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Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 02 May 2024, 16:46
by SeanBrennan
Delta Jay wrote: ↑02 May 2024, 16:18
SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 May 2024, 16:15
it is a sadly fitting end to the whole saga. I don't think many are surprised at all.
END?!
Sorry, scene 1.
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 03 May 2024, 02:18
by Ezzard
You can't say the things he said and not expect there to be comeback.
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 03 May 2024, 03:42
by rob h
I now feel vindicated in my dislike for him.
A very good fighter, but his attitude stinks.
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 03 May 2024, 04:34
by cormack
Stobbo wrote: ↑02 May 2024, 11:33
stevec@france wrote: ↑02 May 2024, 11:16
Controversial wrote: ↑02 May 2024, 04:33
If true that he failed before the fight then why was it allowed to go ahead?
72 hours to process
I don't doubt this is true, but what's the point of day before testing if it won't prevent an illegal athlete stepping into the ring
its what vada agrees with the fighters - nobody wants to risk the payday
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 03 May 2024, 04:37
by cormack
Delta Jay wrote: ↑02 May 2024, 16:18
SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 May 2024, 16:15
it is a sadly fitting end to the whole saga. I don't think many are surprised at all.
END?!
nope this is the beginning .
B sample
Denials
Lawyers
Then the NY commission will suspend him whilst its investigated .
And a long ban .
fight result annuled .
Purse clawback
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 03 May 2024, 05:00
by margaret thatcher
Ezzard wrote: ↑03 May 2024, 02:18
You can't say the things he said and not expect there to be comeback.
ya mean they faked the positive tests because he called out the nwo globalists? or something else
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 03 May 2024, 05:05
by Roars Like Me
So Conor is 'disgusted' by all this. Thou protest too much old bean...
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 03 May 2024, 05:15
by Gran Hermano
Controversial wrote: ↑02 May 2024, 04:33
If true that he failed before the fight then why was it allowed to go ahead?
The same reason it was allowed to go ahead despite how evidently unwell Garcia was before the fight
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 03 May 2024, 07:27
by Stevieaber
stevec@france wrote: ↑03 May 2024, 04:37
Delta Jay wrote: ↑02 May 2024, 16:18
SeanBrennan wrote: ↑02 May 2024, 16:15
it is a sadly fitting end to the whole saga. I don't think many are surprised at all.
END?!
nope this is the beginning .
B sample
Denials
Lawyers
Then the NY commission will suspend him whilst its investigated .
And a long ban .
fight result annuled .
Purse clawback
As America is the land of the court case would the bookies be able to sue for bets they paid out on?
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 03 May 2024, 09:35
by cormack
Stevieaber wrote: ↑03 May 2024, 07:27
stevec@france wrote: ↑03 May 2024, 04:37
nope this is the beginning .
B sample
Denials
Lawyers
Then the NY commission will suspend him whilst its investigated .
And a long ban .
fight result annuled .
Purse clawback
As America is the land of the court case would the bookies be able to sue for bets they paid out on?
Jeezus the plot thickens by the hour !
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 03 May 2024, 15:48
by jameswilson
Just watching Hearn's IFL interview from the last few days. He says the New York commision are the best for dealing with these things in his experience and it reminded me that when Joe Cusumano tested positive on one of his shows after beating Adam Kownacki they contacted Matchroom and said we've been alerted about the positive test, we're now investigating and dealing with it.
I checked Cusumano's record and sure enough the NYSAC changed the result to a no contest a few weeks back.
It may well take another 6-9 months for the result to change but I'd guess unless he gets the positive test overturned this will be a no contest.
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 03 May 2024, 16:26
by SeanBrennan
jameswilson wrote: ↑03 May 2024, 15:48
Just watching Hearn's IFL interview from the last few days. He says the New York commision are the best for dealing with these things in his experience and it reminded me that when Joe Cusumano tested positive on one of his shows after beating Adam Kownacki they contacted Matchroom and said we've been alerted about the positive test, we're now investigating and dealing with it.
I checked Cusumano's record and sure enough the NYSAC changed the result to a no contest a few weeks back.
It may well take another 6-9 months for the result to change but I'd guess unless he gets the positive test overturned this will be a no contest.
did not know that thanks for posting that James.
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 04 May 2024, 01:08
by Nightmare Roy
He got unlucky getting caught, let's be honest I'd say at least 70% of would champions are at it.
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 04 May 2024, 01:41
by coneye
You know if you swear all the time it loses its meaning , and this is whats happenning , so many are getting caught and recieving minimal bans , fines ect ect . its all lost its meaning ,
Not until they start giving mandatory bans no if buts or maybees , but BIG BANS , plus all purses held in Escrow until the boxers have been cleared , , then if it comes out like this has , Purse confiscated , half payed to the other fighter who was cheated on half too whoever , and put it in the contract don't sign the contract don't fight , , unless the penelty fits the crime its always going to be worh a gamble , just make sure its not worth the gamble
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 04 May 2024, 01:55
by tonyevs
We've seen with Benn, Canelo and Fury how those at the top of the sport can pretty much get away with blatant illegal PED use.
Sadly it's no surprise Garcia has popped for this - it wouldn't be surprised if Haney had too.
