17:14
Just checked the odds. The two biggest favourites with the bookies are Hrgovic and Sheeraz.
Zhang and Ford also favourites.
The only level odds are Beterbiev and Bivol, both at 10/11
Richards is favourite but it's the 3rd closest odds of the six
Ford's really tight at the weight, so that's enough for me not to bet a penny on that fight.