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 04 May 2024, 06:05
by Ezzard
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑03 May 2024, 05:00
Ezzard wrote: ↑03 May 2024, 02:18
You can't say the things he said and not expect there to be comeback.
ya mean they faked the positive tests because he called out the nwo globalists? or something else
Because they're all on PEDs (not just boxers) and someone decides who to drop the dime on and who not to.
VADA or WADA or FUCKADA is just another layer of corruption.
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 04 May 2024, 06:48
by JamesPhilips
Ezzard wrote: ↑04 May 2024, 06:05
margaret thatcher wrote: ↑03 May 2024, 05:00
Ezzard wrote: ↑03 May 2024, 02:18
You can't say the things he said and not expect there to be comeback.
ya mean they faked the positive tests because he called out the nwo globalists? or something else
Because they're all on PEDs (not just boxers) and someone decides who to drop the dime on and who not to.
VADA or WADA or FUCKADA is just another layer of corruption.
Someone knows
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 04 May 2024, 07:51
by Controversial
The system is a joke, fighters sign up for testing and then when they fail just scream it's wrong or a stitch up.
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 06 May 2024, 10:39
by Frostieballs
Controversial wrote: ↑04 May 2024, 07:51
The system is a joke, fighters sign up for testing and then when they fail just scream it's wrong or a stitch up.
It’s partly our fault, because we keep watching proven cheats….
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 06 May 2024, 11:41
by Controversial
Frostieballs wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 10:39
Controversial wrote: ↑04 May 2024, 07:51
The system is a joke, fighters sign up for testing and then when they fail just scream it's wrong or a stitch up.
It’s partly our fault, because we keep watching proven cheats….
Yes but that's only because they get away with it and can carry on fighting. Lets see how the Garcia thing pans out but I imagine he will get away with it as he is a big money spinner. What I didn't realise was the drug he failed for (ostarine) is apparently found in some supplements and not listed on the label. So people can potentially consume these and not realise however there are other brands that are deemed safe for fighters so there's no excuse for top fighters to use other types of supplements.
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 06 May 2024, 14:20
by si7dog7
If this is true it’s scumbag behaviour.
Coming in over weight and “ef it, I’ll pay a fine”
Haney should have refused to go ahead. Laudable he didn’t in terms of bravery. In the grand scheme of things maybe a little naive.
This whole thing stinks and the mist being layered over this by RG’’s vitriol is even worse.
Sport not in a good place.
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 07 May 2024, 11:44
by coneye
Controversial wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 11:41
Frostieballs wrote: ↑06 May 2024, 10:39
Controversial wrote: ↑04 May 2024, 07:51
The system is a joke, fighters sign up for testing and then when they fail just scream it's wrong or a stitch up.
It’s partly our fault, because we keep watching proven cheats….
Yes but that's only because they get away with it and can carry on fighting. Lets see how the Garcia thing pans out but I imagine he will get away with it as he is a big money spinner. What I didn't realise was the drug he failed for (ostarine) is apparently found in some supplements and not listed on the label. So people can potentially consume these and not realise however there are other brands that are deemed safe for fighters so there's no excuse for top fighters to use other types of supplements.
Few years ago i had a couple of ameteurs represent there country , institute of sport gave them a list , well actually more like a book , on banned stuff , what they can and can't eat ,, jeez they drove me mad , ringing me to ask can i eat ths can i eat that , the stuff that banned substances were in was large , point being these guys were ameteurs , They were not pro's being paid MILLIONS , there profesional fighters they should know and if they don't they should FIND OUT , no excuses
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 07 May 2024, 12:45
by jameswilson
I think the big mistake was Haney not enforcing something weight related onto Garcia. He was obviously up against it money wise losing 1.5million or so (allegedly) Haney could probably have said look we'll make it 1million but you have to weigh in right now stripped to your kegs and weigh in no heavier in 3 hours time stripped to your kegs, or set a weight limit for 9am the following morning. Eddie Hearn said when he saw how big Garcia was across the ring he thought they were up against it.
Ultimately even with the peds and the weight Garcia wasn't miles and miles ahead of Haney come the final bell, had he been a few lbs lighter and more tired as a result of the weight this would have likely got Haney over the line and we'd be talking about a loser having lost with the peds.
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 07 May 2024, 16:59
by KiwiRider
Maybe Haney thought he could still take Garcia even with the extra weight?
It's a lot of money for him to fight, and add the extra 1.5mil from Garcia.
It would be hard to turn down if a guy has the overwhelming confidence to win. Leading up to the fight a firm majority of boxing experts said Haney was the favourite.
Maybe he would have won if Garcia was just heavy, and not roided up the wazoo and back?
All the claimed advantages the drugs he was popped for were things he exhibited in the fight.
Re: Ryan Garcia allegedly fails PED test
Posted: 07 May 2024, 18:20
by SeanBrennan
KiwiRider wrote: ↑07 May 2024, 16:59
Maybe Haney thought he could still take Garcia even with the extra weight?
It's a lot of money for him to fight, and add the extra 1.5mil from Garcia.
It would be hard to turn down if a guy has the overwhelming confidence to win. Leading up to the fight a firm majority of boxing experts said Haney was the favourite.
Maybe he would have won if Garcia was just heavy, and not roided up the wazoo and back?
All the claimed advantages the drugs he was popped for were things he exhibited in the fight.
excellent points. If it looks like PEDS and pops like PEDS, it is very likely PEDS.
